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Yeah, that's the main thrust of the next meeting which is why I'm going to try again. e: catte 
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 This is that group of paid sign holders and crowd standers the Tories bussed around the country before the brexit vote isn't it.
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Pesky Splinter posted:
That's not unrealistic. As long as there's Tory boot in 10 Libdems will have reasons to go there.
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Oct 3, 2019 05:50
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Absolute lol that the Lib Dems are having a fever dream about getting a majority, but they're literally just aiming for the slimmest round figure that would constitute one.
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During their conference, I figured that they were going full-on with the usual rhetoric as a way of trying to get rich donors on board. If they're now asking for Nigerian prince amounts of money from their own members, we can probably assume that the other part of their plan didn't go so well. That said, if there are Lib Dem members who give up £100/month so that Chuka can spend the next few months on a
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What's the lib dem manifesto like? Has anyone seen it?
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Oct 3, 2019 07:19
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What's the lib dem manifesto like? Has anyone seen it? www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto
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Oct 3, 2019 07:35
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E; ^^^ lmaoBobby Deluxe posted:Just my big brained take, but I think ironically throwing in with Corbyn as caretaker PM, showing a united anti-Tory front, going hard after Tory marginals and ending up in opposition against a Labour government (or in a Lib/Lab coalition after showing it can be done with the caretaker arrangement) and building from there is about the only way the pissbirds could exit this mess with any kind of credibility. I agree with this pretty much fully. If I were them - and thank God I am not - the game I would play would be A) Support Corbyn as interim PM so we can get No Deal completely off the table. No fannying about, explicitly take marching orders on the plan for this from Jezza. Would do wonders for the appearance of actually opposing brexit and putting country before party. B) Form an electoral pact going into the General to help make sure non-brexiteers win in any relevant marginals. C) Domestic issues as normal, but message discipline on Brexit that supports the overall plan until after the election. D) Once we get to 2ref then campaign for remain, but for Christ's sake, say you'll accept the referendum result rather than insisting you'll revoke no matter what. E) Use this record of cooperation and trustworthiness to start rehabilitating the party's image from the coalition and maybe actually be able to make real gains in another election or two. But of course, a strategy like that would involve something other than being a piss coloured tory, and oppositing Corbyn more than Brexit. Also having some courage. I suppose if they are looking at the polling they will be thinking they are doing well with their current plans, but I reckon it'll be a massive house of cards. And anyway as has been repeatedly observed ITT, an election before brexit means that Joris and the tories are in total disarray, whilst one after brexit means it's not an issue anymore.
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mehall posted:Absolute lol that the Lib Dems are having a fever dream about getting a majority, but they're literally just aiming for the slimmest round figure that would constitute one. They know they can't. They'll only be working about eighty seats max. It's all just rhetoric to suck folk in. Also see 'Cleggmania'.
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Oct 3, 2019 07:46
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That plan sounds way too complicated. They should just make an agreement with Boris to allow no-deal brexit in exchange for an increase in tuition fees
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Oct 3, 2019 07:48
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I have a sudden feeling of dread about this rebranding of May's deal - I think all of the hype about no-deal might just be enough to make enough melts in Parliament flip to get it through, and the EU haven't immediately said "gently caress off".
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Oct 3, 2019 08:13
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Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories?
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Oct 3, 2019 08:16
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The lib dems/swinson not only actually believe they can do a macron, they think that's a good thing. Or they are trying to grab funding with the same cynical trick they use in all their literature of claiming an impossible thing to be possible
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Oct 3, 2019 08:21
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https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1179655141487710210 thread as it were
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OwlFancier posted:Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories? It's also still a transitional arrangement which means a banging VONC which makes Corbyn PM means no Tory Brexit.
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OwlFancier posted:Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories? Also it means Farage would absolutely be going into a GE calling Johnson a betraying little poo poo and we do enjoy the rightwing vote being split.
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Oct 3, 2019 08:28
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OwlFancier posted:Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories? Like I say I don't think it does gently caress them - Johnson gets to pretend like he's "Got Brexit done" and all his mates in the press back him up. The vast majority of voters will go along with that story, IMO.
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feedmegin posted:Also it means Farage would absolutely be going into a GE calling Johnson a betraying little poo poo and we do enjoy the rightwing vote being split. Once Brexit in some form happens, the Tories are going to rally around the tory flag again. If there is an election, it probably won't be until they do some shady boundary reforms to make sure they win (they were going to've done this already but it got put back).
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OwlFancier posted:Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories?
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Oct 3, 2019 08:36
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Tarnop posted:I'm going to try to go to our next local canvassing meeting, but last time I tried I had a panic attack at my own front door and blacked out so who knows Priority #1 is taking care of yourself. If you can't get to a meeting because you need to deal with your own poo poo then that is the most important activism you can do.
