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Barry Foster posted:You lived around the triangle? Had you eaten a banker at that point? I had a dingy little flat that I rented that took a lot out of my pay, but being able to walk to the zoo, suspension bridge and the downs was amazing. I also used to be a pretty important computer toucher before I had a drastic life change, switched to a less stressful career and smile like Kirby on a daily basis.  I miss Brizzle a ton though! 23 A number that terrifies Jim Carrey!
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That sounds perfectly reasonable if the final deal is basically just a pillowy soft Brexit, which would mean he has completely and totally caved and abandoned his base in both the party and membership. Which doesn't seem likely.
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Tesseraction posted:Graun just posted the backstop alternative letter Johnson sent to the EU, the key page:
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So it's literally the May Deal but with some handwaviness about "democracy", presumably meaning that they'll do some kind of referendum in NI? AFAICT that just means "Stormont can deal with it" the fact that Stormont currently couldn't agree on whether to breathe oxygen presumably doesn't bother Johnson in the slightest
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Pictured: Boris Johnson gearing up to shitpost on the internet "drat left wing" Is that a picture of himself on that mug
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PlantHead posted:"drat left wing" Yes, of course it is.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:That sounds perfectly reasonable if the final deal is basically just a pillowy soft Brexit, which would mean he has completely and totally caved and abandoned his base in both the party and membership. Which doesn't seem likely. The final deal - I wonder if his current plan is - backstop, election, claim we're out of EU, fake more negotiations, reneged on backstop.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Link please, that sounds interesting. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dc8vmb/third_generation_pharmacist_with_27_years/ Only the one answer so far, so not sure if things will pick up.
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Julio Cruz posted:the fact that Stormont currently couldn't agree on whether to breathe oxygen presumably doesn't bother Johnson in the slightest
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I still don’t get why people are so certain election reporting restrictions will turn things around for Corbyn. It didn’t happen in the Euro elections and I’m not convinced it happened in 2017. Corbyn did get an increase in popularity during the campaign but May ran a terrible campaign. Everything that could go wrong for her went wrong.
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marktheando posted:I still don’t get why people are so certain election reporting restrictions will turn things around for Corbyn. the rules aren't implemented for euro elections?
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Tesseraction posted:Graun just posted the backstop alternative letter Johnson sent to the EU, the key page: lol what a surprise marktheando posted:I still don’t get why people are so certain election reporting restrictions will turn things around for Corbyn. that was a factor for sure, but she was polling high before despite being the same useless tory oval office she was during the election. People connected with the Lab manifesto, they recognised an alternative when the press had to actually report what Labour were doing, they don't need to do that in the EU elections
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my concern about people saying it was the labour manifesto that was successful is that people forget how disastrous the tory manifesto was
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Jose posted:the rules aren't implemented for euro elections? Yes they are.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1179404545698516992 lol if Johnson did a switcheroo with what he told them was his proposal and what his actual proposal was
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Jose posted:my concern about people saying it was the labour manifesto that was successful is that people forget how disastrous the tory manifesto was taxing the terminally ill is tory.txt and forever will be.
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The Euro elections aren't necessarily representative - UKIP dominated in 2014 and then lost one of their two seats in 2015. European elections are always seen as protest votes and the Lib Dems are the protestiest of protest votes.
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Barry Foster posted:You lived around the triangle? Had you eaten a banker at that point? I had a room in a shared flat in the triangle for 450PCM (excl bills) at one point. Mind you that was quite a few years back.
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Jose posted:my concern about people saying it was the labour manifesto that was successful is that people forget how disastrous the tory manifesto was
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Channel 4 posted:Visitors to the executive suites floor of the Midland Hotel in Manchester, where the government’s top people held court this week, have been told there is already an expectation that we will soon be in the next phase of this crisis: Boris Johnson refusing to sign the letter requesting a Brexit delay as required by the Benn Act.
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Comrade Fakename posted:lol it’s just the backstop with a different name. it's the backstop but with the ability to opt out of it (even before it goes into effect) which makes it not a backstop at all
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Tesseraction posted:The Euro elections aren't necessarily representative - UKIP dominated in 2014 and then lost one of their two seats in 2015. European elections are always seen as protest votes and the Lib Dems are the protestiest of protest votes. Normally true but this next general election will be all about Brexit.
