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George H.W. oval office posted:Does anyone have experience with the various Moissanite companies? I know Charles & Colvard recently lost the patent so a bunch of competition has sprouted up but what’s the quality like for these others? I have a C&C Forever One and it definitely falls in the D-F range. Helzberg Diamonds sells the F1 Moissanite and the store I went to had a small selection of rings. I would have preferred a non-chain store, but my partner wanted to get ring shopping over in one day and it happened to be a Sunday afternoon that I broke my placeholder ring and we decided to get it over with. If she's concerned about color, I'd suggest trying to find a brick and mortar store that sells it and seeing it in person, because I was pretty set on moissanite but was afraid to commit without ever seeing moissanite in person. I didn't like how bling-y Helzberg's moissanite collection was, so they ended up making a simple 7x5mm oval solitaire setting for me for a relatively reasonable price. Keeping the stone at 2ct or under is a good idea because I've heard the larger stones have a tendency to look more gray than smaller ones.
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How late is too late for a wedding to start if ceremony and reception are in the same venue
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# ? Oct 1, 2019 16:49 |
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Killingyouguy! posted:How late is too late for a wedding to start if ceremony and reception are in the same venue Depends on when you're doing photos, if you're taking any time post ceremony-pre cocktail hour to yourselves, what the food situation is, etc. If you did food before the ceremony as guests arrived you could probably get away with starting later. Otherwise would say you couldn't start later than 5 or so because by the time you finish the ceremony if you start at 6 people are going to be starving, fill up on cocktail hour, and dinner would be pretty late.
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Hmm, okay. This venue is saying that because they have daytime events they will not be able to host a rental earlier than 5pm, and I don't yet know if setup time will cut into that as well. I don't want my guests to starve! I guess I'll have to see. Thanks!
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Well this is annoying. The priest needs the baptismal certificate, my mother can't find it, the church can only send a copy of the baptismal registry page where I'm listed and apparently the church is really weird about needing it. Like he doesn't seem to care that I'm non practicing, doesn't expect me to come to mass or convert, but BY GOD we must have the baptismal cert. It's getting to the point where my mother says we might need to tell him it must have been lost in That Terrible Fire. I don't care about having a Catholic wedding but fiance's family does and also the wedding is in 2 months and I'm not sure I could find another venue. On the bonus side I learned today that the ELCA archival staff is fantastic and there are zero hold times.
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# ? Oct 1, 2019 21:16 |
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I mean, it's not a legal document. I'm guessing someone could Photoshop and print you one pretty easy.
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# ? Oct 2, 2019 00:26 |
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Jewish weddings frequently start super late on Saturdays because of the whole Shabbat thing. I definitely have been to several that didn’t serve dinner until 8 or even 9 pm. I wouldn’t sweat it too much.
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Scathach posted:I mean, it's not a legal document. I'm guessing someone could Photoshop and print you one pretty easy. I like the fire idea but this may be less sotcom-y
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Well this is annoying. The priest needs the baptismal certificate, my mother can't find it, the church can only send a copy of the baptismal registry page where I'm listed and apparently the church is really weird about needing it. Like he doesn't seem to care that I'm non practicing, doesn't expect me to come to mass or convert, but BY GOD we must have the baptismal cert. It's getting to the point where my mother says we might need to tell him it must have been lost in That Terrible Fire. I don't care about having a Catholic wedding but fiance's family does and also the wedding is in 2 months and I'm not sure I could find another venue. On the bonus side I learned today that the ELCA archival staff is fantastic and there are zero hold times. As a person that works for a diocese, reach out to the local diocese offices if you can. They have these records and likely can reproduce the certificate for you.
