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readingatwork posted:I’d heard the Sinfest guy made some TERF-y comics recently but HOLY HELL I did not expect what I found when I checked it out. The guy’s been on a months long tear where it’s more or less the only political topic he talks about anymore. It’s weird to the point where I’d be willing to bet he’s having some sort of gender identity crisis. The guy’s still a decent artist too which makes this particularly sad. He's absolutely deranged  From his Spinster, TERF-Twitter affiliated with the alt-right Gab.
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I just looked at his last few comics What the ever loving gently caress is even happening in his head
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Oct 3, 2019 18:31
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It's loving weird how quickly the themes swing wildly in the comic from good ("forced gender roles such as aggressive men and meek women are damaging to everyone") to weird ("... and this is the fault of porn") to horrible/contradictory ("horrible, evil society forces kids to change their gender"). Sometimes within the same page.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:38
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readingatwork posted:I’d heard the Sinfest guy made some TERF-y comics recently but HOLY HELL I did not expect what I found when I checked it out. The guy’s been on a months long tear where it’s more or less the only political topic he talks about anymore. It’s weird to the point where I’d be willing to bet he’s having some sort of gender identity crisis. The guy’s still a decent artist too which makes this particularly sad. I mean, this is not a new turn for him, second-wave feminism broke his brain over a decade ago.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:39
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readingatwork posted:I’d heard the Sinfest guy made some TERF-y comics recently but HOLY HELL I did not expect what I found when I checked it out. The guy’s been on a months long tear where it’s more or less the only political topic he talks about anymore. It’s weird to the point where I’d be willing to bet he’s having some sort of gender identity crisis. The guy’s still a decent artist too which makes this particularly sad. It's possible, but I'm reading less self-hating and more cognitive dissonance. His life's work is a comic strip that leans heavily on regressive and misogynistic humor, which he feels bad about on some level, but he's invested so much of his identity in it that it's painful to confront it head-on, so he's latched on to LIBERALS ARE THE REAL SEXISTS. That way he can pretend that he's actually fightin' the good fight with his regressive and misogynistic humor, so instead of having to feel bad about it he gets to feel good.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:44
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I feel like a lot of folks somehow missed when Sinfest transitioned to 'extremely loud but poorly understood second-wave feminism.'
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Oct 3, 2019 18:47
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Rotten Red Rod posted:It's loving weird how quickly the themes swing wildly in the comic from good ("forced gender roles such as aggressive men and meek women are damaging to everyone") to weird ("... and this is the fault of porn") to horrible/contradictory ("horrible, evil society forces kids to change their gender"). Sometimes within the same page. He also seems convinced that trans hormones/medication make you like/do girly things which was TOTALLY not the case beforehand. He also REALLY hates sex work.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:48
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Ague Proof posted:He's absolutely deranged
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Oct 3, 2019 19:04
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Mors Rattus posted:I feel like a lot of folks somehow missed when Sinfest transitioned to 'extremely loud but poorly understood second-wave feminism.' This conversation has been coming up in this thread a couple times a year for years now, so it's not exactly news. I think a lot of people are just surprised when they look back after a couple years and realize that, against all odds, it has somehow gotten worse.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:28
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Mors Rattus posted:I feel like a lot of folks somehow missed when Sinfest transitioned to 'extremely loud but poorly understood second-wave feminism.' Yeah this wasn't really surprising to me except in the "Oh so he finally made the jump, huh?" way. He's been pounding on about extreme 2nd wave radfem stuff for years, and with trans people being the latest target for unbridled hate now that cis gay people are too mainstream to lose your poo poo about in public, it was just a matter of time before he was open about this.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:32
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Straight White Shark posted:This conversation has been coming up in this thread a couple times a year for years now, so it's not exactly news. I think a lot of people are just surprised when they look back after a couple years and realize that, against all odds, it has somehow gotten worse. It's this GI Joe firing lipstick at Cobra Commander because What was the point of this again?
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Oct 3, 2019 19:33
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Mors Rattus posted:I feel like a lot of folks somehow missed when Sinfest transitioned to 'extremely loud but poorly understood second-wave feminism.' Yeah. Given the introduction of that one specific character was pretty much the exact moment the wheels came off it’s kinda hard to miss.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:58
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Burkion posted:It's this It would be about the feminization of mass media aimed at boys except he's actually ok with that, so, ah, something something non-binary people BAD because reasons It's ok to not fall into predetermined gender roles but don't you DARE try to claim you're not the gender you were born with!!!!1
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Oct 3, 2019 20:01
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Mors Rattus posted:I feel like a lot of folks somehow missed when Sinfest transitioned to 'extremely loud but poorly understood second-wave feminism.' For me it's not so much that as a combination of bafflement that Ishida of all people was the early webcartoonist to fall headlong into radical feminism and amazement that him dropping his juvenile sexism made him so much worse.
