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The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
you can thank mai toda

https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/1179563269100580864

previous works include chief animation direction and character designs on girls' last tour and soushin shoujo matoi, which have similarly bouncy expressions. also did some key animation on a couple episodes of one punch man and the finale of flip flappers. they've got real power

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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Rista's VA is also extremely good at selling the goofy faces.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012
Must watch: Chihayafuru, MHA

Curious enough to try: Assassin's Pride, Babylon, Beastars, Kabukichou Sherlock, Shinchou Yuusha, Mairimashita! Iruma-kun.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

I'm a little let down by the season PV considering I liked Spring/Summer shows. So far on the watch list is Babylon and Psycho-Pass S2. No real expectations for the latter since S2 and the movie but I just hope there's 1x coherent ep.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Alder posted:

I'm a little let down by the season PV considering I liked Spring/Summer shows. So far on the watch list is Babylon and Psycho-Pass S2. No real expectations for the latter since S2 and the movie but I just hope there's 1x coherent ep.

S3 has the same writer as S2. Abandon hope, chief.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i hope season 3 of psycho-pass turns out to be the best one of the entire show and i've never even begun to watch psycho-pass

Hargrimm
Sep 22, 2011

W A R R E N


I cannot wrap my head around why a Japanese show for a Japanese audience would feel the need to include a cultural note, in Japanese, of the Japanese phenomenon of dogeza. Is it only included in the version distributed to foreign licensors, with the expectation that they subtitle the on-screen text?

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Hargrimm posted:



I cannot wrap my head around why a Japanese show for a Japanese audience would feel the need to include a cultural note, in Japanese, of the Japanese phenomenon of dogeza. Is it only included in the version distributed to foreign licensors, with the expectation that they subtitle the on-screen text?
What kind of anime needs to explain dogeza in a world of osmosis?

The Colonel posted:

i hope season 3 of psycho-pass turns out to be the best one of the entire show and i've never even begun to watch psycho-pass
If it does, great; but prepare to be dissapointed.

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Hargrimm posted:



I cannot wrap my head around why a Japanese show for a Japanese audience would feel the need to include a cultural note, in Japanese, of the Japanese phenomenon of dogeza. Is it only included in the version distributed to foreign licensors, with the expectation that they subtitle the on-screen text?

I think the implication is that Myne is doing something weird that the people of isekai-land don't understand.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004


Grimey Drawer

Hargrimm posted:



I cannot wrap my head around why a Japanese show for a Japanese audience would feel the need to include a cultural note, in Japanese, of the Japanese phenomenon of dogeza. Is it only included in the version distributed to foreign licensors, with the expectation that they subtitle the on-screen text?

Dogeza is sort of used as a low key meme sometimes, it'll frequently get a sort of hyped up explanation even in the novel versions of these shows. I guess the animators were trying to convey that?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

Grouchio posted:

If it does, great; but prepare to be dissapointed.

i hope it does entirely because i'm getting annoyed of seeing people post this exact thing repeatedly when it hasn't even begun airing lol

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Dzhay posted:

I think the implication is that Myne is doing something weird that the people of isekai-land don't understand.

It's this, yeah.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Bakanogami posted:

Dogeza is sort of used as a low key meme sometimes, it'll frequently get a sort of hyped up explanation even in the novel versions of these shows. I guess the animators were trying to convey that?
I always enjoy seeing the ol' timey orz every once in a while. :mmmhmm:

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

The first BD of Fire Force only sold 100 copies jesus christ.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

it's a manga adaptation, so as long as that sells well i don't think the committee cares

also there's probably character goods and a couple figures i'd assume

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Also they're already in it for four cours anyway

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I think Kakegurui BD/DVD's also sold fairly poorly but, y'know, what with being licensed to Netflix and the manga no doubt selling fairly well (hell, I think it has more than one manga spin-off?), I'm betting it could more or less be considered a success.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i also have stopped caring so much about this measure of success stuff when none of that is actually transferring back to the actual creators in a tangible way

Kagaya Homoraisan
Aug 28, 2019

You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder
Yeah sale numbers are just chicken fights for nerds.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

noted failure my hero academia's BDs sell similar numbers.

longrunning shonen manga adaptations do not exist to sell blu-rays.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

someday... people will understand how the industry actually works. someday. I believe. if I didn't hate my voice I'd just make an entire youtube channel shouting into the void about this poo poo.