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Killingyouguy! posted:Hmm, okay. This venue is saying that because they have daytime events they will not be able to host a rental earlier than 5pm, and I don't yet know if setup time will cut into that as well. I don't want my guests to starve! I guess I'll have to see. Thanks! Our venue couldn't let us start setting up until 5:00, so we had a cocktail hour starting at 5:30, and had a 6:30 ceremony, and then dinner was served at around 7:30. There was no problem with those times, or guests filling up on food early. The guests knew that dinner would be on the later side, of course, so they could eat a bit beforehand if they felt they needed to, and we brought some food for everyone when we were taking photos with the family in the afternoon. Things might be different if you are planning for a longer ceremony, of course (ours was only about 20 minutes, and started a bit late, of course), and we also had almost no children among our guests.
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couldcareless posted:As a person that works for a diocese, reach out to the local diocese offices if you can. They have these records and likely can reproduce the certificate for you. I'm not sure that Lutherans have diocese, but I'll talk to the church again and see what they can do
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Killingyouguy! posted:How late is too late for a wedding to start if ceremony and reception are in the same venue Wedding professional here: how long can you go? The majority of the weddings I play are 6 hour events from ceremony start to last song. I wish I had an extra hour tonight as it was a fun as hell crowd but the venue is a strict 10pm stop. They have have to observe sound ordinances. I can whip up a sample timeline if anyone wants it. I’m entertainment so aim to keep things moving along and people engaged but not getting their asses kicked at the reception. It’s all subject to change based on floorplanning, time of the year, wants/needs, etc.
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Thanks everyone! We ended up booking a date a month later than we wanted, but we are now able to start as early in the day as we want that sample time line would be appreciated anyway though
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 15:37 |
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Our ceremony and reception were at the same place. Our timeline looked like this: 13:40 - Tuk tuk pick up from hotel 14:00 - Guests arrive 14:20 - We arrive 14:35 - Ceremony starts 15:15 - Post-ceremony photos 15:40 - Brewery tour with wedding party 17:00 - Food 17:45 - Speeches 18:30 - End of speeches 19:30 - Golden hour photos 20:00 - First dance 23:00 - Carriages
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 07:50 |
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Our reception and ceremony were in the same place too. Here's our redacted timeline that went out to the wedding party + additional important parties Wedding Party and Special Roles Bridesmaids: Groomsmen: Officiant: Greeters: Saxophone during ceremony: Train arrival bell: Dance performances: Day before the wedding: Event: Wedding Rehearsal When: Thursday 2pm (sharp!) Who: Event: Grooms Dinner/Rehearsal Dinner When: Thursday 6:30pm Wedding Day: Event: Bridal Party Hair and Makeup When: 9am-1pm Event: Groomsmen Hangout When: 10am-1pm Event: Women's wedding party When: Friday 2pm Event: Men's wedding party When: Friday 2:15pm Event: Immediate family’s arrival When: Friday 2:30pm Event: Shuttle from Tollhouse to Venue When: Friday 3:00pm Event: Main Guest Arrival at venue (attention greeters) When: 3:30pm Event: Ceremony When: 4:00pm Event: Post ceremony pictures When: 4:30pm – 5:15pm Event: Cocktail Hour: When: 4:30pm – 6:15pm Event: Bridal Party Entrance to Cocktail Hour When: 5:15pm Event: Dinner Grand Entrance When: Invite at 6:15pm Event: First set of speeches/toasts When: 6:25pm, 6:40pm Event: Main course is served! When: 6:55pm Event: Second set of speeches/toasts When: 7:15 Event: SUNSET When: 7:54pm Who: The sun Where: The sky What: It will get cold pretty quick after the sun sets, the goal is to get speeches done by 7:45 so that people can get in the barn for the next event. Event: First Dance When: 7:55 Event: Father/Daughter Dance When: 8:00pm Event: Mother/Son Dance Event: Dance Performance #1 Event: Dance Performance #2 Event: Open Dancing Who: Everyone Event: Cake, Bouquet toss & Garter toss, Open Dancing, Last Dance Event: GRAND EXIT Who: Wedding Party When: 9:40pm Event: End When: 9:45 Who: Everybody What: Music off, lights on. Event: Shuttles take guests back to When: 9:45pm Who: Everybody Hadlock fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Well the future in laws rescinded their offer of paying for the stationary which would have been ok (they're in a pinch because the other son's gf is pregnant and won't get paid during maternity leave and so they're loaning 5k to them) except that they didn't actually tell us until we mentioned getting reimbursed for the invites we had just ordered. Two months before the wedding. Would have been really