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Oct 3, 2019 20:06
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Burkion posted:It's this And then you have Woke Jesus:  All the strips surrounding this one are explicitly about calling out "woke" culture as secretly oppressive and anti-feminist (meaning "anti-second wave feminist.") So Woke Jesus is set up as an object of mockery, except he's actually trying to stop a (presumed) second-wave feminist from being bullied so maybe he's supposed to be the good guy, except he's also implicitly calling out anti-trans and anti-sex worker stances as being structurally oppressive? If we're supposed to see Woke Jesus as cool and good, then that says that the rest of Sinfest's current messaging is largely misguided but not worthy of being attacked. But if we're supposed to see Woke Jesus as ridiculous and wrong, that suggests Sinfest's broad messaging is bad enough that it deserves to be attacked for its stances. There's literally no way of interpreting this strip's message as being consistent with the messages being put out by the rest of the strips put out over the past couple weeks. It's purestrain Sinfest: throw together a lot of Big Ideas in a satirical tongue-in-cheek manner and hope someone mistakes the product as Really Deep, Man
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Oct 3, 2019 20:24
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Also doesn't help that Jesus was a historically woke individual who didn't shame sex workers but went through the effort of hand-braiding a whip to beat the poo poo out of money-lenders exploiting the helpless.Straight White Shark posted:It's purestrain Sinfest: throw together a lot of Big Ideas in a satirical tongue-in-cheek manner and hope someone mistakes the product as Really Deep, Man
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Oct 3, 2019 20:27
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The bit that still gets me every time is that Ishida doesn't actually feel the need to try and sell his views to anybody. He doesn't seem to get that people can look at a comic that relies on the idea that porn kills empathy and say "huh, it doesn't do that for me."
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Oct 3, 2019 20:49
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Sinfest is so bizarre, it's like if Jim Davis woke up one day and decided that he needed to spread the gospel of monarchism through his newspaper comic strip, but changed nothing about it except the politics. Like, Ishida is still drawing sexy ladies and telling lame jokes, but there's a bizarre political bent to everything that makes it feel like it's from another universe. He's working on the assumption that you already agree with him on everything, and just want to be reassured, which makes it difficult to puzzle out what his politics even ARE.
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Oct 3, 2019 20:58
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It's like the insane Christian fundamentalist comics that were drawn by an Archie artist and he just uses the style to make Archie go on rants about how the Pope is terrible. It's not for anyone but the devoted audience and it's just wrapped up in this weirdly approachable yet bland style that's actually official for the canon of the work, kinda.
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Oct 3, 2019 21:27
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Straight White Shark posted:And then you have Woke Jesus: And Ishida is both a SWERF and a TERF. His radical feminism excludes trans acceptance and sex workers.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:04
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Begemot posted:Sinfest is so bizarre, it's like if Jim Davis woke up one day and decided that he needed to spread the gospel of monarchism through his newspaper comic strip, but changed nothing about it except the politics. its reminiscent of the guy who draws dumbing of age (though obv the subject matter is not on the same level of awfulness) being completely mired in his youthful struggles with fundamental christianity and being wholly unable to earnestly engage with the subject matter, instead relying on a wildly exaggerated stand-in of it.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:11
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Straight White Shark posted:It's possible, but I'm reading less self-hating and more cognitive dissonance. Nah, that's not what's going on here. He's thoroughly repudiated his old regressive misogynistic humor, it's just he's taking lessons on how to be leftist from insane second wave feminists/terfs, in part because I believe he dated one. So now he's just mutated like a Chaos Spawn into a different flavor of regressive. And so he was "rehabilitated" into uh...this. All of this nonsense.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:13
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A big flaming stink posted:its reminiscent of the guy who draws dumbing of age (though obv the subject matter is not on the same level of awfulness) being completely mired in his youthful struggles with fundamental christianity and being wholly unable to earnestly engage with the subject matter, instead relying on a wildly exaggerated stand-in of it. There's really nothing remotely exaggerated about what Willis is showing. I mean, except the soap opera drama. Everything else is stuff that literally happens all the time.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:13
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Yeah, it's one of those things where reality feels unrealistic. Although I think that bit where the guy brought his shotgun to college to kidnap his errant daughter was a bit past the boundary of reality. Especially when it led to a car-chase involving a spandex-clad superhero skitching rides and jumping from car to car. Also when that guy who tried raping Joyce became a weird supervillain in hiding, that was incredibly unrealistic. Probably he'd just keep living his life as normal. It's basically the same writing style Willis has always had where he bounces between simple jokes and ludicrous drama, but now he's gotten incrementally better at long-term storytelling and slice-of-life stuff. The fact that half the cast is now somehow author self-inserts might have something to do with that.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Nah, that's not what's going on here. He's thoroughly repudiated his old regressive misogynistic humor, it's just he's taking lessons on how to be leftist from insane second wave feminists/terfs, in part because I believe he dated one. So now he's just mutated like a Chaos Spawn into a different flavor of regressive. That's all just window dressing though. He's still drawin titties and yelling at women for being sluts, he's just mostly switched from blaming religious fundamentalists to blaming leftists. EDIT: like, the gender-nonconforming GI Joe strip mocks men for being interested in knitting and housework. he's literally saying "hey fellas, leave women's work to the women", but this time it's for Feminism the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Rereading Sinfest from January to see how the descent into madness played out over time and this one stuck out to me. Ishida is apparently anti-captialist. Super-weird combination of ideologies going on here.
