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Dave Brookshaw posted:I get paid around 1c / word when Developing, 6c / word when writing, so I typically try to write things like introductions (which are often repurposed and reedited from design bibles - fun factoid, there. It's not plagarism if you wrote it your drat self for that same book, but it *would* be if a freelancer spat my own bible back at me) and the inevitable core Storytelling system myself. 1c per word when doing arguably the hardest part...what the hell
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Octavo posted:1c per word when doing arguably the hardest part...what the hell For the whole book. A CofD corebook is about 230,000 words. Most modern CofD sourcebooks are about 110,000. And then you get paid writer rate to write the bits of the draft you actually write. But still, as I say to people at my day job who ask why I don't go full time, I would make more money being the drummer in a pub band.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:For the whole book. A CofD corebook is about 230,000 words. Most modern CofD sourcebooks are about 110,000. And it's worth noting that while that 230,000 is $2,300, you also have to put in a few months' work for it, and you really have zero say in when you get paid. Sometimes it's upwards of five years after you actually do the work. When I started, it was about 9 months at most (there were a lot of "book as baby" jokes.) That wasn't great, but at least it was reliable if you staggered enough contracts.
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The well known rapist has effectively admitted that it was him who privately messaged about Evil Hat & Green Ronin. Has gone on to show that we can add him to the Ty Beard hall of fame of people who don't understand defamation laws in the US.
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PST posted:The well known rapist has effectively admitted that it was him who privately messaged about Evil Hat & Green Ronin. Where at?
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TK_Nyarlathotep posted:Where at? Twitter, on his 'i hit it with my axe' account. He's also been attacking Mikan again. https://twitter.com/IHitItWithMyAxe/status/1177943090385960966
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Sep 28, 2019 22:03
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He's literally just jumping into threads asking people to sign affidavits to back up random tweets. It's unhinged and pathetic.
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Sep 28, 2019 22:11
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Zurui posted:He's literally just jumping into threads asking people to sign affidavits to back up random tweets. It's unhinged and pathetic. Yeah, I'll totally sign an affidavit that Zak S is a big loving loser, gimme a goddamned pen.
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Sep 28, 2019 22:17
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Lumbermouth posted:Yeah, I'll totally sign an affidavit that Zak S is a big loving loser, gimme a goddamned pen. Yeah I found this poo poo shortly after posting, and I would totally sign a legal document about what a feeb he is.
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Sep 28, 2019 22:47
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I’ll happily sign an affidavit that states under pain of perjury that Zak S shat his pants at Chik-fil-A on the last day of GenCon 2017
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So has Zak given up tweeting from his personal account in the hope that some people won't know it's him/think from the twitter avatar that it's a woman tweeting at them, or is he just trying to cling to the feeble remnants of his ultimate progressive shield?
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Sep 28, 2019 23:49
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I think he's convinced this will all blow over at some point.
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Sep 28, 2019 23:51
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Also: Kickstarter apparently responded to the accusations that they're anti union with "Yes. Now gently caress off." https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1178005656865034240
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Kurieg posted:Also: Kickstarter apparently responded to the accusations that they're anti union with "Yes. Now gently caress off." Should it be Scabstarter or Kickstarter, going forwards?
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Kurieg posted:Also: Kickstarter apparently responded to the accusations that they're anti union with "Yes. Now gently caress off." If you actually read the CEOs response, the reporter is dramatizing quite heavily. I'm still not backing anything because lol, gently caress capital
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Sep 29, 2019 00:36
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Looks like I'm done backing things on Kickstarter. It was a good run, but this is some bullshit.
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Kwyndig posted:Looks like I'm done backing things on Kickstarter. It was a good run, but this is some bullshit. Disappointing.
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Unoriginal Name posted:If you actually read the CEOs response, the reporter is dramatizing quite heavily. I mean the CEO literally says in his letter that they aren't going to voluntarily recognize any sort of union and that “the union framework is inherently adversarial[...]We believe that in many ways it would set us back, and that the us vs. them binary already has.” Of course he isn't going to come right out and say "gently caress off, losers" in plain language but it's not too hard to read between the lines here.
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Sep 29, 2019 01:02
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Unoriginal Name posted:If you actually read the CEOs response, the reporter is dramatizing quite heavily. "Managers can't take part in organizing a union because that's against the law" and "the unions framework is inherently adversarial" are some real bullshit directly from the Kickstarter response, and "they were fired for performance" looks like an obvious lie going by multiple sources inside the company.
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I've dropped my only open pledge down to $1 and plan to keep any future backing at this level and handle things in e.g. backerkit or getting pdfs when they release.
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I am planning to wait on the union's response, since last time they, uh, explicitly said not to boycott because doing so wouldn't hurt Kickstarter.