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jBrereton posted:Once Brexit in some form happens, the Tories are going to rally around the tory flag again. If there is an election, it probably won't be until they do some shady boundary reforms to make sure they win (they were going to've done this already but it got put back). I don't think the boundary reforms will happen this parliament. It fucks over Labour more but some tories would vote against it because they'd lose their seats too. Party before country, self before party.
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Oct 3, 2019 08:40
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Pilchenstein posted:Bloody southerner Life has moved on... there is now the Doorstep "App" (it's not really an App, it's a web page). We have had a couple of training sessions on it in my CLP. Those who canvas (I don't, I have other roles) have used it and have got the hang of it now. Tarnop posted:I'm going to try to go to our next local canvassing meeting, but last time I tried I had a panic attack at my own front door and blacked out so who knows There are other ways of helping. Does your CLP have a facebook wrangler for example? And even rarer - someone who knows how to work snapchat or instagram for da yoof! Or, as Owl says, leafleting (though take a long ruler to push leaflets through letterboxes without getting your fingers trapped). Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Oct 3, 2019 08:40
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There was talk of boundary reforms during May's premiereship and they were scrapped without much hassle. It's not the kind of thing you can push through when you've got a weak majority.
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Oct 3, 2019 08:41
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Any more details about the Glasgow goonmeet? It's Saturday, right?
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Oct 3, 2019 08:51
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Rarity posted:a weak majority Labour - 246 Independent - 35 Scottish National Party - 35 Liberal Democrat - 18 Democratic Unionist Party - 10 Sinn Féin - 7 The Independent Group for Change Group United Kingdom - 5 Plaid Cymru - 4 Green Party - 1 Speaker - 1 Total number of seats - 650 Working Government Majority - 0 lm ao
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TACD posted:It would break Boris’ perfect streak of failure as PM, he’d spend the rest of his life crowing that he passed the one vote that mattered All the people that like Boris (I.e. hard brexiteers) will hate him for passing a deal that'll get branded by Farage etc. as a Fake Brexit
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Oct 3, 2019 09:02
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And I don't think he's gonna get the people he fired back, he pissed them off too much.
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Guavanaut posted:Total number of seats - 650 I was talking about May's majority but yes, also this
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I've emailed my CLP campaign organiser to see if there's anything else I can do, cheers all
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Big lols if there's a silver lining to having more frothing, rabid maniacs in favour of hard Brexit compared to remain.
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OwlFancier posted:Would that necessarily be the worst outcome? It's a poo poo arrangement that everyone hates but as far as I can remember it doesn't immediately kill everyone and it takes the issue off the table while loving the tories? This lasts until 31st Dec 2020, at which point we can either extend the interrim ONCE or we leave completely. So essentially Liz Truss spends a year banging on about pork markets, de Pfeffel de Pfaffs about and does nothing until the new deadline and then immediately sells the nhs and goes turbo austerity. Not only are we still subject to most of the laws of the EU after morons think we've 'left' (so right wing brexit betrayal violence Nige can capitalise on), sectarian violence in NI also explodes and hilariously, it doesn't even solve the tax dodging issue behind Rees-Mogg et al going hard on Brexit, so all of the companies still leave and the country is too hosed for them to return by the time Joris sets up his tax havens & free ports. It wouldn't gently caress the Tories at all because they get to pretend they fixed brexit, it bolsters the party's right wing, soft leavers are happy, remainers fall in line because it's 'over.' Lib Dems either immediately forget about hard remain (or possibly keep the shitshow rolling by campaigning to rejoin the EU). Jeremy Corbyn is gulaged for being Stalinist and the entire thread dies of Irony™, or the 4th dimensional hyper syphilis Ms Adequate infected us all with at the final goonmeet. It's the stupidest possible outcome, so prepare your body. Guavanaut posted:Total number of seats - 650 Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:All the people that like Boris (I.e. hard brexiteers) will hate him for passing a deal that'll get branded by Farage etc. as a Fake Brexit Anything Boris passes will be labeled as Fake Brexit by Farage because that's his entire election and political strategy. He'll just shift the goalposts.
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Junior G-man posted:Anything Boris passes will be labeled as Fake Brexit by Farage because that's his entire election and political strategy. He'll just shift the goalposts. Farage: The WTO is a globalist EU scam, let's leave the WTO without a deal.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Have I got this wrong, or does this mean 320 isn't even a majority? Sinn fein don't sit, speaker doesn't vote.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
Sinn Féin don’t take their seats so they’re discounted.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
Sinn Fein don't sit and speakers don't vote, the number is normally somewhere around 317
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OwlFancier posted:Sinn fein don't sit, speaker doesn't vote.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I have a sudden feeling of dread about this rebranding of May's deal - I think all of the hype about no-deal might just be enough to make enough melts in Parliament flip to get it through, and the EU haven't immediately said "gently caress off". it does feel like something's up, they keep doing this "we will not ask for an extension" and "yes of course we will act in accordance with the law  " which makes them seem like some smartass kid who's thought of some technicality to get out of doing their homework tonight. Like it doesn't just come across like bluffing until he's forced to get the extension, they're extremely bad at that kind of thing
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