But yeah fire force's BD sales don't matter much. The manga's sales are very good (it's selling better than Yaiba, for example) and the series achieved a noticeable spike when the anime started airing. So it's a success. There's a reason when actual industry people talk about failures due to low BD sales they talk about original anime like FlipFlappers, even though FlipFlappers sold a fair bit better on blu-ray than MHA or One Piece or something.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Endorph posted:

noted failure my hero academia's BDs sell similar numbers.

longrunning shonen manga adaptations do not exist to sell blu-rays.

Wrong as usual, Watson.

First, to state the obvious, sales tend to decline as a series goes on. With rare exceptions, volume 1 of season 1 is the peak for an anime's DVD sales. Comparing current MHA to Fire Force's opening numbers is comparing very different things.

Second, even late into the third season with volume 4, MHA sold over 1,300 blu-rays and over 900 DVDs. Assuming I'm reading right and Fire Force's numbers are for DVD and blu-ray sales combined, that puts a pretty low selling volume of MHA at around twenty times Fire Force's sales.

Those are pretty loving bad numbers.

(Also, Flip Flappers's first volume was also outsold by the same MHA Blu-Ray. In case anyone was curious.)

chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 4, 2019

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

there is a specific reason why japanese anime fans probably aren't feeling fire force rn

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

chiasaur11 posted:

Wrong as usual, Watson.

First, to state the obvious, sales tend to decline as a series goes on. With rare exceptions, volume 1 of season 1 is the peak for an anime's DVD sales. Comparing current MHA to Fire Force's opening numbers is comparing very different things.

Second, even late into the third season with volume 4, MHA sold over 1,300 blu-rays and over 900 DVDs. Assuming I'm reading right and Fire Force's numbers are for DVD and blu-ray sales combined, that puts a pretty low selling volume of MHA at around twenty times Fire Force's sales.

Those are pretty loving bad numbers.

(Also, Flip Flappers's first volume was also outsold by the same MHA Blu-Ray. In case anyone was curious.)
cool now tell me your opinions on socialism

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

Endorph posted:

someday... people will understand how the industry actually works. someday. I believe. if I didn't hate my voice I'd just make an entire youtube channel shouting into the void about this poo poo.
have you considered medium articles

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
The Honzuki/Bookworm anime has around 6/10 or 7/10 art+animation for me, but it's not too important, I think. The bulk of the series is talking anyway. The pacing seems decent, and it should be able to end in a good spot by the end of the season. My worry that it would be hypercompressed and cram 130 WN chapters into 26 episodes seems to be unfounded, although now this opens up the new problem that it'd take about 300 episodes to finish the story (which I haven't even finished myself), even with a lot of stuff truncated.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

an actual dog posted:

there is a specific reason why japanese anime fans probably aren't feeling fire force rn

this

you can't really gauge fire force's numbers right this second without taking in the huge obvious context

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Patware posted:

this

you can't really gauge fire force's numbers right this second without taking in the huge obvious context

the odd thing about that angle is that the manga is doing fine still but ig theres something way more visceral about moving pictures + audio + voice acting than just static images of things on fire

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Endorph posted:

the odd thing about that angle is that the manga is doing fine still but ig theres something way more visceral about moving pictures + audio + voice acting than just static images of things on fire

The ED probably doesn't help things any. That's a nasty reminder every single episode.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
iiirc the first three or so volumes of the manga were available for free for a while so i assume that would count for manga numbers being higher

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Patware posted:

this

you can't really gauge fire force's numbers right this second without taking in the huge obvious context

The thing I find odd is that O Maidens somehow did worse.

Trying to poke at the Japanese online reception it seemed to be at least reasonably popular, and the DVD sales estimates prior to release seemed pretty run-of-the-mill, so for it to flop like that kind of asks for an explanation.

The only thing even resembling a guess that I have is that the last episode implying Kazusa and Izumi had sex might have caused some backlash among some of the usual disc purchase audience, but it feels kind of odd for that to be enough to drop a series's sales from low-to-average to record setting flop.

