LionArcher posted:

These forums will fall over themselves to praise chappo and dis the Pod save crew, but it’s funny how they both are the same thing really. One just is wearing goth clothing and edgier, but are in fact the same thing.

Pirate Radar posted:

The Crooked set operates in a semblance of reality yeah but intentionally or not they definitely remember 2008-2016 in a way that’s favorable to their own narrative, up to and including saying demonstrably false things. I think they’re worth listening to if they have interesting guests on (Lovett or Leave It has funny people and actors from TV shows you might like, for instance) but all the Crooked hosts are very comfortable in the center-left space they inhabit and have little interest in leaving it. Also ymmv on this but 3 of them are like, the same person so you might have to pay close attention to remember who’s talking.

BiggerBoat posted:

We need an emote that goes "Soooorrrrr-OOOOHS!!! that shakes it's fist or something.

How are u posted:

I dunno. I listen to 538 and several Crooked shows and I find them a pretty solid way to keep up with the day to day. They certainly operate in a semblance of reality, unlike right-wing radio.

My partner has sirius xm radio in her car and occasionally we put on the left leaning Progress station which really is talk radio and I just can't get into that.

BiggerBoat posted:

I'm old enough to remember when it happened and what Perot really represented at his core was nothing much more than a third option that seemed to be making sense from a business standpoint in ways that were easily communicated to us through USA Today charts and graphics and poo poo. His popularity was (rightfully) a reaction to a "jesus christ, THESE are the 2 smartest people in the county?" and that wasn't wrong. It's still not. This country desperately needs third or fourth parties and a shift towards a more parliamentary system or something close to it. Ross had the money to fund his own campaign was all.

He preceded Trump in a way as a "common sense" outsider but, more importantly, allowed an option for a choice beyond the binary.

And lets face it, once we get down to the final two choices it's usually pretty bleak and folks are rightfully frustrated with it. The only time in my life I voted for anyone with anything resembling excitement or real enthusiasm was Obama in 08 (less so in 2012) and then, a week later, was introduced to his cabinet that was the furthest thing from hope and change I could think of. That balloon popped fast and made me sorry I had donated to his campaign and volunteered for him. I felt ripped off and conned.

Perot wasn't crazy and wasn't even wrong about a lot of things but once he trotted Admiral Stockdale out there on the national stage in the VP debate he showed how in over his head he was and it sunk his campaign.

In my lifetime, since I have been eligible to vote, my "choices" for President have had the names "Bush" or "Clinton" on my ballot 6 out of 8 times . That's frustrating and depressing and also a huge reason why Trump won.

Munin posted:

They also channel the spirit of a large part of the democratic party establishment which is also useful to keep up with.

PJOmega posted:

Local (Pacific Northwest) shitbrick Lars Larson decided that it's actually paid internships that are unfair to workers and all internships should be unpaid. He expanded that to say that job training should be unpaid as well for the first month after you are hired. When his caller rightly said that most companies don't really get employees up to speed for three months he agreed and expanded his "no pay" period to three months or until the new hire "proves competency," whichever is longer.

That's right, 3 months unpaid labor and then payment only at the whim of your employer.

His caller was trying to very patiently explain that you pay employees during training because they're learning to work your business and his rebuttal was "then schools should pay you to train you and lemme tell you every class I've ever taken I had to pay for so why are businesses different?" Then he hung up on the caller.

Why in the hell do working people give these idiots the time of day? Dreaming of eventually not paying employees cuz you'll definitely be part of the over class?

PJOmega posted:

Local (Pacific Northwest) shitbrick Lars Larson decided that it's actually paid internships that are unfair to workers and all internships should be unpaid. He expanded that to say that job training should be unpaid as well for the first month after you are hired. When his caller rightly said that most companies don't really get employees up to speed for three months he agreed and expanded his "no pay" period to three months or until the new hire "proves competency," whichever is longer.

That's right, 3 months unpaid labor and then payment only at the whim of your employer.

His caller was trying to very patiently explain that you pay employees during training because they're learning to work your business and his rebuttal was "then schools should pay you to train you and lemme tell you every class I've ever taken I had to pay for so why are businesses different?" Then he hung up on the caller.

Why in the hell do working people give these idiots the time of day? Dreaming of eventually not paying employees cuz you'll definitely be part of the over class?

HootTheOwl posted:

Today Dennis Prager (of PragerU, but this was his radio show) was having a normal one and had on a guest explaining the rise of sexbots and why it was because of atheism.
The segment had a content warning, where he told parents to decide if they wanted their teenagers listening.

HootTheOwl posted:

Today Dennis Prager (of PragerU, but this was his radio show) was having a normal one and had on a guest explaining the rise of sexbots and why it was because of atheism.
The segment had a content warning, where he told parents to decide if they wanted their teenagers listening.

Spun Dog posted:

Maybe they just can't get enough of his smug, self-righteous delivery.