nice to have been able to put this poo poo in the budget. gently caress. Guess we'll just have to take it out of the honeymoon fund. Edit: these timelines are great btw super helpful Guildenstern Mother fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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I recently got engaged, and I have an idea for a wedding ring, but I don't know of my idea is even possible, or what it might cost. I want to get a gemstone cut into the shape of a 20 sided die and affixed to a ring. I have found on etsy a design that I think is nice, though it is clearly a piece of costume jewellery (though I am not hating on costume jewellery). https://www.etsy.com/listing/685193394/tiny-metal-d20-ring?ref=yr_purchases Effectively, I want to do something similar to that, but with something nicer than metal for the die, and with a sturdier construction. A diamond (lab grown, cz, or alternative) or sapphire is what I'm thinking, but I am just starting this project, and am open to suggestion. Right now, this is just an idea that I'm not sure is even feasible, so I'm hoping for some guidance and understanding on what it might cost, and where to start my search. Imasalmon fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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https://offbeatbride.com/d20-engagement-ring/ That is as close as I could find to a d20 ring, that Etsy link is broken but I’m assuming you want it looking close to the one in this link. Going the custom route is probably your best bet, it’s probably cheaper than you’re expecting. Depends on how d20 you really want to go, I don’t know how recognizable that shape would be when it’s that small, especially with something that lets light through it. A diamond in that shape wouldn’t look like a d20 because they light would bounce around in it. Unless you want to etch the numbers into it too I suppose.
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https://www.etsy.com/listing/685193394/tiny-metal-d20-ring?ref=yr_purchases I have updated the link, so I hope it works. I definitely appreciate the feedback, and that ring is more wildly different than what I was thinking. That is a valid point about the diamond, and while it would be really cool to etch numbers on the stone, I think the shape is more important. Do you have any recommendations on where to look for getting that custom made? Also, any recommendations on which stone would work well with that shape would be appreciated.
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Imasalmon posted:https://www.etsy.com/listing/685193394/tiny-metal-d20-ring?ref=yr_purchases I do custom gemcutting (primarily sapphires) as well as goldsmithing, it would be pretty tough to get the numbers into the stone regardless of what type it is. Laser engraving is an option but I've never heard of custom engraving on a stone of that size (mostly it's ID numbers on the girdle of the stone). There are a few things to consider with this idea. Do you want the stone to be a full D20? Or do you want it to be half of the D20 on top of the ring? The former can be set like a traditional stone, but the latter is going to need something to hold the stone in place. Wearability wise, you should go sapphire or diamond. Spinel might work too, but it's going to be sticking up high enough off the ring that it will come in contact with a lot of things on a daily basis, which will wear on it over time. Even a sapphire will show wear eventually, especially if the stone is a full D20. Diamond would hold up better, but custom cutting of a diamond is a whole thing in itself. Price wise the full D20 is going to be considerably more expensive, unless you pick a material other than diamond or sapphire. You could pick other gem materials but expect to get them replaced or re cut eventually from all the wear.
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Claes Oldenburger posted:I do custom gemcutting (primarily sapphires) as well as goldsmithing, it would be pretty tough to get the numbers into the stone regardless of what type it is. Laser engraving is an option but I've never heard of custom engraving on a stone of that size (mostly it's ID numbers on the girdle of the stone). There are a few things to consider with this idea. Do you want the stone to be a full D20? Or do you want it to be half of the D20 on top of the ring? The former can be set like a traditional stone, but the latter is going to need something to hold the stone in place. Is custom moissanite a thing that would work here? Found this site https://www.moissanitebridal.com/how-to-design-a-custom-moissanite-engagemen Dunno how reputable they are but maybe they can help you out. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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So we've found what looks like our dream venue, but it has lock-in on the caterers. We've reached out to the caterers for quotes, and they're universally at least twice our budget. Is paying the waitstaff for a 9.5 hour day standard? Do we pay for this even if the wedding is shorter? Is it kosher to ask for fewer waitstaff/worse food?/etc to bring the cost down?
