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IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
"Since we can't bomb you back to the stone age or install a fascist as dictator of your country, have you considered the rich and storied philosophy of pacifism?"

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I wonder what the Vietnamese have to say about China's history of pacifism?

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

That the Spratly Islands belong to Taiwan?

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wonder what the Vietnamese have to say about China's history of pacifism?

The 9 steps towards pacifism in the South China Sea, an e-book and Kickstarter by Carl Zha

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

eh nm

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wonder what the Vietnamese have to say about China's history of pacifism?

fuckers murdered a TON of pacifist Chinese activists nonviolently protesting against Vietnam's crushing of Cambodian communism

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011

Typo posted:

the chekists (rightfully) feared for their lives against outnumbered protesters attacking them with metal pipes and still showed enough restraint to only shoot the rightist in the shoulder

How many layers of irony do I have to dig through to understand this comment, or does this thread actually super love the taste of boots?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

GreyjoyBastard posted:

fuckers murdered a TON of pacifist Chinese activists nonviolently protesting against Vietnam's crushing of Cambodian communism

the Trưng Sisters had no chance against superior Chinese philosophy

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Xander B Coolridge posted:

How many layers of irony do I have to dig through to understand this comment, or does this thread actually super love the taste of boots?

Those boots are all that stand between the Chinese people and the fascist thugs running loose in Hong Kong.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021

uncop
Oct 23, 2010

Xander B Coolridge posted:

How many layers of irony do I have to dig through to understand this comment, or does this thread actually super love the taste of boots?

if you wouldn't enthusiastically spit-shine selfless proletarian work boots with your tongue, what are you even doing on this subforum?

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Lol. Are all cops bad if some cops are communists? :thunk:

I'm so confuse

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Look, if you had a proper scientific understanding of the political economy of the PRC you'd understand that its cops, like its billionaires, are actually good. Look up Jason Unruhe on youtube.

IWW Online Branch has issued a correction as of 07:36 on Oct 2, 2019

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

nobody thinks the billionaires are "good," dipshit

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

R. Guyovich posted:

nobody thinks the billionaires are "good," dipshit

I don't know man Robin Li is a snacc

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

R. Guyovich posted:

nobody thinks the billionaires are "good," dipshit

Now I realize you only pop in here every couple of weeks to post a one liner or emptyquote an old non sequitur, so let me catch you up: the tankies in here think billionaires who wear red are very very good, actually.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Bloodnose posted:

Now I realize you only pop in here every couple of weeks to post a one liner or emptyquote an old non sequitur, so let me catch you up: the tankies in here think billionaires who wear red are very very good, actually.

In terms of "China still has billionaires", the usual rebuttals usually run the course of

* yes but they occasionally get prosecuted
* yes but they're a temporary necessity to build up the forces of production
* yes but capital is still subservient to the Chinese state

now, even as I write that I suppose it does sound like I'm making excuses, especially since the "hope" is that some day eventually the PRC is going to round them all up and expropriate their wealth and assets, and that the only thing that might even mildly suggest that that could ever happen is the corruption case every once in a while and maybe if you assume that all the asset off-shoring is because those folks are trying to bail out of a sinking ship before Xi executes Order 66

but I don't think it means that billionaires are considered "good", ideologically speaking

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Which billionaires are wearing red?

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Which billionaires are wearing red?

As we learned yesterday, XI wears black.

Or flood pants

Xander B Coolridge posted:

How many layers of irony do I have to dig through to understand this comment, or does this thread actually super love the taste of boots?

Please go back 4 pages when people were creaming their capitalist blue jeans over a military parade

GoutPatrol has issued a correction as of 08:37 on Oct 2, 2019

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


gradenko_2000 posted:

* yes but capital is still subservient to the Chinese state

they literally are the state

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/business/china-parliament-billionaires.html

NY Times posted:

BEIJING — In a country where the Communist Party makes all the big decisions, Chinese lawmakers hold very little political power. But they have plenty of money — $650 billion of it — and that’s growing.

