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diego is better realized as a complete character in general. dio is fine enough and there's enough to grab on to but he wouldn't work in a lot of scenarios while diego's more rounded and has more for people to understand why he is the way he is.
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It was kinda nice that he actually felt hesitant about killing Johnny. He was also useful to Diego in that fight, but him actually being disturbed about possibly killing Johnny was interesting. Shame about that feeling not being mutual, tho
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Sep 27, 2019 22:25
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Diego isn't Determined and hey, one of them is still alive so
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BaDandy posted:It was kinda nice that he actually felt hesitant about killing Johnny. He was also useful to Diego in that fight, but him actually being disturbed about possibly killing Johnny was interesting. Johnny being 100% bout that action is a nice contrast to his original universe counterpart
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Sep 28, 2019 02:31
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Johnny was absolutely ready to throw hands at Diego before the whole dinosaur thing and it just got worse.
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Also, because this is something never actually mentioned, Lucy currently has been bequeathed a Stand by Jesus: Ticket to Ride. It was the thing that let her turn her tears into shivs, is the reason her escape from being MADE DOCILE LIKE A WINTER CATFISH went so perfectly, and is the divine intervention that saved the message she left on that piece of fabric. It also covers her in robot armor because sure, why not. Love Train is basically Ticket to Ride and D4C fusing their powers into "nothing bad crosses this line".
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So going into the final week, just out of interest do we still have any first timers reading along? At this point I get the impression it's all manga thread vets still reading, any thoughts or perspectives from otherwise?
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I'm a first timer but I got impatient and read it all so I didn't want to accidentally post spoilers
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i actually dunno how many new people got into it but at least we went through with it, i guess 
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Sep 28, 2019 20:57
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First timer here. It owns.
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multijoe posted:So going into the final week, just out of interest do we still have any first timers reading along? At this point I get the impression it's all manga thread vets still reading, any thoughts or perspectives from otherwise? i'm a first timer!!! unfortunately i am very critical of the whole thing so far! i think it's one of my least favorite parts in all of jojo  i feel wrong saying that in the face of the universal praise for this section. I really thought I would like it more. I think it comes down to not liking johnny's participation? He really comes off as the second banana to Gyro, even more dramatically than giorno ever did in part 5. His stand is kinda neat but super boring too? It hasnt felt like he's been very heroic or effective so far and i guess i kinda am looking for that from a jojo? I know the story's meta thing is about how he's making a big comeback, but it feels like his progression has been too slow for my liking. Joseph is my favorite jojo for a lot of reasons and many of them come down to his brashness and comedic timing. he goes around flexin and making poo poo happen. Johnny's just kinda a plus one where things happen to him more than he is making things happen in the world. The art is spectacular, and several fights have been memorable, especially the diego fights, so i'm still satisfied, but not on the level of most of you. I really dislike the race being left behind as a focus, and im not really a fan of the whole collect a corpse idea, nor how its used with poor lucy. i hate to be such a sourpuss
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As a fellow person who hates being a negative voice, I get you. My thoughts on the whole 2nd half of D4C and Love Train are "Love the concept, hate the execution". If it helps, I do think this very final week is fan-loving-tastic, so maybe you'll like that more?
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Sep 28, 2019 22:29
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Sep 28, 2019 22:43
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It's very normal to think of Gyro as more of the protagonist, that's a pretty common opinion. It's one I've help until the re-read now, too. Johnny's growth is more subtle than Gyro's, and he doesn't quite take the spotlight from him as much as he turns it from the race to the corpse part hunt. My personal complaint that I don't think I'll ever truly look past, is that for the amount of emphasis that Araki initially put on the horse part of the horse race, the horses themselves are never really given much attention. The most we got was being told that Johnny picking an older workhorse was a good idea for a long-term endurance race and a bit with Diego being able to figure out other horses' ticks and fancies. Other than that and the occasional "we shouldn't tire the horses" the manga never really pays them any atention.
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I like Johnny’s “trying to get to zero” monologue. It’s a nice bit of characterization, showing how he sees the world and his place in it
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I really love how compelling all the characters are in this part. Rereading it has made me like Diego more than DIO.
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i definitely don't want it to ever come off like someone is weird or wrong for just not jiving with the part as much as others might. one of the main things i think sells it to me is how tightly-connected it all ends up being, and of course part of that is the entire ending sequence, the rest of which technically hasn't 'come up' yet in the thread. even after everyone reading that i still won't expect people to magically think it's one of their favorite parts independent of whatever they were thinking before. like i personally think it's cool as gently caress (barring the segments i've noted before which i just seriously wish weren't there, which i tend to lump in with poo poo like 'baby face' in part 5 and like, actually, 50%+ of anything that involves a woman in the series) but at the end of the day every part is notably different and there's pros and cons to all of them which is why people tend to favor some higher than others naturally.
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Sep 29, 2019 03:01
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ok the last 3 volumes have silenced all of my criticisms holy gently caress it stuck the landing so well
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All hail Lucy Steel.
