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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Interesting

https://twitter.com/cristianafarias/status/1178817660680839169

https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1178809270982369281

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Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

ewiley posted:

the writers are getting lazy this season, recycling old characters to fill time until the season finale.

It’s like the series finale of a long running show. All the old characters show up one last time (for dumb reasons) so you can see things turned out ok for them after the actor left to be a movie star.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Rigel posted:

Its not the DA. Its a US Attorney, appointed by and serving at the pleasure of Trump, announcing he will help Trump to oppose the DA.

Fwiw, federal prosecutors have historically been called DAs, USADAs, and other names same/similar to district attorneys. They’re also the actual DA for Washington DC

US attorney and AUSA is the most common name now tho

For future reference purposes

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Ham posted:

Mifsud is a real person that was involved with the Russia stuff from the start. Reportedly he was the go between with George Papadopoulos.

NYT: Joseph Mifsud, Key to Russia Inquiry, Gets Moment in the Spotlight


He disappeared afterwards and it turned out he's now living under an assumed identity in Rome. Republicans have been setting off conspiracy theories about him fuelled by his disappearance, basically arguing he's a plant by the US intelligence community.

The fact that Barr, Pomepeo and now Gorka are loving around in Rome in the middle of this poo poo storm is likely an attempt to employ this as a way to extinguish the drive for impeachment if they can convince people the origin of the Russia investigation was through the previous administration.

That seems like a bit of a long shot, obviously the base will "believe" anything they say in the sense that they're just waiting to hear what the thing they're supposed to pretend they believe any time it's brought up is, but other than that type of person, nobody is gonna buy that.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Ham posted:

Mifsud is a real person that was involved with the Russia stuff from the start. Reportedly he was the go between with George Papadopoulos.

NYT: Joseph Mifsud, Key to Russia Inquiry, Gets Moment in the Spotlight


He disappeared afterwards and it turned out he's now living under an assumed identity in Rome. Republicans have been setting off conspiracy theories about him fuelled by his disappearance, basically arguing he's a plant by the US intelligence community.

The fact that Barr, Pomepeo and now Gorka are loving around in Rome in the middle of this poo poo storm is likely an attempt to employ this as a way to extinguish the drive for impeachment if they can convince people the origin of the Russia investigation was through the previous administration.

They're going for a Hail Mary pass? How exciting!

empty whippet box posted:

That seems like a bit of a long shot, obviously the base will "believe" anything they say in the sense that they're just waiting to hear what the thing they're supposed to pretend they believe any time it's brought up is, but other than that type of person, nobody is gonna buy that.

I'm wondering how this is actually going to work out and how they're going to try to sell it.

pkay
Jan 4, 2005
"You and your ilk just made me vote downticket R in the midterms."
- a black man (- a magachud)

empty whippet box posted:

That seems like a bit of a long shot, obviously the base will "believe" anything they say in the sense that they're just waiting to hear what the thing they're supposed to pretend they believe any time it's brought up is, but other than that type of person, nobody is gonna buy that.

There are alot of those types of people in this country, sadly.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

I know this topic was posted earlier but I don't believe it included the fact that Bret Goddamned Stephens of the NYT is doing PragerU videos now.

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1177209958493913089

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


CuddleCryptid posted:

I know this topic was posted earlier but I don't believe it included the fact that Bret Goddamned Stephens of the NYT is doing PragerU videos now.

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1177209958493913089

I mean, it seems like his opportunities would be scarcer ever since he melted down and tried to attack people over being called a bedbug.

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


I can't believe Stacy Dash is 52. That makes her a baby boomer right?

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

half cocaine posted:

I can't believe Stacy Dash is 52. That makes her a baby boomer right?

