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Data Graham posted:Because if you let just anybody elect the king, they could end up putting some demented yahoo in power!! Plato would be appalled that we still haven't figured this out.
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Prester Jane posted:I don't know, was the sitting president of the United States openly encouraging them in the past or is that some sort of new development that dramatically alters the context around this discussion? Reagan actively courted white supremacists in his campaign in the 80's, kicking it off in an area known for lynching civil rights activists and talking "states rights". Trump firing up the white supremacists sure is happening, but you're going to have to walk me through how that gets to CW2: Proud Boy Boogaloo.
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Oracle posted:Well if they're State Dept employees Congress having the 'power of the purse' can garnish their wages I believe. Suddenly being unable to make your house payment would likely be quite compelling. I don't think they have a tool to remove payments going to one specific individual do they? They find the departments but as demonstrated with the recent wall stuff Trump decides ultimately where the money goes, and here the law would probably back him up.
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OAquinas posted:Latest Ukraine Clown Posse update: Oh gee, the Russian puppet cut off aid to Ukraine and now they are resorting to this. It's like there is a pattern of behavior and actions or something! 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:While it was nice to see Boris get really owned by the UK’s Supreme Court from what I can tell the country is no closer to avoiding Brexit catastrophe. The idea that at some point they either have a second referendum and take it all back or they negotiate a decent deal that somehow works for everyone. The former's a much more easily-executed outcome than the latter but they're both full of the hard choices hate to make. That quote about politics being like sausage-making comes to mind.
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Jaxyon posted:Reagan actively courted white supremacists in his campaign in the 80's, kicking it off in an area known for lynching civil rights activists and talking "states rights". the quick and easy one is this: remember that Oregon GOP walkout that was ended with the total submission of the Oregon dems what happens the first time that Pragmatic Centrism does -not- immediately knuckle under faced with militarized resistance from conservatives is still very much up in the air. hopefully, they fold. or, failing that, hopefully they get cleaned up quickly and neatly. but quite simply, we do not know what happens after that. we're gonna find out sooner or later, but so far in the age of Trump the Republicans are batting one thousand with this playbook.
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Celexi posted:
Sure it does... if you are those land owners.
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Failed Imagineer posted:To engage with the madness for a moment - what would have happened in that random studio for weeks after an election had occurred? Pizzagate.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:sort of but not exactly, the Oath Keepers specifically were a secondary element in the Bundy ranch standoff and made the other militias Real Mad when they withdrew early over drone strike fears; technically they DID almost trigger a massive shootout, but it was hot militia-on-militia action, not militia-on-fed They were a primary element in the standoff and were incredibly important because of the organizational infrastructure and communications network they brought/set up. They withdrew only after the standoff had already occurred- the drone strike was supposed to be in retaliation for embarrassing the feds. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Oct 1, 2019 21:28
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GlyphGryph posted:It has not yet been made clear to me the manner in which the House will enforce fines. Oracle posted:Well if they're State Dept employees Congress having the 'power of the purse' can garnish their wages I believe. Suddenly being unable to make your house payment would likely be quite compelling. haveblue posted:They can't do that unilaterally, the power of the purse refers to passing legislative budgets. They would need the Senate and executive (barring veto override) to do targeted defunds of departments. yeah, targeted legislation would probably be unconstitutional and is unnecessary anyway It's not as clearly laid out as civil contempt, but the House could probably either have the sergeant at arms issue the fines (by the same sort of mechanism as that hypothetical Chase Bank garnishment, where he / his office sends a letter), or have him go to a judge and ask the judge to issue the fines. In either case though, you might as well start with suing for civil contempt in the first place.
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Jaxyon posted:Reagan actively courted white supremacists in his campaign in the 80's, kicking it off in an area known for lynching civil rights activists and talking "states rights". Dog whistling to white supremacists is a whole different ballgame than outright calling for civil war if you are impeached.
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cr0y posted:My attorney got (an) attorney My Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Be concerned about small group far right terror attacks, not some balkan-style civil war conflict
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Celexi posted:They are both bad systems for different reasons, one doesn't have a written constitution, the other somehow puts all the executive power in a single person, controlling all of the federal goverment. Here's the dirty secret no one wants to admit, America's constitution was an experiment. When you step back and forget all the history it's kind of dumb to think that a dozen rich white guys 200+ years ago somehow knew how to craft a governing system that would last for thousands of years and massive societal and technologic changes. It's almost flying spaghetti monster levels of absurdity, like some sacred 200 year old document is to be revered and worshipped without question. But luckily those rich white guys realized that they couldn't account for every possible issue or scenario in the future. So they built in mechanisms to change the government, and over time the branches have evolved with amendments and important judicial decisions. And it's up to us to realize, is the government in its current state really working? If not, what can we do to change it? mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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The Founding Fathers had varying degrees of opinion on the King and some outright believed that they were rebelling against an oppressive Parliament and not the King at all so in that light it makes total sense that they’d later go on to support a King like executive figure running the country.
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mod sassinator posted:Here's the dirty secret no one wants to admit, America's constitution was an experiment. When you step back and forget all the history it's kind fo dumb to think that a dozen rich white guys 200+ years ago somehow knew how to craft a governing system that would last for thousands of years and massive societal and technologic changes. It's almost flying spaghetti monster levels of absurdity, like some sacred 200 year old document is to be revered and worshipped without question. The ruling class will continue to prop up the Constitution as sacred as long as it keeps them in power. Morons go along with it, not realizing they are being exploited. So it goes.