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e: jumped the gun on spoiler discussion!
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Sep 29, 2019 11:32
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(Jumped the gun, apparently)
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Sep 29, 2019 12:10
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do keep in mind that officially the last week's chunk of stuff isn't legal to talk about yet
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This isn't part of the final volumes, but I really appreciate that Valentine still gets shocked and angered when he finds out things don't go according to plan or if the heroes put one over him. I can't help but compare him to the villain of the previous part, who overused the "Ah! But the thing you just did actually furthered my goals! I'm totally not owned" thing and just really annoyed me.
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It's Monday! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2IecLNcDCA
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first time reader, will have more to say later, but it was drat satisfying seeing Tusk finally deploy the Joestar-ORA ORA on the president https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7zEL9mtMw
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Saving the classic JoJo punch rush for the very end is wonderful, and I love Tusk's baby voice
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goodbye...gyro...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8jvFxW3Pf0 Hey, Johnny...Johnny! This way... If it's like this...then I'm fine with it. So...stay healthy...
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Now that we've reached the end I feel it's worth posting this as something that could point toward the possibility of Steel Ball Run being animated.multijoe posted:Johnny ain't in that opening montage He is in spirit 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhJCbyjl5gA
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Sep 30, 2019 17:47
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CHUMIMIIIIN! 
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the return of ZA WARUDO is interesting in that it’s such a different dynamic from part 3 even if there’s some of the same beats; e.g. Alt-Diego being shocked that Tusk Act 4 can move within stopped time but then adjusting and ultimately beating Johnny
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Electric Phantasm posted:CHUMIMIIIIN! CHUMIMIIIIIN!!! 
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Crusader posted:the return of ZA WARUDO is interesting in that it’s such a different dynamic from part 3 even if there’s some of the same beats; e.g. Alt-Diego being shocked that Tusk Act 4 can move within stopped time but then adjusting and ultimately beating Johnny
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Crusader posted:the return of ZA WARUDO is interesting in that it’s such a different dynamic from part 3 even if there’s some of the same beats; e.g. Alt-Diego being shocked that Tusk Act 4 can move within stopped time but then adjusting and ultimately beating Johnny There was a really great take on this from multijoe in the old manga thread. multijoe posted:I think AU Diego actually works really well into the story. The main theme that drives the protagonists and antagonists in SBR is 'determination' and how far you're willing to go for your beliefs. The Steel Ball Run is this social-darwinist trial by fire which purges the weak and leaves those driven by some burning compulsion, with the prize being the power of god. Gyro from the start has a flaw in his resolution as he's primarily driven by being a nice guy, having entered to save a little boy's life and all. He tries being an edgy anti-hero through the True Man's World, and it sticks for a while, but he ultimately reverts to his true nature as a more moderate and fundamentally decent person than the others around his. This lack of conviction in an incredibly high-stakes winner takes all situation is finally symbolised by the flaw in his ball preventing him from delivering the fatal blow to Valentine in their duel. multijoe posted:Continuing on those themes, it makes the differences between Diego and AU Diego interesting. Diego is established as having at least for a while having been raised by his mother and has been exposed to compassion and human decency from a young age, this filters down into his personality as an adult where it's clear he never has the same singleminded drive to rule over others, even his big dreams are owning his own island and being a rich guy, even his sexual assualt of a woman is downright mild comapred to DIO and AU Diego's causal references to rape and his Stand is just a copy of an ability of another forced onto him - he never develops into the burning purpose or disregard for others to manifest The World, which symbolised DIO's will to utterly dominate the world. AU Diego's sharing his Stand with the original DIO suggests his psychology is much closer to his namesake, as does his threat of rape to Lucy, on the other hand I like to think Diego wouldn't have even killed Hot Pants if their plan to assassinate Valentine had gone to plan, you can actually see the faint glimmers of humanity in his actions.
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yeah it's interesting to consider what events did or didn't happen to allow the alt diego to develop his 'own' stand, but the existence of it implies something was VERY different in how things played out. i'm also of the mind that maybe the base diego would have been content at the end of it all without needing to dominate others, but we'll never know.
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also people point out that johnny figures out what diego's doing a lot sooner than the crew in part 3 but you have to consider that they'd already run up against mandom, which if nothing else probably gave off a similar sense of displacement and unease which he picked up on
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Johnny Joestar posted:also people point out that johnny figures out what diego's doing a lot sooner than the crew in part 3 but you have to consider that they'd already run up against mandom, which if nothing else probably gave off a similar sense of displacement and unease which he picked up on I had the same thought but I guess it also doesn’t take tooo much less time for Johnny to get a handle on what’s happening - I mean the crusaders experienced it only a handful of times before catching on... and they were also operating from a positioned of panicked mystery that Johnny didn’t have. Crusader fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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If Johnny could figure out what the gently caress was happening during D4C while almost bleeding to death, then figuring out that time is stopping would be cake.
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