Generation X

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Ham posted:

The fact that Barr, Pomepeo and now Gorka are loving around in Rome in the middle of this poo poo storm is likely an attempt to employ this as a way to extinguish the drive for impeachment if they can convince people the origin of the Russia investigation was through the previous administration.
Which is especially dumb, because the impeachment stuff started from the Ukraine phone call/whistleblower stuff. It doesn't really have anything to do with the Russia investigation or the Mueller stuff or anything from the 2016 election.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Again, it is the height of irony that Boomers, in their self-absorption and their need to blame Kids These Days for things, functionally erased Gen X in the public consciousness. It's like the late 70s/early 80s never even happened.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

EwokEntourage posted:

Fwiw, federal prosecutors have historically been called DAs, USADAs, and other names same/similar to district attorneys. They’re also the actual DA for Washington DC

US attorney and AUSA is the most common name now tho

For future reference purposes

It does get more confusing when a US attorney and a DA are opposed to each other in the same case. In that situation, The "DA" should probably always refer to the local guy in New York.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1178849963276681217

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1178854333674340352

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

g0del posted:

Which is especially dumb, because the impeachment stuff started from the Ukraine phone call/whistleblower stuff. It doesn't really have anything to do with the Russia investigation or the Mueller stuff or anything from the 2016 election.

ok its really really dumb and never had a chance to fly outside the minds of insane nutjobs on FOX News, but I think the "plan"/"theory", such as it is, goes like this.

People and/or government officials in Ukraine, Australia, Italy, and possibly the UK were working with both Hillary and Obama in a massive global conspiracy to both hurt Trump's election chances, publicly accuse him of receiving help from Russia that totally never happened (Hillary was hacked by Ukraine!), and to delegitimize his victory should he win. If he can find Hillary's server in Ukraine and/or make the governments of Australia, Italy, UK, Ukraine, or anyone else confess to being a part of this totally real, not crazy at all, massive global plot to keep Trump from his deserved glory.... well this would be the biggest conspiracy and the most massive witch hunt in the history of all history.

In that situation, well hell look at all this damned corruption, OBVIOUSLY he would ask Ukraine to look into this corruption, which probably involves the Bidens, and BY THE WAY, there was NO QUID PRO QUO. They were totally NOT PRESSURED into investigating, just ask the president of Ukraine, he said so, case closed! Anyone in the house who investigates this big, smart, good boy is an enemy of the people who should be executed for treason, etc etc etc.

Things have never gotten this dumb in the history of America.

Ham
Apr 30, 2009

You're BALD!

g0del posted:

Which is especially dumb, because the impeachment stuff started from the Ukraine phone call/whistleblower stuff. It doesn't really have anything to do with the Russia investigation or the Mueller stuff or anything from the 2016 election.

It's a hail Mary as someone said, but in the end impeachment is about public opinion. If somehow they convince people that the previous administration and intelligence community had it in for Trump from the start then I can see impeachment support dropping significantly.

Edit: Not that I think it's at all likely, but it seems to be what they're going for.

Ham fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Oct 1, 2019

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers

Ham posted:

If somehow they convince people that the previous administration and intelligence community had it in for Trump from the start then I can see impeachment support dropping significantly.

This would probably work if Rudy didn't go on every TV show ever and scream down the barrel of the camera, how many crimes this administration has done. Also Rudy saying how he has texts to implicate Pompeo and Barr.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

Oddly enough, the primary reason why this batshit crazy conspiracy theory won't work with the voters who don't pay much attention isn't because of the merits of the argument or the inherently hilarious craziness of the theory.

Its because Trump has been screaming stupid poo poo on twitter for almost 3 damned years as president, and they are fed up. If he was a quiet, sober president who did evil poo poo with a reasonable smile and poetic words, and then one day he started screaming bloody murder about a global conspiracy, people would sit up and give his ideas a fair hearing. As it is, people are going "oh what now... huh?.... oh, gently caress off Trump, I'm too busy living my life to listen to more of your bullshit, when's election day again? Not for another year? gently caress."

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

I just read some website synopsis of it and I actually sighed because it is the exact poo poo that has been successful talking points by GOP faithful and FNC at every other crisis.

There is a 100% chance that people like my chud in laws parrot it as fact; however, those people are probably buying into the whole “nothingburger” excuse now anyways.

