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RabidWeasel posted:No, Thrace and Macedon are the only Diadochi antagonists. The rest are IIRC Carthage, Rome, Arvernia, Parnia, and some state in India. I'm sure I forgot at least one. 
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Is Antigonos still alive at game start? He is literally the reason we have the word Antagonist. nah, that's a fairly basic greek compound word
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Hmm well tried a game as Syracuse and Carthage immediately killed me. Can you only play as major powers now? Syracuse has been one of my favorite starts. You're absolutely going to be attacked by Carthage, but you have enough time at start to clear out the Sicilian minors and nab an alliance with Epirus which should provide enough of a distraction that you can fend off the armies Carthage sends to Sicily. Then after defending long enough and occupying their holdings on the island, you should be able to take some of them in a peace. Over the next period keep creeping up the boot of Italy, see if you can snag an alliance with Macedonia and then you're good as gold.
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Sep 28, 2019 01:39
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Syracuse has been one of my favorite starts. You're absolutely going to be attacked by Carthage, but you have enough time at start to clear out the Sicilian minors and nab an alliance with Epirus which should provide enough of a distraction that you can fend off the armies Carthage sends to Sicily. Then after defending long enough and occupying their holdings on the island, you should be able to take some of them in a peace. Over the next period keep creeping up the boot of Italy, see if you can snag an alliance with Macedonia and then you're good as gold. They rolled me with like 50k dudes, didn't get an epirus alliance though. Also for Syracuse it had my vassals as being disloyal? But their opinion was real high. It showed up when I took out the other Sicilian minors, they would join because of "disloyal vasssal" or something. But couldn't tell why they were disloyal.
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Sep 28, 2019 02:40
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ai syracuse has survived and thrived for at least 50 years in all 3 of my bosporan kingdom attempts thus far since the patch, although they actually turned into the mamertines in one of them. i had a lot of success with that start in earlier permutations of the game but carthage being more aggressive changes things up, you'll probably want to keep a bunch of cash floating for mercs. attacking carthage if they ever get distracted is a good move, if it takes them too long to move troops to the island from wherever it is they're fighting you can usually nibble off some of it in a quick peace deal just based on occupation bonus warscore.
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Sep 28, 2019 03:07
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appropriatemetaphor posted:They rolled me with like 50k dudes, didn't get an epirus alliance though. You can see vassal loyalty from the vassal's diplo screen next to a hand symbol. Hovering over the loyalty number will show what's affecting it. Sometimes vassals get events which tank their loyalty and there's not much you can do about it other that waiting unfortunately.
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Sep 28, 2019 04:52
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appropriatemetaphor posted:They rolled me with like 50k dudes, didn't get an epirus alliance though. For the first few wars with Carthage, you definitely need an ally. The main three I've used are Epirus, Rome, and Macedonia.
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Sep 28, 2019 05:42
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Flavius Aetass posted:nah, that's a fairly basic greek compound word Although a bunch of words do have that kind of origin, which is fun. Academy was originally just the name of the single, specific garden Plato taught in, originally owned by a person called Akademos.
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Sep 28, 2019 08:50
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How is Imperator nowadays? I bought it when it came out and quickly lost interest, returning to EUIV. There have been 2 big patches so far, if I'm right. Is the game more engaging now?
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Sep 28, 2019 12:15
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Flavius Aetass posted:nah, that's a fairly basic greek compound word 
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Sep 28, 2019 14:58
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I dont believe you simply to be contrary and because its too good not to be true even though I have no way to prove it. We got Nepotism because of a Greek (Athenian, I think?) guy named Nepos who got elected to a high office that liked to give prominent positions to his family members despite the fact that they were completely not qualified. We got Antagonize from Antigonos I of Phrygia because he was constantly antagonizing the other greek diadochi, and was constantly at war for like 30 years where does Protaginos come into the picture
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Jazerus posted:where does Protaginos come into the picture Maybe I should have used  What I was really trying to say prior to the post you quoted, Antigonos died because he triggered a coalition of all of the other diadochi because he was so aggressive and antagonistic, constantly. It surprises me that a he is not an antagonist in this game.
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Sep 28, 2019 15:26
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Hammerstein posted:How is Imperator nowadays? I bought it when it came out and quickly lost interest, returning to EUIV. I thought it sucked at launch but I’ve gotten back in in a big way with this patch. Frankly this is how it should have shipped. I’ve done plenty of paradox titles in 1.0 stages and this was rough even by their standards. It’s a good game now.