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Bored As gently caress posted:Is custom moissanite a thing that would work here? Yes custom moissanite would be a potential option. Moissanite is nice and hard at a 9.5 Moh's but does suffer from some chipping issues, so the wear still applies. Would stay nicer for longer though.
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Killingyouguy! posted:So we've found what looks like our dream venue, but it has lock-in on the caterers. We've reached out to the caterers for quotes, and they're universally at least twice our budget. Keep in mind the caterer shows up 1.5 hours before, unloads, sets up, does catering things, then does 1.5 hours tear down, loading up the truck, that's 3 hours of "unseen" work, plus they need two short and one long paid break, 4 hours right there. Having to choose from a list of approved vendors felt like a huge scam to me at first. But our venue was huge and any new vendors need training/orientation etc. A new vendor at a new-to-them site is going to have a lot of weird problems, compared to a vendor that's doing 2 events a month at that venue. That's how guests end up getting cold main entrees at dinner and warm beer. An experienced caterer is going to know the venue, how to time things correctly and have a good working relationship with the venue staff to get things done on time. Rates are always negotiable, especially if you have a Friday or Sunday wedding, that's free/extra revenue for them. We managed to negotiate, cumulatively for the entire wedding about a 30% discount by being off season (early May) and on a Friday. They're definitely going to be booked for a Saturday in June, so I wouldn't expect more than 10% off if at all
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TheKevman posted:So the missus and I finally hammered down our plan. We've been together for 7 years now and I proposed July 2017...and then promptly tore my rotator cuff and labrum and had to have a few centimeters of my clavicle shaved down. Wedding recap: Stuck to some of the stuff, but a lot changed (surprise!) A few things we didn't think of nearly enough in terms of extra expenses (bolded) along with final expenses on the other stuff: -Photography (holy poo poo!) ~$4,400 after it's all said and done (we got 5 of the really nice leather-bound photo books for parents, my best friends mom, and ourselves) -Dress alterations (done at the last second so we paid through the nose- she ordered her dress(es) from China and they got delayed in shipping and we only had a narrow time-frame) ~$550 -My suit (wasn't going to be originally a suit, but ended up doing it) $500 -Decorations it was pretty DIY so I feel like we saved overall and we got these awesome Boutonnieres and Boquets from this Etsy store that are preserved and made out of wood so they last forever, loving sweet (website here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/WoodlandFlowerCo). Also got some sweet lanterns for the centerpieces at Michael's crafts, some candelabras and LED candles online, an aisle runner with the quote "Even Death Can't Keep Us Apart" embossed on to it, and a bunch of other good stuff, ~$1,000 overall -Dinner ended up being $80/person x 39 (we live in Northern California and a few couples backed out because of the fires and the power outages) $3,300 + $300 additional gratuity because they were AWESOME -Ceremony ended up being $900, still a hell of a deal for what they did for us -Room was amazingly reasonable, they upgraded us to a 900sq ft suite with a monster soaking tub and charged us for Friday and Saturday night only, we were there Thurs-Mon. Total cost was $392 -Zombie Crawl Cups we ended up buying for 40, at $10 each on a pre-purchase deal, $400 The grand total for just the wedding ended up being just shy of $12,000, with a huge chunk of that being the photography. The pretentiousness of the photographers we spoke to prior to picking our guy was unreal. A few quoted us at 3,500...just to take the pictures. Then, in order to have pictures printed, we'd be looking at another 2-3k. One wouldn't even allow us to purchase a digital archive of the images for our own use because she "didn't believe in digital photography." Go gently caress yourself. We finally settled on a guy that we found through a recommendation from another photographer that we liked but was unavailable on the weekend. The guy we went with was phenomenal and while the photography was very expensive, he was reasonable compared to all the other quotes we had (About 9 hours of photography, a digital archive also on a USB