Unfortunately the impeachment really has to come up with some incredibly simple and blatantly bad for America poo poo or else there will never be enough momentum for anything real to happen. It at least seems like the Dems know this and are moving blindingly fast and with that in mind, and Trump is just the kind of person who would hopefully be that obviously moronic and offensive...

^^ I live in a battleground state and a lot of Trump supporters are definitely sick of his Twitter poo poo and have been, but they it is surprising how many just turn to “well we like his policies” and are afraid of SOCIALISM from the Ds...like red scare Communism all over again. And so while they aren’t MAGA people, I don’t have much hope they are going D

Crazyweasel fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Oct 1, 2019

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Rigel posted:

It does get more confusing when a US attorney and a DA are opposed to each other in the same case. In that situation, The "DA" should probably always refer to the local guy in New York.

Yea agreed. Wasn’t directed at you or anything

The Super-Id
Nov 9, 2005

"You know it's what you really want."


Grimey Drawer
What’s that quote about evil’s weakness being its tendency to overreach? I find it amusing that all the work discrediting the Mueller report and gaslighting the public over Trump’s obvious crimeing is going to be undone because they can’t stop trying to project their own sleazy underhanded bullshit onto their opponents and illegally trying to manufacture that reality.

Fart Amplifier
Apr 12, 2003


Just FYI for anyone who is not familiar with Neil Breen, you really need to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEDij3bGvU and click to some random point in the movie.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

Crazyweasel posted:

I live in a battleground state and a lot of Trump supporters are definitely sick of his Twitter poo poo and have been, but they it is surprising how many just turn to “well we like his policies” and are afraid of SOCIALISM from the Ds...like red scare Communism all over again. And so while they aren’t MAGA people, I don’t have much hope they are going D

I agree there are a lot of people who aren't full on MAGA but who will say "does he have a pen and a pulse? Good enough, I'll just try and ignore what he says for another 4 years". However, I think we can all agree that if Trump stayed on prompter, did everything the GOP wanted, and the only one who tweeted was his staff tweeting boring president stuff, then the election would be a LOT closer, and he'd have a significantly higher chance of winning.

So there are a large chunk of voters somewhere between 7-13% or so, who are potentially going to flip their votes between these two alternate futures based solely on his style and personality. And its his personality and tweets the last 3 years that is going to make those voters completely dismiss his crazy conspiracy out of hand.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Fart Amplifier posted:

Just FYI for anyone who is not familiar with Neil Breen, you really need to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEDij3bGvU and click to some random point in the movie.

Just be slightly careful with that one as there are multiple shots of Neil Breen's naked rear end and ballsack laced throughout the movie. Other than that, yeah it literally doesn't matter what order you watch the film in, it is that incomprehensible and repetitive.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Rigel posted:

I agree there are a lot of people who aren't full on MAGA but who will say "does he have a pen and a pulse? Good enough, I'll just try and ignore what he says for another 4 years". However, I think we can all agree that if Trump stayed on prompter, did everything the GOP wanted, and the only one who tweeted was his staff tweeting boring president stuff, then the election would be a LOT closer, and he'd have a significantly higher chance of winning.

So there are a large chunk of voters somewhere between 7-13% or so, who are potentially going to flip their votes between these two alternate futures based solely on his style and personality. And its his personality and tweets the last 3 years that is going to make those voters completely dismiss his crazy conspiracy out of hand.

Yeah I remember in 2016 working with a guy who said he would pull the lever for the Republicans even if they literally nominated a ham sandwich.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

nine-gear crow posted:

Just be slightly careful with that one as there are multiple shots of Neil Breen's naked rear end and ballsack laced throughout the movie. Other than that, yeah it literally doesn't matter what order you watch the film in, it is that incomprehensible and repetitive.

If you wanna learn all about his movies: https://youtu.be/6L4g3H_TM28

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Yeah I remember in 2016 working with a guy who said he would pull the lever for the Republicans even if they literally nominated a ham sandwich.