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Oct 4, 2019 03:35
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Literally the least effective way to frame anticapitalism though. "Did u know... capitalism... is greedy???' Only works from the point of view of a comfortable life where the cost can be measured in 'makes me feel like it's immoral because greed is bad' rather than 'Holy poo poo this is devouring people and destroying the earth, and fundamentally based on exploitation.'
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Oct 4, 2019 04:53
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I honestly can't tell if that comic is making an anticapitalist statement or making fun of anticapitalist statements. So it's pretty par for the course for Sinfest.
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readingatwork posted:Rereading Sinfest from January to see how the descent into madness played out over time and this one stuck out to me. i wanna give this guy a swirlie and then throw him into a gulag
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readingatwork posted:Rereading Sinfest from January to see how the descent into madness played out over time and this one stuck out to me. God, he is really his own strawman, isn't he Also, "beat poet it-girl"? Is this set in the '50s?
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If it makes you feel any better his Patreon has been continuously bleeding money since he started all the TERF poo poo. At it's height it was around $1550/m and now it's around $1200/m. He is literally burning over $4k every year over this. Even more if he also starts loosing book sales. 
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Burkion posted:It's this It's a recurring plot point in Sinfest that "Woke" media are actually a plot by the devil to distract us from the REAL issues, or something.     Of course, he immediately undermines this point by having everything WokeTV produces look totally badass:  
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Sinfest is Good, actually. Maybe you just don't get it.
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The latest strip apparently features...Trump as a "woke drone", which the strip has flying around enforcing their PC thought police message of tolerance and castigating "bigots". Seems like incoherent satire. Like, I can see what he's driving at with the "woke drone" thing, even if I don't agree, but...why is one of them Trump?
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Begemot posted:God, he is really his own strawman, isn't he I hate that I know this but that character is literally named It-Girl. As well as Monique, she has two.
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SimonChris posted:It's a recurring plot point in Sinfest that "Woke" media are actually a plot by the devil to distract us from the REAL issues, or something. the point is clearly explained in the third strip: the establishment embracing and coopting a kind of superficial lean-in feminism that gives a few token women a hand on the whip but doesn't fundamentally challenge the existing heirarchy, in order to defuse more sweeping critiques (nothing is changed in an all-women Die Hard, it doesn't actually say anything). This is unlike the true revolutionary art of writing a Sarah Zero-esque intensely self-referential string of zingers against assorted categories of women, as a self-described male feminist and therefore authority on femininity.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Someone tell him to google Buck Angel and watch his head explode. That dude is loving awesome.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the point is clearly explained in the third strip: the establishment embracing and coopting a kind of superficial lean-in feminism that gives a few token women a hand on the whip but doesn't fundamentally challenge the existing heirarchy, in order to defuse more sweeping critiques (nothing is changed in an all-women Die Hard, it doesn't actually say anything). This is unlike the true revolutionary art of writing a Sarah Zero-esque intensely self-referential string of zingers against assorted categories of women, as a self-described male feminist and therefore authority on femininity. How this follows into "Trump is a woke-bot enforcing the agenda of liberal intersectional feminists", however, I'm not quite sure. Ishida's theory is a mess.
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Like, Sinfest definitely has a rudimentary grasp on radical feminism, and it can express Ishida's perspective effectively. The problem is that Ishida has an understanding of radical feminism that appears to be entirely based on "people he met on Twitter who are mad at libfems". All his successful expressions of radical theory (gender is a construct and a tool of social control, tokenism isn't real change, etc) are mixed in with snarls about how liberal feminists are functionally right-wing misogynists - which is not a pillar of radical theory, but the artefact of him having learned his theory from socially polarised Twitter warriors rather than, you know, books.
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