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mod sassinator posted:But luckily those rich white guys realized that they couldn't account for every possible issue or scenario in the future. So they built in mechanisms to change the government, and over time the branches have evolved with amendments and important judicial decisions. And it's up to us to realize, is the government in its current state really working? If not, what can we do to change it? Nothing. The false religious canonization of the founders of this country has been beaten into the skull of every citizen. While it doesn't always take, the indoctrination rate is still really, really loving high. Ask any red-state hillbilly and they'll tell you that our constitution was ordained by god and cannot be changed in spite of the glaring fact that it has been changed many many times. Civic education has been dead in this country for like 75 years and this is the result.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Founding Fathers had varying degrees of opinion on the King and some outright believed that they were rebelling against an oppressive Parliament and not the King at all so in that light it makes total sense that they’d later go on to support a King like executive figure running the country. Put history into context though--I don't have a good source offhand but I remember learning that in the founding days the president and executive branch actually had very little power. It was really just a check on congress's power. It's only over time that we've given up more and more control, like the power to start wars and such, to the executive branch.
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Jaxyon posted:Food NO >  i think they're just going to quietly phase it out until people forget it ever existed.
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mod sassinator posted:Here's the dirty secret no one wants to admit, America's constitution was an experiment. When you step back and forget all the history it's kind of dumb to think that a dozen rich white guys 200+ years ago somehow knew how to craft a governing system that would last for thousands of years and massive societal and technologic changes. It's almost flying spaghetti monster levels of absurdity, like some sacred 200 year old document is to be revered and worshipped without question. Sam Seder had a guy on yesterday who made the argument that the Supreme Court was never intended to adjudicate the Constitution, and was only assembled so there was a "highest court" for the buck on normal cases to stop at. Thomas Jefferson apparently flipped his poo poo the first time they made a Constitutional ruling
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LeeMajors posted:Nothing. The false religious canonization of the founders of this country has been beaten into the skull of every citizen. While it doesn't always take, the indoctrination rate is still really, really loving high. https://twitter.com/JanePrester/status/1179133917997092864?s=19 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Iron Lung posted:NO > They have it front and center in the digital menu, just with a banner across it saying BACK SOON. That seems like an odd tactic toward that goal
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did you make a tweet as a reply to a comment in this thread, then quote your own tweet in this thread as a reply to the same comment?
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I actively tried to read those but my eyes kept skittering off the page in sheer horror.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Sam Seder had a guy on yesterday who made the argument that the Supreme Court was never intended to adjudicate the Constitution, and was only assembled so there was a "highest court" for the buck on normal cases to stop at. Thomas Jefferson apparently flipped his poo poo the first time they made a Constitutional ruling Yeah and there was a fascinating podcast I heard early in the year about Truman and the bomb and how it dramatically changed the power of the president. There were many people who saw Truman dropping the bomb as a huge abuse of power--it should have been a decision made by congress they thought. And it's precisely the kind of thing the founding fathers could never have anticipated, that the president would have a magic button on his desk that literally would destroy the world in 20 minutes. There was a lot of back and forth apparently to try and reign in the president's control over nuclear weapons and unfortunately in the red scare era the power was given to the president. Maybe that was a big mistake...
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LeeMajors posted:Nothing. The false religious canonization of the founders of this country has been beaten into the skull of every citizen. While it doesn't always take, the indoctrination rate is still really, really loving high. The same people who act like the Constitution cannot be changed also love The 2nd Amendment, which of course is a change to the Constitution.
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I love question 29, the "right" answer is the only one that is cruel on its face even to a 10-year-old kid
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Why is this still happening now when the jury reached a verdict this morning?
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haveblue posted:Why is this still happening now when the jury reached a verdict this morning? Sentencing phase.
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haveblue posted:Why is this still happening now when the jury reached a verdict this morning? Punishment phase, showing evidence that she should not be let off easy
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legit surprised that lady cop got convicted guess it probably helped that she was a woman either way, good to see SOME good news come out of the criminal justice system for once
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You guys do realize Zelensky was the pro-russian reintegration candidate as opposed to the previous russia-phobic president right?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/LaVendrickS/status/1179135732759367683 Lock her up.
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 Scott Forstall posted:did you make a tweet as a reply to a comment in this thread, then quote your own tweet in this thread as a reply to the same comment? PJ @4:39EST 
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ThanosWasRight posted:You guys do realize Zelensky was the pro-russian reintegration candidate as opposed to the previous russia-phobic president right? Donut twitter is freaking out about the aid packages--who pocketed it, why did Zelensky ask if he was just going to surrender, etc.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:sort of but not exactly, the Oath Keepers specifically were a secondary element in the Bundy ranch standoff and made the other militias Real Mad when they withdrew early over drone strike fears; technically they DID almost trigger a massive shootout, but it was hot militia-on-militia action, not militia-on-fed This owns. A lot of weird biker types you'd assume are complete dipshits are entirely decent folks. Lots of weird old chuds buying harleys though, too and gently caress those guys
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