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Game is good now! Playing as Thrace, not long after the start date, I'm not sure who I should attack first: Macedon while it is in a losing war with Egypt, or Phrygia while it is having a very big civil war. Main problem is that Macedon is guaranteed by the Seleucid empire for some reason (but their territory is much more interesting).
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Sep 28, 2019 21:48
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So I'm doing the standard roman playthrough. Took the immediate italian BS near me, ate everything south of the Po river, then ended up in a war with Carthage over Sicily. Won that (barely), cleaned up the random greek states in S. Italy and Sicily, then Carthage DOW'd me again and I ended up owning Carthage proper. Rinse and repeat and I own N. Africa and they are basically a Spanish empire. So far so good. I decided to go gently caress with the greeks and holy loving poo poo invading greece suuuuuuuucks. It's a goddamned fort every single province.
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Sep 28, 2019 21:56
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:What I was really trying to say prior to the post you quoted, Antigonos died because he triggered a coalition of all of the other diadochi because he was so aggressive and antagonistic, constantly. It surprises me that a he is not an antagonist in this game. Antagonist could've been a character trait similar to ambitious, which did the AI things it currently does, while also leading to characters in political factions pulling more shady poo poo if tagged and potentially destabilizing the country in order to support their faction's agenda. Caesar in Gaul could just be a popular general getting Antagonist with the personal aim to conquer Gaul. Satisfy him, or he'll actively make life hell - at least keeping him in the field, fighting for that goal would hurt less than letting him come back, join the Senate and prop up his faction.
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I started a game as iron man Etruria. Barely won the war against Rome, used the truce period to capture some tribals north of me, then I prepared a line of forts along the Roman border, raised more troops and waited Truce ended aaand nothing, Rome conquered some minors in Italy, grew into a regional power and then asked for an alliance, now we are "friends" helping eachother grow while having massive negative opinions and them insulting me now and then. 
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Sep 28, 2019 23:22
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Noir89 posted:I started a game as iron man Etruria. Barely won the war against Rome, used the truce period to capture some tribals north of me, then I prepared a line of forts along the Roman border, raised more troops and waited Truce ended aaand nothing, Rome conquered some minors in Italy, grew into a regional power and then asked for an alliance, now we are "friends" helping eachother grow while having massive negative opinions and them insulting me now and then. Which of you is the shonen protagonist and which is the edgelord friend?
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Sep 29, 2019 00:44
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I am obviously the protagonist, It's not me hurling insults and threatening to leave the alliance
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Sep 29, 2019 00:53
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I dont believe you simply to be contrary and because its too good not to be true even though I have no way to prove it. We got Nepotism because of a Greek (Athenian, I think?) guy named Nepos who got elected to a high office that liked to give prominent positions to his family members despite the fact that they were completely not qualified. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Sep 29, 2019 06:25
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Yeah, and Nepotism is called that cause some Popes had put their "nephews" in positions of power. It's impolite for Pope to have a son or a bastard so they get nephews.
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Sep 29, 2019 10:37
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Well the changes to Imperator were a little overwhelming, so I ended up having to play a Rome game. Love the new political influence system, if I wasn't playing a nation that got tons of free claims I would definitely have to balance some poo poo. Also huge huge fan of non instant claims and conversions. Still needs some more content but I'm having fun.
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Welp I'll have to figure out which book on Greece I got that from because now I feel like an idiot.
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Do dudes migrate from one province to another? Like if you do the centralize governor thing? Thinking like will my capital pull people from all over the empire or just it's immediate lands?
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Sep 29, 2019 19:42
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Was just really getting into my Rome game and . . . game ends. Huh. This might be the shortest Paradox game I've played in a while.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Do dudes migrate from one province to another? Like if you do the centralize governor thing? As far as I know: yes pops can migrate between provinces, but only to adjacent settlement/cities. So your capital will pull people from everything within it's province and from everywhere adjacent to your capital city. edit: double checked, I was wrong, my capital city is getting migrants from all over my empire, completely ignoring provinces. Walh Hara fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Was just really getting into my Rome game and . . . game ends. yea, that's super weird, why not include the Roman empire time, to about the fall of Rome, say 500. We already start the game with a lot of Super powers, that are just waiting to fall just like Rome did, with internal civil war/migration/invasions.. Btw, what's the easiest way to post images here, if i want to make a effort post?