According to the Hurun Report, a research organization in Shanghai that tracks the wealthy in China, the net worth of the 153 members of China’s Parliament and its advisory body that it deems “super rich” amounts to $650 billion, up by nearly a third from a year ago. That is just a touch below Switzerland’s annual economic output.

While President Xi Jinping has pledged to close the income gap and alleviate poverty, the wealth of the nation’s lawmakers has kept soaring. In 2017, it topped $500 billion, more than doubling from the year before. The surge in wealth reflects the strength of the Chinese economy, which grew 6.9 percent in 2017, and stock markets all over the world.

Delegates to Parliament, or the National People’s Congress, rubber-stamp most of the policies set out by the party’s leadership and are expected to approve Mr. Xi’s plan to scrap term limits and allow him to rule indefinitely when they meet in Beijing next week. But the gathering provides businesspeople with an opportunity to hobnob with one another. The title of delegate also gives them extra cachet in making business deals.

The number of billionaires in China’s legislature could contribute to the perception that the government is out of touch in a country where disposable income per capita was just over $4,000 in 2017. But many Chinese are proud of how quickly the ranks are growing. China added 210 billionaires over the past year — about four a week — 40 percent more than the United States, according to a separate list of the global rich by Hurun.

The wealthiest lawmaker is also China’s richest person, Pony Ma, whose net worth is $47 billion. He is the founder of Tencent, which owns WeChat, a social media mobile app that is indispensable in Chinese life. Tencent is now valued at $540 billion, more than Facebook.

Mr. Ma was trailed by Xu Jiayin, the chairman of the property developer Evergrande Group, whose net worth is $41 billion. Mr. Xu was China’s richest person in 2017, according to Hurun.

Other Chinese property developers also dominated the list. Lee Ka-kit, vice chairman of Henderson Land Development, is worth $34 billion, while the net worth of Country Garden Group’s founder, Yang Guoqiang, reached $32 billion.

The fortunes of China’s entrepreneurs have changed significantly since the Communist Party, which was founded to work for the interests of workers and stamp out capitalism, welcomed businesspeople into the party more than a decade ago. About 20 percent of the nearly 3,000 delegates to Parliament are businesspeople, according to government news media.

Victor Shih, an associate professor at the University of California, San Diego, and an expert on money and politics in China, said that being a member of the National People’s Congress “affords a considerable protection for the wealthy.”

“If you’re part of the NPC, you become a state cadre, and so the local police can’t arrest you easily without cause,” he said, referring to the congress.

“That’s not the case for a wealthy person who has no affiliation with the Chinese government, and wealth becomes very vulnerable to predatory action by a local government.”

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Both Jack Ma and the Tencent guy are retiring, in case you think CCP can't control its billionaires.

uncop
Oct 23, 2010

GoutPatrol posted:

Please go back 4 pages when people were creaming their capitalist blue jeans over a military parade

The Chinese used to know better how to parade a Xi.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


uncop posted:

The Chinese used to know better how to parade a Xi.



shame they werent more successful

Wikileaks posted:

22. (C) Xi is a true "elitist" at heart, according to the professor, and believes that rule by a dedicated and committed Communist Party leadership is the key to enduring social stability and national strength, as in the (self-perceived) elite-dominated society of his youth, knit together by family ties, elders and male authority. After years of conversations with Xi, and having shared a common upbringing with him, the professor said, he is convinced that Xi has a genuine sense of "entitlement," believing that members of his generation are the "legitimate heirs" to the revolutionary achievements of their parents and therefore "deserve to rule China." For this reason, the professor maintained, Xi could never be a "true member" of current President Hu Jintao's camp, even if Xi did not give any indication of opposition to Hu Jintao now. Xi and other first-generation princelings derisively refer to people with non-Party, non-elite, commercial backgrounds like Hu Jintao as "shopkeepers' sons," whose parents did not fight and die for the revolution and therefore do not deserve positions of power.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


the parliament has over 3,000 members.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Bloodnose posted:

