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Slugworth posted:The rich filing for bankruptcy is a tax scheme, not admitting defeat . these were corporate bankruptcies and those are more about creditors not taxes
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I'll never stop being amused by the right's Rambo fantasies and 2A fetishizement (if that's a word). Like Bubba and his buddies are going to hunker down and fend off the most powerful military the world has ever seen with just their AR-15s or whatever the gently caress. see: Finicum, Lavoy the dumbfuck literally told police to shoot him, tried to pull a weapon, and then was shot - a pattern that would likely reoccur for all of these old white fucks
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Open hypothetical question: if right now Trump offered to resign under the condition that he gets fully pardoned by Pence AND no state charges are filed would you take it? depends on if we can imprison every single underling or if they also get pardons
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Open hypothetical question: if right now Trump offered to resign under the condition that he gets fully pardoned by Pence AND no state charges are filed would you take it? I'm gonna go against the grain and say yes. I think Trump needs to face justice, but I think that we need him gone more. It would fracture the Republican party, and would be significantly worse for then than Nixon; they'd have to acknowledge his crimes and turn against him, and that would bring them into direct conflict with the hard-core trumpers.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Open hypothetical question: if right now Trump offered to resign under the condition that he gets fully pardoned by Pence AND no state charges are filed would you take it? Absolutely not. If he had just done the Ukraine stuff, maybe. But he is literally calling for civil war and he opened child concentration camps. There has to be an actual reckoning for that.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Yeah, but he went down for the Bush family like a low level enforcer goes down for the mafia. Same poo poo really. That guy does his time and becomes a made man. Serving a crime family faithfully and well comes with privileges. And you don't think this is exactly how the chuds would treat Trump? Sending him to jail won't destroy him. Take his money and his empire. Make it so that he has nothing to leave those shitfuck kids of his. Trump's whole identity is tied up in being rich and powerful; if you take that away from him it will hurt him far more.
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bird cooch posted:What in the hell is wrong with you? you asked a question, friend. it got answered. to turn it back around on you, did you not have issue with Obama's decision that doing those grotesque things, which where a matter of record, because the people involved very much enjoyed their work, was less worthy of punishment than sharing the name of someone doing it? because i have an issue with it. do you.
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evilweasel posted:he repeatedly filed for bankruptcy so at some point there's apparently something that makes him throw in the towel but i dunno if resignation is that analogous to a bankruptcy filing When he's talked about his bad outcomes in the courts and his amazingly terrible business career he tells it like all those things came out in his favor. Everything is basically Pee Wee Herman going I Meant To Do That. If it's left up to him he will never resign.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Also if I were the Dems in a hypothetical sweep of congress and the presidency, I would make it a major goal to fix all the weaknesses in the system Trump exploited, so they could never be used again. the overwhelming majority cannot be fixed without significant constitutional reform
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Sending him to jail won't destroy him. Take his money and his empire. Make it so that he has nothing to leave those shitfuck kids of his. Trump's whole identity is tied up in being rich and powerful; if you take that away from him it will hurt him far more. Trump's life is entirely built around absurd bodily luxury. My man wouldn't last a week in minimum security.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:It would fracture the Republican party, and would be significantly worse for then than Nixon; they'd have to acknowledge his crimes and turn against him, and that would bring them into direct conflict with the hard-core trumpers. I don't see a problem here. Let the republicans eat each other alive. Let the party collapse. It's been a rump party for ages and only sustains itself through hatred, fear, lies, voter suppression and election fraud. They don't even pretend to stand for anything anymore other than white supremacy and authoritarianism. Fritz Coldcockin posted:And you don't think this is exactly how the chuds would treat Trump? I can get behind this, yeah. And I'd hope that it would spark conversations about white collar crime and reform in that vein that we desperately need.
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I love that people think they can hunker down with their AR-15s. The government would first do buybacks and if they did come for your weapon forcefully they would just arrest you as you go to work, not while you are at home with your guns. The idea of a gun-collection SWAT team busting down doors in Texas is a fantasy. It would lead to violence even in the most normal of times.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Also if I were the Dems in a hypothetical sweep of congress and the presidency, I would make it a major goal to fix all the weaknesses in the system Trump exploited, so they could never be used again. That has to be the #1 priority the next time the Dems hold control over the Presidency and both houses of Congress (if they ever win the Senate again.) The one thing Trump has taught us is how fragile the honor system is, and that there needs to be clear definitions and specific limitations on Presidential powers.
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evilweasel posted:the overwhelming majority cannot be fixed without significant constitutional reform I know, that is where my hypothetical sweep comes in
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Trump's life is entirely built around absurd bodily luxury. My man wouldn't last a week in minimum security. Absolute worst case scenario for Trump is house arrest. He would never see the inside of a jail cell or facility.
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Sep 30, 2019 18:42
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1178690086763782145 I know it was several millennia ago, but remember that there was literally nothing behind the Benghazi scandal. The idea that Clinton did anything at all wrong was entirely invented by the GOP so they could own the news cycle with endless investigations. They're completely fine with just making things up from whole cloth.
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Slugworth posted:The rich filing for bankruptcy is a tax scheme, not admitting defeat . At the end of his bankruptcies he had lost so much of his personal money his creditors put him on an allowance. The only reason they didn't completely clean him out was they decided he was worth more financially alive than dead.