thumb drive, 5 wedding albums printed out, $300 in print credit, etc). We couldn't have been happier with his service, but final impressions clearly have to wait until we get the results. The initial budget I projected (~$5500) would have been pretty close had we not decided to get fancy down the home stretch. The photography was something I hadn't really contemplated- I figured we'd hire someone from a local college or something and pay them $1,000 or so and do our own printing/book stuff, but I'm pretty glad we went with a pro. The dress alterations and my suit added a hidden $1,100, and the $1,000 in decorations that we hadn't initially discussed added up quickly. Overall, though, for a destination wedding of 45 people that went off without a hitch and lasted 4 days (instead of one, like almost all other weddings) and was absolutely a loving phenomenal time (15 or so people said they want to repeat next year for the zombie crawl weekend and make it a tradition because they had so much fun) I think we did really well. My parents ended up kicking down about half the total expenses of the wedding and hers kicked down just a little less. We ended up footing about $1500-$2000 in total expenses, and received about $9,000 in total contributions to our honeyfund, meaning we're only on the hook for about $3,500-$4,000 for our wedding and 3 week honeymoon through Australia and New Zealand. I'm more than ok with that List of recommendations (especially if you're thinking about getting married in Reno, NV) -Silver Legacy Hotel Seriously. I usually only stay at GSR, Atlantis, or Peppermill, and this was legitimately the first time we've stayed there. The level of hospitality was sensational. They took SUCH good care of us, my parents, and her parents. Complimentary champs sent to each of our room upon arrival, room service and any sort of alcohol delivery were 20 minutes or less every single time (after being told 30 or less) and the prices were so reasonable. Highly recommended as someone that works in service and has worked in 2 hotels. -Harrah's Steak House Honestly one of the best dinners we've ever had. The service was next level, as we've come to expect from the times we've been there. The table captains made sure that our head table had each course 5 minutes prior to the rest of the tables, but once they began service every single table got their stuff all at the same time. It was truly an amazing dinner, and they made us a custom zombie cake with blood spatter frosting as a free substitute for the desert option on the prefix menu. 5/5 would and will return. -Zombie Crawl Other than the felonies that took place past 2 am, an absolute blast. We all had a great time. Taking off November 12th for the honeymoon, glad we have a gap in between. I don't know how people do the wedding and then leave the next day for the honeymoon. Insane.
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I’ve been informed that if we skip the first dance we will both be immediately disowned from our respective mothers and presumably written out of wills so it looks like we’ll have to suffer through it
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Bored As gently caress posted:Is custom moissanite a thing that would work here? Ive heard from gemcutters that getting their hands on moissanite is actually really tough and that it cuts kind of weirdly. If you're super married to that idea I'd suggest getting into contact with facetors directly (like Claes!) for the gem and then getting a ring custom made from a jeweler. I wouldn't expect any "big" retailers to be able to do it tbh
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Thumbtacks posted:I’ve been informed that if we skip the first dance we will both be immediately disowned from our respective mothers and presumably written out of wills so it looks like we’ll have to suffer through it Just pick an incredibly ridiculous song to dance to. No one can argue with you, it's yalls song.
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couldcareless posted:Just pick an incredibly ridiculous song to dance to. No one can argue with you, it's yalls song. “Love and Marriage” seems like a good way to beat your crowd over the head with it. My clients look universally relieved when I offer to fade all special dances at 2/2.5 minutes in. Most couples don’t want to do any special dances (usually), but it does make for good photography. If your DJ/band is running effect lighting during the special dances feel free to punch them in the face. On vacation. I’ll put up my purported timeline of events once I’m back home.