Now I realize you only pop in here every couple of weeks to post a one liner or emptyquote an old non sequitur, so let me catch you up: the tankies in here think billionaires who wear red are very very good, actually.

post proof of this or get probated. i'm sick of your poo poo

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

R. Guyovich posted:

the parliament has over 3,000 members.

you're saying because the number of billionaires in the communist government is diluted a little bit it doesn't count

Members include Jackie Chan and Yao Ming, some of China's better film directors like Feng Xiaogang, Chen Kaige and Jie Jiangke, some big name actors, novelists, singers, etc. And also a lot of kids of famous people. People are well aware its membership can be a bit of a joke, famous and wealthy people secretly campaign to get in because being on it looks patriotic keeping them safer, and the government is happy to keep powerful people feeling that working with the government is better than working to undermine it, especially for second generation wealthy and famous.

The majority are real politicians its true though, and the thing is they are by-in-large wealthy, old, han, male, party members. wow

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Modest Mao posted:

you're saying because the number of billionaires in the communist government is diluted a little bit it doesn't count

Members include Jackie Chan and Yao Ming, some of China's better film directors like Feng Xiaogang, Chen Kaige and Jie Jiangke, some big name actors, novelists, singers, etc. And also a lot of kids of famous people. People are well aware its membership can be a bit of a joke, famous and wealthy people secretly campaign to get in because being on it looks patriotic keeping them safer, and the government is happy to keep powerful people feeling that working with the government is better than working to undermine it, especially for second generation wealthy and famous.

The majority are real politicians its true though, and the thing is they are by-in-large wealthy, old, han, male, party members. wow

it's literally less than 1 percent. in what universe is this "diluted a little bit"

and the number has been steadily decreasing with each successive npc/cppcc national committee. it used to be well over twice that number.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Modest Mao posted:

Members include Jackie Chan and Yao Ming, some of China's better film directors like Feng Xiaogang, Chen Kaige and Jie Jiangke, some big name actors, novelists, singers, etc. And also a lot of kids of famous people. People are well aware its membership can be a bit of a joke, famous and wealthy people secretly campaign to get in because being on it looks patriotic keeping them safer, and the government is happy to keep powerful people feeling that working with the government is better than working to undermine it, especially for second generation wealthy and famous.

No no, Jackie Chan etc are members of the CPPCC, the figurehead companion body to the figurehead National People’s Congress, you idiot, you moron, you absolute buffoon.

Though lol at R. Guyovich unironically defending the inclusion of the #1 and #2 richest men in China in its main legislative body as proper vanguard representatives of the vast socialist masses

Porfiriato has issued a correction as of 14:06 on Oct 2, 2019

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

gently caress the police


also gently caress you

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Getting real loving mad about China grahhh

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Bro Dad posted:

shame they werent more successful
he did some successful self-crit

Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?

R. Guyovich posted:

it's literally less than 1 percent. in what universe is this "diluted a little bit"

and the number has been steadily decreasing with each successive npc/cppcc national committee. it used to be well over twice that number.

You know when it used to be a lot less


Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
tfw this could be a cool thread but the Liberals won't stop posting :smith:

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Known Lecher posted:

No no, Jackie Chan etc are members of the CPPCC, the figurehead companion body to the figurehead National People’s Congress, you idiot, you moron, you absolute buffoon.


ayo gently caress, well inside both of these bodies there's too many billionaires

Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 14:45 on Oct 2, 2019

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

is it that really that hard for some people to wrap their heads around the fact that more than one country, and indeed most of the ones in the world, can be awful

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
China, you heard it hear first, you're loving cancelled

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
The National Congress doesn't matter. If you use it use it to aid your argument you are an idiot and should go back to r/China.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Frijolero posted:

China, you heard it hear first, you're loving cancelled

very problematic

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Love 2 repackage my Liberal jingoism as socialist woke scolding. Very neat and fun to read trick

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

maybe if this were D&D you'd have a point about everyone being libs

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