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Rudy is divorced from three wives and one reality.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:That has to be the #1 priority the next time the Dems hold control over the Presidency and both houses of Congress (if they ever win the Senate again.) The one thing Trump has taught us is how fragile the honor system is, and that there needs to be clear definitions and specific limitations on Presidential powers. that's the thing, though: it runs completely counter to the Senate and House members' individual aims. it is a huge pain in the rear end, and potentially reelection-prospect-damaging, to actually have to vote on doing things. it is much easier to relinquish power to the executive when it's on your side and stonewall it when it's not. what's the compelling personal reason for Thad Raytheon NOT to hand over the keys on everything but budgetary allocations to the President?
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nachos posted:No punishment of trump is complete without banning him from twitter A nearly complete shadow ban would be the most effective punishment IMO. Going from tens of thousands of likes and responses to like three or four would destroy him.
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nachos posted:No punishment of trump is complete without banning him from twitter Jack would sooner die then let that happen.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I know, that is where my hypothetical sweep comes in Constitutional reform requires 3/4 of states, so good loving luck with that
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Jack would sooner die then let that happen. i am not seeing the downside here
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Ague Proof posted:Rudy is divorced from three wives and one reality. Reality is the Winner here. No, not that one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner
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Shifty Pony posted:There's also an insane intra-party power struggle going on in the Texas GOP. The tea party nut jobs that a lot of these useless congressional reps owe their job to is on the way out and for reasons nobody can figure out the moderate speaker of the TX House was conspiring with the far right nut to knife some fellow GOP members. The US House reps' campaigning support structures are probably fractured right now. I posted this in the middle east thread a while back, but it's pertinent here Herstory Begins Now posted:Jingoistic bullshit became profoundly unpopular and was seen as the lowest kind of crass low class poo poo towards the end of the Bush years. The election of Barack super allah obama in a wave election was a good example of how utterly discredited that poo poo was. Trump and the MAGA poo poo really regrew as it's own new thing (in the sense of being a political movement, as a cultural thing racism certainly never went away) out of right wing opposition to Obama. Trump making GBS threads all over establishment Rs in the primary was drawing on the contempt and disregard people still felt for all the dumb poo poo centrist Rs did in the 2000s Basically, a lot of the resignations and internal R maneuvering is related to the split between the centrist Rs and the far-right. Relatedly, just because the far right poo poo was wildly ascendant for the last few years does not mean that all the centrist types just magically disappeared or changed what they believe. No one knows exactly how many there are nor how they will actually act, but unquestionably a lot of washington Rs have been holding their noses so long as Trump is still beneficial for them. One of the interesting things about the divide between the two factions is that Trump was one of the most prominent conspiracy far-righters of the last decade, if not maybe the most prominent period. Trump's election was basically the end result of the conspiracy-right being paradoxically the least discredited branch of the republican party left and they eventually largely subsumed the tea party types, too. We're likely on the verge of another big republican realignment
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Nah, worst case scenario is sticking him in Trump Tower under house arrest, then rename the street Barack H. Obama Avenue, then repossess Trump Tower and charge him market rent for his penthouse.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:you asked a question, friend. it got answered. Look person, I just asked a question. I was unaware of people that went through the whistleblower program under Obama, and I asked for some names so that I could read up on them. You seem to be having an argument with nobody, so I don't know what your issue is. Take a deep breath.
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On the dumb civil war thing I think many of you are severely under estimating the amount of damage even a bunch of middle aged, non-veteran (though I suspect there would be plenty of veterans in their ranks), insurgents could do to the United States if there was enough of them. On the other hand nobody is going to die for Trump. Nobody goes to the streets/woods unless they feel they have nothing to lose. The overwhelming amount of trump voters may be crazy rear end in a top hat bigots but at the end of the day they got mortgages to pay and kids/grandkids to shame/embarrass. Trump being perp walked out of the Whitehouse (oh glorious day!) wouldn't cost them any of that.
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Slugworth posted:The rich filing for bankruptcy is a tax scheme, not admitting defeat . corporate bankruptcies aren't really about taxes. a corporate bankruptcy is about reallocating the capital structure of the debtors - usually (but not always) wiping out existing shareholders and making creditors convert their debt into equity.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Absolute worst case scenario for Trump is house arrest. He would never see the inside of a jail cell or facility. What makes you say that house arrest would be the worst he'd see?
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I know, that is where my hypothetical sweep comes in sadly a sweep doesn't get you there, you pretty much need the collapse of the republican party with no replacement for a decade or so
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FINALLY https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1178728482467172353
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I'll never stop being amused by the right's Rambo fantasies and 2A fetishizement (if that's a word). Like Bubba and his buddies are going to hunker down and fend off the most powerful military the world has ever seen with just their AR-15s or whatever the gently caress. If you picture Cletus and his pals trying to take on the US military head on its absurd. But the danger is when the shitheads actually do find themselves with sympathisers in law enforcement and authority.
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Numlock posted:On the other hand nobody is going to die for Trump. this is massively incorrect.
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Numlock posted:On the dumb civil war thing I think many of you are severely under estimating the amount of damage even a bunch of middle aged, non-veteran (though I suspect there would be plenty of veterans in their ranks), insurgents could do to the United States if there was enough of them. If there were enough of them, yes. But they'd have to organize and form a leadership structure. There would be different visions and goals and the group would fracture into smaller sub-groups. The only way it would be successful is if it had some sort of unified force holding it together like the Confederacy had.
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hidden_msg posted:What makes you say that house arrest would be the worst he'd see? If this comes off as dickish, I apologize, but in what scenario do you see a former President of the United States in a corrections facility?
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Slowpoke! posted:Nah, worst case scenario is sticking him in Trump Tower under house arrest, then rename the street Barack H. Obama Avenue, then repossess Trump Tower and charge him market rent for his penthouse. This only works if you base market rent on what he charged the government. Also, Mar-a-Lago needs to be turned into the single best refuge center in the country.
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