A ham sandwich would’ve been better for the party and I’m convinced a rock painted with the GOP logo would’ve won

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Rigel posted:

I agree there are a lot of people who aren't full on MAGA but who will say "does he have a pen and a pulse? Good enough, I'll just try and ignore what he says for another 4 years". However, I think we can all agree that if Trump stayed on prompter, did everything the GOP wanted, and the only one who tweeted was his staff tweeting boring president stuff, then the election would be a LOT closer, and he'd have a significantly higher chance of winning.

So there are a large chunk of voters somewhere between 7-13% or so, who are potentially going to flip their votes between these two alternate futures based solely on his style and personality. And its his personality and tweets the last 3 years that is going to make those voters completely dismiss his crazy conspiracy out of hand.

Just 1% flips the election.

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

Charlz Guybon posted:

Just 1% flips the election.

We don't even need to convince CHUDs, just those who don't usually vote, didn't vote last time, or have just come into voting age. Like, who cares if he is turning off Republicans because it's likely he's turning off moderates.

thin blue whine fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Oct 1, 2019

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Yeah I remember in 2016 working with a guy who said he would pull the lever for the Republicans even if they literally nominated a ham sandwich.

I know a lot of people who basically want anyone in power who will defeat Trump. They don't care who it is.

The problem is with this mode of thinking is that they'll accept anyone if the next person allows them to ignore politics again. For them to be lulled to sleep once more. They desire a life devoid of conflict and by not choosing people who will resolve suffering, we're just kicking the can down the road. That unless they choose someone who will resolve the problems of everyday people, the conflict will never be resolved. It will only be delayed, and only maybe. That if they truly want to go back to their comfortable life, they must go out of their way to extend comfort and aid to others. And the idea just bounces off them, as if it's totally alien and empathy is bizarre.

And by people, I mean the white liberal, the so called moderate. One of their most defining traits is the desire for the absence of conflict. Not peace, or at least nothing healthy, but negative peace. That moment where someone is done kicking you and they tell you not to get up. The white liberal is satisfied with that, or if not, they'll tell you to wait for your time, incremental change is best, be patient. And all you want to do is break the leg of the person who kicked you. But as soon as you stand up for yourself they'll start screaming about violence, despite the threat of violence being everpresent.

I used to be one of these people and I am disgusted with myself in the same way that I'm disgusted with the white liberal. That incremental change, little tweaks, long policies, are loving horrible and demeaning to people who are suffering right now. That people in dire need don't need help ten years from now if they're patient, and only maybe, and only a little. They need capital H help right now. Not later. Now. And the white liberal will jump on the backs of people willing to deal with their bullshit and will weigh them down, forever whispering that if they're good, they might get their rights later. But only if they're reeeeeeally good.

These people need a kicking to understand what that poo poo feels like. That tension when the kicks stop coming. For someone to be satisfied with their lack of response, or perhaps mildly guilty. For someone to tell them that freedom is a long, arduous process of tiny, incremental change. That their rules are best and that revolutionary change is unthinkable nonsense, and they'll loudly proclaim it so, or perhaps whisper it.

Anything to preserve their comfort.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
It's Frum, but I thought this article was pretty good
https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1178872308657803264

I edited it down to the basics

quote:

1. Don’t be defined by impeachment...

2. Express contrition for proven wrongdoing...

3. Leave no fingerprints on any countermeasures...

4. Persuade the waverers...

5. Never read the stage directions aloud...

Now contrast Trump’s approach.

1. Talk more about impeachment...

2. Show no contrition...

3. Leave fingerprints everywhere...

4. Make no attempt at persuasion...

5. Read the stage directions aloud...

...

At the core of Trump’s trouble is this: He seems unable to cope psychologically with the truth of his presidency’s unpopularity. He appears deeply personally committed to the fiction that his presidency musters massive public support. That fiction leads him to underestimate the danger facing him and overestimate his resources against that danger.

The odds of impeachment of course favor the president, because 67 votes to remove remains an almost certainly impassable bar. But Trump is bringing nothing else to this contest besides inertia. His own actions are the worst possible. In a fight his opponents probably cannot win, he is exerting all his manic, directionless energy to lose.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Hiro Protagonist posted:

I'm just paranoid that people will fall for it at this point.