(Granbelm apparently did even worse than either of them, but Granbelm didn't seem to ever connect with a large audience, so it hitting the bottom of the list is easier for me to understand.)

wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang

I watched the Cautious Hero and the jerk love pentagon (Oresuki) shows tonight and they’re both subversions of the usual, which is fine, since I like Konosuba and SNAFU and stuff, but did anyone else find the protagonist in Oresuki like too mean to his friend? Or is it a thing where literally calling someone a bitch isn’t that bad?

He calls Cosmos a minx (in the subtitle) which doesn’t seem the same level.

edit:

Last season I finished Wasteful Days of High School Girls, Demon Girl Next Door, O Maidens, Astra, and Cop Craft, and dropped a bunch after a few eps, including Granbelm (i keep wanting to type granblem) - which everyone seems to really love? I might give it a shot.

Demon Girl was the Kaguya-sama/Bocchi highlight of the season for me, but the 11th episode of Wasteful Days was really really touching and funny, and so I’m loathe to pick between either as a favorite.

This season is a lot! I’m going to at least try:
Cautious Hero
Oresuki
Assassin’s Pride
MHA
Dispassionate gods (but I feel like I need to rewatch season 2 or something it’s been so long)
No Guns Life
Long titled fantasy police show (riding off of that Cop Craft momentum)
Rifle Is Beautiful (there were 2 shows about airsoft a few years back, this seems like a natural progression)

And I’ll keep watching Fire Force and Vinland every so often.

wolfs fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Oct 4, 2019

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

wolfs posted:

I watched the Cautious Hero and the jerk love pentagon (Oresuki) shows tonight and they’re both subversions of the usual, which is fine, since I like Konosuba and SNAFU and stuff, but did anyone else find the protagonist in Oresuki like too mean to his friend? Or is it a thing where literally calling someone a bitch isn’t that bad?

He calls Cosmos a minx (in the subtitle) which doesn’t seem the same level.

the english loanword 'bitch' in japanese is closer to how we'd use 'slut' or 'slutty.'

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

chiasaur11 posted:

The only thing even resembling a guess that I have is that the last episode implying Kazusa and Izumi had sex might have caused some backlash among some of the usual disc purchase audience, but it feels kind of odd for that to be enough to drop a series's sales from low-to-average to record setting flop.

I don't really see someone sitting through the whole series and then deciding the spoiled bit was a bridge too far. The disk-breaking is usually saved for waifu series, and this wasn't really that.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

Paracelsus posted:

I don't really see someone sitting through the whole series and then deciding the spoiled bit was a bridge too far. The disk-breaking is usually saved for waifu series, and this wasn't really that.

you have a much higher opinion of the targeted bluray consumer than i do

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

who's still buying dvds

are the VHS sales also doing badly for fire force

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

The 7th Guest posted:

who's still buying dvds

are the VHS sales also doing badly for fire force

People who recognise that streaming service licenses for shows are not forever like they drat-well should be.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Paracelsus posted:

I don't really see someone sitting through the whole series and then deciding the spoiled bit was a bridge too far. The disk-breaking is usually saved for waifu series, and this wasn't really that.


Patware posted:

you have a much higher opinion of the targeted bluray consumer than i do
this sort of thing is way overblown in the west. like if you actually look into any 'big icnidents' that are cited for this kind of thing its almost entirely five or six guys, tops. itd be like if people in japan were talking about american gamers destroy their ps4s when the water in e3 trailers is slightly more detailed than the water in the actual released game. like yeah, its an opinion some dumb people have but the reason you don't generally get anime that deal frankly with a woman's past sexual partners is because anime is largely made by nerdy men who wouldn't have any idea or desire to write that, not because the gamers would rise up in revolt if they tried.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Oct 4, 2019

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I am fully willing to believe that Japanese anime fans are just as lovely about ladies boning down as American gamers are about gay people existing. Not enough to matter for the bottom line, but enough to cause a lot of grief for the people involved in production.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Terrible Opinions posted:

I am fully willing to believe that Japanese anime fans are just as lovely about ladies boning down as American gamers are about gay people existing. Not enough to matter for the bottom line, but enough to cause a lot of grief for the people involved in production.
plenty of games just have gay people in them and the devs get by fine. yeah theres the occasional dumb tweet but thats the most that happens.

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