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Sep 30, 2019 20:12
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Descar posted:yea, that's super weird, why not include the Roman empire time, to about the fall of Rome, say 500. https://imgur.com/ Probably they are saving the empire for the first big DLC
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Sep 30, 2019 20:55
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Descar posted:yea, that's super weird, why not include the Roman empire time, to about the fall of Rome, say 500. 235 would be a decent stopping point. late antiquity is too different of a time period to fit comfortably into imperator; you could make a whole game out of 235-650.
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Sep 30, 2019 22:15
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I:R doesnt model most of the Roman conquests pre-Empire, why would you expect it to also try to model the Roman conquests post-Empire?
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Sep 30, 2019 22:29
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What's the end year anyway?
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appropriatemetaphor posted:What's the end year anyway? 727 AUC / 27 BC. In my last game I just started feeling like I was rolling into the late mid-game of a normal paradox title. You're a major empire, you have goals on multiple fronts, but you still have some big competition to knock over and poo poo isn't totally in the bag yet. It was really jarring to just have to go "yup, game over" and move on. I'll probably wait until they release an expansion that kicks it out to 200AD or so. God what a incomplete feeling game. It was a dumpster fire on launch, this patch got it fun, but said fun only lasts about 2/3rds as long as it should before dumping you back at menu.
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Sampatrick posted:I:R doesnt model most of the Roman conquests pre-Empire, why would you expect it to also try to model the Roman conquests post-Empire? But, it's "easy" to do the conquest the Romans did, and all the big blobs(Maurya, Selecuid, Thrace, Phrygia, Macedon, Egypt & Carthage) at start did fall within the game's time. There's even a achievement for taking over the whole map, including India. And it's good that the AI have a lot of randomness to it, makes each game different. So, if you ignore Rome for a bit, the game is about conquest, getting as big as you can, before you have to deal with unbearable internal trouble, combined with invasions/migrations from outside. It's just that the Internal management atm is a bit lackluster, but there's no reason to end so early. Descar fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:727 AUC / 27 BC. Paradox has said repeatedly that they're never expanding the timeline. And I agree with them. The game is plenty long enough already. Most players never even see the game over screen, and it's more than possible to do a world conquest in the given timeframe with many nations. If you really want a longer timeline, modding it yourself is pretty easy, though. There are mods on the steam workshop for this. One thing they could maybe do is roll into the end more smoothly than a simple "game over" screen that appears without warning. The Civilization games do this with a countdown system, and the way technology and age progression constantly raises the stakes (and waters). EU4 currently handles this not as well but still decently with the ages system giving you that feeling of progression and, by the end game, eminent ending (also the addition of new mechanics over time like absolutism and revolution). I'm not a fan of the way some other Paradox games just prompt you with a game over screen out of nowhere when the time comes, though. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Oct 1, 2019 19:31
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I dunno, for this one, I would very much like a timeline expansion. I agree that in its present state it's extremely jarring, and Imperator is even in the title. I'd like to see the era of the Roman Empire rather than just the Republic.
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Tried after a break, I forgot how food works - I conquered Sabinia as Rome and suddenly Latium is starving? Did I capture too many pops? I don't remember how to SPQR 
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canepazzo posted:Tried after a break, I forgot how food works - I conquered Sabinia as Rome and suddenly Latium is starving? Did I capture too many pops? I don't remember how to SPQR There is a "max" population a city can have now, building aqueducts increases the population capacity. If you're having trouble stockpiling food, get rid of one or two trade routes to your capital and import goods from the "food" group
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Oct 1, 2019 22:11
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You can also build farm settlements on food sources and slave estates on not-food-sources for more food
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Obviously world conquests are possible since people have the achievement but I don’t understand how you can conquer the map quickly enough without exploding due to all the off-culture pops and AE you’d have to accumulate
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Cyrano4747 posted:So I'm doing the standard roman playthrough. Took the immediate italian BS near me, ate everything south of the Po river, then ended up in a war with Carthage over Sicily. Won that (barely), cleaned up the random greek states in S. Italy and Sicily, then Carthage DOW'd me again and I ended up owning Carthage proper. Rinse and repeat and I own N. Africa and they are basically a Spanish empire. Im.currently in a rom playthrough and i've been delaying attacking greece because of that. The last game i played (a while back) Greece became my vietnam. Im afraid of a repeat.
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