Only those that would already be on Trump's side anyways
We were discussing this poo poo at work Saturday and one of those involved told us she didn't believe all the poo poo because "Trump said". That's when we informed her Trump was the one that released the crimes info in the first damned place. She still backs Trump because "At least he's honest and straight forward"
These people are mentally broken

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Rabble posted:

How many levels of double down are we on by now?

Pi but without the decimal point

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

As a gen-xer, gently caress you, even if you're right.

e: God drat it, I'm old as gently caress. At least I'm not a boomer.

RandomBlue fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Oct 1, 2019

Throwing Turtles
May 3, 2015

Fart Amplifier posted:

Just FYI for anyone who is not familiar with Neil Breen, you really need to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEDij3bGvU and click to some random point in the movie.

It's been blocked by PBS, which makes perfect sense for this movie I guess. I'm going to assume I AM HERE.... NOW was blocked by Better Homes and Gardens. Because sure.

Here's the Cinema Snob review. This has about 20 minutes of the movie in it. You can watch other peoples reviews of the movie and you won't see much of the same stuff. Niel Breen is truly a prophet for our time, he's just one of those prophets you will never understand. This has the ballsacks and stuff blacked out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx6Lb-QQoQA

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

Charlz Guybon posted:

2. Express contrition for proven wrongdoing...

This might have worked in the past, but now Republican orthodoxy is to never admit wrongdoing, which means you didn't do it.

See: Al Franken was guilty of groping women because he apologized. Trump's accusers are liars because he says he didn't do it (and also that the tape of him admitting he did it is fake).

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





nine-gear crow posted:

It's like the late 70s/early 80s never even happened.
If only. Not only did they happen but we're still living with the consequences, which probably include the inevitable collapse of global civilization.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019

Ice Phisherman posted:

I know a lot of people who basically want anyone in power who will defeat Trump. They don't care who it is.

The problem is with this mode of thinking is that they'll accept anyone if the next person allows them to ignore politics again. For them to be lulled to sleep once more. They desire a life devoid of conflict and by not choosing people who will resolve suffering, we're just kicking the can down the road. That unless they choose someone who will resolve the problems of everyday people, the conflict will never be resolved. It will only be delayed, and only maybe. That if they truly want to go back to their comfortable life, they must go out of their way to extend comfort and aid to others. And the idea just bounces off them, as if it's totally alien and empathy is bizarre.

And by people, I mean the white liberal, the so called moderate. One of their most defining traits is the desire for the absence of conflict. Not peace, or at least nothing healthy, but negative peace. That moment where someone is done kicking you and they tell you not to get up. The white liberal is satisfied with that, or if not, they'll tell you to wait for your time, incremental change is best, be patient. And all you want to do is break the leg of the person who kicked you. But as soon as you stand up for yourself they'll start screaming about violence, despite the threat of violence being everpresent.

I used to be one of these people and I am disgusted with myself in the same way that I'm disgusted with the white liberal. That incremental change, little tweaks, long policies, are loving horrible and demeaning to people who are suffering right now. That people in dire need don't need help ten years from now if they're patient, and only maybe, and only a little. They need capital H help right now. Not later. Now. And the white liberal will jump on the backs of people willing to deal with their bullshit and will weigh them down, forever whispering that if they're good, they might get their rights later. But only if they're reeeeeeally good.

These people need a kicking to understand what that poo poo feels like. That tension when the kicks stop coming. For someone to be satisfied with their lack of response, or perhaps mildly guilty. For someone to tell them that freedom is a long, arduous process of tiny, incremental change. That their rules are best and that revolutionary change is unthinkable nonsense, and they'll loudly proclaim it so, or perhaps whisper it.

Anything to preserve their comfort.

You don't need the white descriptor.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1178681669672456193
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1178930395485786112

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thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

RandomBlue posted:

At least I'm not a boomer.

the only thing our generation really has going for us

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