HootTheOwl posted:

Today Dennis Prager (of PragerU, but this was his radio show) was having a normal one and had on a guest explaining the rise of sexbots and why it was because of atheism.
The segment had a content warning, where he told parents to decide if they wanted their teenagers listening.

ManBoyChef posted:

sorry about the double post I am new to this.

This is exactly how I felt about Obama. I was really taken in by the hope and change thing because we really need it after the Bush administration. Right when I saw his cabinet and I realized the donors chose it I felt so let down. I actually think if Warren gets the nomination as the compromise candidate she is going to pull an Obama on us.

Angry_Ed posted:

Fox news sheds some deadweight:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1179467041973182464

pookel posted:

I've been dunked on for saying good things about Warren here before, but I had the same reaction to Obama and there are some crucial differences. It's true that she's a center-left technocrat and policy wonk, and that she's not strong on foreign policy. But - she has been 100% consistent in fighting corporate overreach & the excesses of capitalism. This is her strong suit, it wasn't Obama's. She already has dedicated policy teams writing up proposals to tax the wealthy more and break up big companies - I don't see any reason to think she's going to suddenly throw all that out the window if she gets elected.

ManBoyChef posted:

This is exactly how I felt about Obama. I was really taken in by the hope and change thing because we really need it after the Bush administration. Right when I saw his cabinet and I realized the donors chose it I felt so let down. I actually think if Warren gets the nomination as the compromise candidate she is going to pull an Obama on us. I find myself worried that the DNC and MSM is going to try to ram through Biden by giving him a lot of media coverage and not publicizing his mistakes. Bernie has gotten very little time on tv and its usually negative. They know what they are doing.

PJOmega posted:

Local (Pacific Northwest) shitbrick Lars Larson decided that it's actually paid internships that are unfair to workers and all internships should be unpaid. He expanded that to say that job training should be unpaid as well for the first month after you are hired. When his caller rightly said that most companies don't really get employees up to speed for three months he agreed and expanded his "no pay" period to three months or until the new hire "proves competency," whichever is longer.

That's right, 3 months unpaid labor and then payment only at the whim of your employer.

His caller was trying to very patiently explain that you pay employees during training because they're learning to work your business and his rebuttal was "then schools should pay you to train you and lemme tell you every class I've ever taken I had to pay for so why are businesses different?" Then he hung up on the caller.

Why in the hell do working people give these idiots the time of day? Dreaming of eventually not paying employees cuz you'll definitely be part of the over class?

HootTheOwl posted:

Today Dennis Prager (of PragerU, but this was his radio show) was having a normal one and had on a guest explaining the rise of sexbots and why it was because of atheism.
The segment had a content warning, where he told parents to decide if they wanted their teenagers listening.

Jurgan posted:

Obama ran as a negotiator who could bring the parties together. Warren’s running as a populist who’ll fight against the moneyed interests. It made sense that he would try to chart some middle path based on his philosophy of governance in a way it wouldn’t for Warren. And personally I don’t mind the idea of compromising, except it took him way too long to realize the GOP was acting in bad faith which led to a lot of wasted time and lopsided deals.

MrUnderbridge posted:

So Trump just admitted on live tv that he pressured Ulraine to investigate the Bidens, and added that China should too.

Has he gone completely around the bend?

BiggerBoat posted:

Well, he's not wrong

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1179424029838647298?s=21

Lycus posted:

Lycus posted:

Mr Interweb posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40sJOkxnac

so this is a good video, but i wanted to focus on one specific detail that's part of a larger, broader issue. the episode, 'homer's enemy' was written by some right-wing libertarian dude. this, many would not find surprising given what the theme of the episode is, that lazy, incompetent leeches like homer are get rewarded with massive riches (relatively speaking), but hardworking, salt of the earth people like frank grimes get the shaft.

now, the thing is, when i initially saw the episode as a kid, i did agree that at the very least homer should have been fired for his incompetence and complete lack of knowledge in the field that he works in, years ago. but that being said, i still felt that the BAD guy in this episode, was supposed to be grimes. he was petty, vindictive, and tried his best to get homer fired and humiliated. it wasn't just cause homer was legitimately bad at his job. no, the breaking point was when he realized how GOOD homer had it compared to him.

but with the revelation that this episode was written by someone who no doubt identifies with grimes, i can't help but feel that, the intent of the episode was to show that it was actually homer was the bad guy, and grimes the good. this is very reminiscient to me of the trailer for the first atlas shrugged film where i couldn't tell who the good guy was supposed to be, because everyone acted like a drat cartoon villain. this is how conservative media is. or also, like that scene from the sword of truth series where the hero kills an 8 year old girl, and you're supposed to see it as a heroic act.

now, i don't know if grimes getting KILLED was a reasonable punishment, but it seems pretty clear that the writer wanted the audience to sympathize with him as a tragic figure, a victim of leftism gone mad.