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the rules are important because it means that Labour and the Tories have to be given equal time which means that the time the media give over to Tories yelling incoherently about Jeremy StalinHitlerVenezuela Corbyn has to be matched with Labour holding big events where they launch popular new policies
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the real reason the dup don't give a poo poo about boris' plan being may's https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1179399044638085127 also lol https://twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/1179410035367133187?s=20
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marktheando posted:Normally true but this next general election will be all about Brexit. Absolutely, but recall too that the Lib Dems campaigned in 2017 on a "second referendum to stop Brexit" message and performed mildly tepid dogshit instead of the boiled dogshit of 2015. It benefits them but a single defining policy in a general election can seem hollow. Plus Tim Farron was a car crash in interviews and it seems Jo Swinson has similar performance.
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1179404545698516992 I think someone upthread pointed this out - and it's strange the FT guy doesn't - but points 3 and 5 seem contradictory (or at least incompatible) more or less by definition. The letter says "this zone would eliminate all regulatory checks for trade in goods between Northern Ireland and Ireland by ensuring that goods regulations in Northern Ireland are the same as those in the rest of the EU," but yet it ALSO says: "under these arrangements Northern Ireland will be fully part of the UK customs territory, not the EU Customs Union....Control of trade policy is fundamental to our future vision." How having the same "goods regulation" is compatible with divergence from the rules of the Customs Union is...unclear. It looks like there's some real semantic shuffling going on to try and justify this bullshit
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Tesseraction posted:The Euro elections aren't necessarily representative - UKIP dominated in 2014 and then lost one of their two seats in 2015. European elections are always seen as protest votes and the Lib Dems are the protestiest of protest votes. Probably more relevant Is that on current standings, if Labour a run a more effective campaign than 2017 _and_ the polls are wronger than they were then, that means that Labour will be perhaps be able to limit the loss of seats to two digits. There is a reason the Tories are keen on the early election that all opposition parties are trying to delay. Optimism is useful, but you have to base your optimism on reality to avoid it becoming delusion.
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radmonger posted:Probably more relevant Is that on current standings, if Labour a run a more effective campaign than 2017 _and_ the polls are wronger than they were then, that means that Labour will be perhaps be able to limit the loss of seats to two digits. There is a reason the Tories are keen on the early election that all opposition parties are trying to delay. not today, satan
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radmonger posted:Probably more relevant Is that on current standings, if Labour a run a more effective campaign than 2017 _and_ the polls are wronger than they were then, that means that Labour will be perhaps be able to limit the loss of seats to two digits. There is a reason the Tories are keen on the early election that all opposition parties are trying to delay. Basing thoughts on reality is a good idea and you should try it some time
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I read it as: we agree to an Irish Sea border, but Stormont can reject this, in which case NI crashes out instantly if they reject implementation, or after a year if it is not reapproved every 4 years.
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Radmonger do you actually vote for (new) labour or are you just a lib dem with a big interest in the labour leadership
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Julio Cruz posted:the rules are important because it means that Labour and the Tories have to be given equal time As I said this didn't help at all in the Euro elections. I think people know Corbyn by this point, two years later, you aren't going to get such a dramatic turnaround again. I'm not making actual predictions here though, with all the vote splitting on the centre and the right I think this election will be pretty much impossible to predict.
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radmonger posted:Probably more relevant Is that on current standings, if Labour a run a more effective campaign than 2017 _and_ the polls are wronger than they were then, that means that Labour will be perhaps be able to limit the loss of seats to two digits. There is a reason the Tories are keen on the early election that all opposition parties are trying to delay. Hey quick thing, why aren't you responding to any of the justified critique of your "boots" commentary?
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Rust Martialis posted:I read it as: we agree to an Irish Sea border, but Stormont can reject this, in which case NI crashes out instantly if they reject implementation, or after a year if it is not reapproved every 4 years. Lol that people still treat the absolute shite that falls out of Boris' mouth as being serious foreign policy proposals and not just stupid lies for domestic consumption
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Guavanaut posted:Has anyone called them out on their current manifesto of "lots more nice things, lower taxes, deficit reduction, all at the same time"? Of course not since the Tories are the party of "hard choices". Also, lol @ that "new" backstop which manages to be both substantially the same as the old one while also managing to be even worse and self contradictory.
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Josef bugman posted:Hey quick thing, why aren't you responding to any of the justified critique of your "boots" commentary? Much like an old boot, that argument had a lot of holes in it, and radmonger was getting dunked, so the logical course of action was for him to discard the boots and never speak of them again
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