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Xun posted:Ive heard from gemcutters that getting their hands on moissanite is actually really tough and that it cuts kind of weirdly. If you're super married to that idea I'd suggest getting into contact with facetors directly (like Claes!) for the gem and then getting a ring custom made from a jeweler. I wouldn't expect any "big" retailers to be able to do it tbh You are correct! Moissanite is a bit weird to find and when cut can change colour, either because the moissy has been treated or the heat from cutting causes a bit of a change. They can be turned back to white, but I have never done this process.
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Guildenstern Mother posted:My fiance tried to pull this poo poo, that suit better be custom made and baller as gently caress and also not a line item in the budget Oh it passes all these tests Got married, was great, suit looked great and I've already worn it again to another event so
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Thumbtacks posted:I’ve been informed that if we skip the first dance we will both be immediately disowned from our respective mothers and presumably written out of wills so it looks like we’ll have to suffer through it We told people our first dance was whatever came first on the playlist we downloaded. "When Doves Cry" was not your typical first dance song but people liked it. *"Fight the Power" didn't come on till later in the playlist. slinkimalinki fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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black.lion posted:Oh it passes all these tests Congrats! Hope you're enjoying being done with wedding stuff!
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Any thoughts on how many days we should take off immediately before or after the wedding? Getting married on a saturday in march at a place maybe 2 miles from where we live. We are definitely taikng off the Friday before for setup, but besides that I dont think there is any time we need to take off for?
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nesbit37 posted:Any thoughts on how many days we should take off immediately before or after the wedding? Getting married on a saturday in march at a place maybe 2 miles from where we live. We are definitely taikng off the Friday before for setup, but besides that I dont think there is any time we need to take off for? I would recommend an extra day beforehand as well as the Monday off, but that's me, it wasn't a lot of stress but the last minute stuff and the event itself wore me the gently caress out. Plus it will be nice to hang as a married couple for a day or two afterwards and just relax.
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Yeah, I'm torn on the time thing. Trying to save as many vacation and personal days as possible. Well, save isn't right, more like spend them elsewhere. I'm already starting to resent the wedding, and I don't want it to suck any more time from other things than it has to.
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We got married on the Friday and took off both Wednesday and Thursday, but we also had a travel day on the Thursday because our wedding was far away. We then enjoyed a relaxed weekend before going back to work on the Monday and it felt like enough time. If you don't need to travel very far I think taking just one day off before would be fine, and possibly one day after just so you can chill for a bit. We were both really tired for the day after the wedding and spent most of it sitting around in silence (bliss after a busy run-up and a busy day-of!)
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nesbit37 posted:Any thoughts on how many days we should take off immediately before or after the wedding? Getting married on a saturday in march at a place maybe 2 miles from where we live. We are definitely taikng off the Friday before for setup, but besides that I dont think there is any time we need to take off for? Depends how diy it is. If you have decorations to finish making or a lot of stuff to pick up you will need more days. If there's not that much diy stuff, a day or two should be fine. Also if anyone's getting hair done, nails done, eyelashes done etc. it all adds up to more time that needs to be slotted in somewhere.
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You're definitely gonna want to take off at least two days before, two days after. poo poo isn't gonna get done and then it's on you to do it before the wedding, then after the wedding (like, 60 minutes or less) people just evaporate and anything that needs cleaning up is on you. Plus you need some mental/emotional rest days. I'm an engineer and didn't buy into this, but definitely glad we took the week after the wedding off. Generally your boss will either give you an extra day to for free or let you take a couple days off without pay, look in to it. Worth it
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Thanks for the advice but I'm not going to take that much time off. I was just in germany two weeks to exhibit at a major show (for myself, not work) and just went back to work the day after I flew back despite knowing it would be hell because of trying to conserve vacation days. Also, no one at work knows I'm getting married, and large universities arent known for just tossing out bonus vacation days or time without pay. I'm thinking I may see if I can telecommute on monday or something in case we need to finish up getting stuff out of the venue (they let us do final pickup and stuff then) but am thinking that may be it. I would love to take more time, but this just isnt something I want to spend more time than I have to on. Prep for it has been a big enough suck as it is.
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