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unions are supposed to be inherently adversarial and that's a good thing
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Serf posted:unions are supposed to be inherently adversarial and that's a good thing Unions are inherently adversarial because the interests of workers and capital are inherently opposed.
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Why can't we stick with a non-adversarial system where you generate value and I take most of it?!
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Pope Guilty posted:Why can't we stick with a non-adversarial system where you generate value and I take most of it?! I thought this forum was done playing Dungeons and Dragons.
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canyoneer posted:It's a race to the bottom in pricing the product. It's unsurprising that they pay the writers like crap too. I got straight up told 4 dollars was asking "way too much" for an illustrated 14 page supplement book I sell on drivethrurpg. It's nuts how little value is placed on the work.
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Lurdiak posted:I got straight up told 4 dollars was asking "way too much" for an illustrated 14 page supplement book I sell on drivethrurpg. It's nuts how little value is placed on the work. Well yeah, they can get a 280 page pdf for $10 so obviously your 14 pages is only worth $0.50. That's simple math. 
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Lurdiak posted:I got straight up told 4 dollars was asking "way too much" for an illustrated 14 page supplement book I sell on drivethrurpg. It's nuts how little value is placed on the work. People really resent the idea of paying for labour. 
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Jimbozig posted:Well yeah, they can get a 280 page pdf for $10 so obviously your 14 pages is only worth $0.50. That's simple math. Hey, we don't know the illustration:words. Lurdiak might be asking for as much as $4 per word, which I would agree might be too high depending on the word.
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Speaking of industry pay rates, the Sigmata guy has weighed in on the issue...by taking the bold and unprecedented stance that change is too hard so might as well not bother. https://twitter.com/Papa_Shell/status/1177738185775996936
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I'm pretty pessimistic about the whole thing, and definitely agree that the consumer base at large will be no help if not an active hindrance, but if you think you need a "million dollar business plan" to raise standard rates to ~10 cents you're a loving idiot. I'm sure, if some real unionizing went on, we'd all miss the neverending stream of shovelware spewing out of Pathfinder 3PP at rates in the <1c range. But that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. EDIT: Like, yeah dude, I am outright telling you you shouldn't be able to run an actual real adult business venture and pay people next to nothing to act as your employees. Sorry if your dreams are dashed because your hot take game that smashed it on Kickstarter can't be published for double the already tiny budget poo poo gets done for in RPGs. If it's "just friends doing hobbies" maybe act like it instead of having an actual marketing campaign and poo poo. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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It's not even like other creators haven't been able to run successful crowdfunding projects where "give the creators a pay raise" or proper budgeting even outside of stretch goals were worked into the project from the ground up. I can't imagine trying to present myself as some sort of amazingly talented force for social awareness and consistently having such dogshit garbage takes.
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Kai Tave posted:Speaking of industry pay rates, the Sigmata guy has weighed in on the issue...by taking the bold and unprecedented stance that change is too hard so might as well not bother. That dude is a bad take machine. Have you looked at his next game? It's about eco-fascism.
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Unoriginal Name posted:I'm still not backing anything because lol, gently caress capital Yes. Union all the way.
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Liquid Communism posted:That dude is a bad take machine. Have you looked at his next game? It's about eco-fascism. Link please? Also do you mean, like, the real threat of a 'we can only save ourselves, the earth is too far gone' armed lifeboat argument from the rich and powerful? Or do you mean 'evil fascists using Greta Thurnberg as their mascot to conquer the world.'
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Joe Slowboat posted:Link please?
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As far as I can tell, the guy's next game is called Reclaimers and it's about a bunch of Musk-like rich people trying to build space arks to go colonize Mars and escape an ecologically devastated earth, loving the earth up even more in the process, so you have to go kill them before they succeed. Fighting against the, as Joe Slowboat puts it, "armed lifeboat" contingent could make for an interesting premise for a game but it's being written by this dipshit so I have basically no real hope that the end result will be anything to write home about.
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That Old Tree posted:I'm pretty pessimistic about the whole thing, and definitely agree that the consumer base at large will be no help if not an active hindrance, but if you think you need a "million dollar business plan" to raise standard rates to ~10 cents you're a loving idiot. He was operating on how much a kickstarter would cost if he was paying himself 59 cents per word: https://twitter.com/Papa_Shell/status/1177737686750289921 And yes, that is a fairly high price to pay.... but I'm not getting where that number came from or who thinks it should be the industry average?
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Nuns with Guns posted:He was operating on how much a kickstarter would cost if he was paying himself 59 cents per word:
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Nuns with Guns posted:He was operating on how much a kickstarter would cost if he was paying himself 59 cents per word: Dude's a dumbfuck with zero idea of how anything works, as one might have guessed by reading Sigmata.
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