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originalnickname posted:It's a core without a heatspreader covering it.. Silicon with a shim around it. Can you not just pop the heatspreaders off with a $10 amazon tool anymore?
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Intel went back to soldered TIM, which improves stock thermal performance significantly, but is much harder to delid. The combination of increased difficulty + lowered reward means no one is really doing it anymore.
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K8.0 posted:Intel went back to soldered TIM, which improves stock thermal performance significantly, but is much harder to delid. The combination of increased difficulty + lowered reward means no one is really doing it anymore. just pay $60 and let SiliconLottery do it
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K8.0 posted:Don't even talk to me if your CPU is only running at 3.6 Roentgen.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Psch, I've been exposed to 60 gray over a 6-week period and whatever the amount is for ~15 chest and abdominal CT-scans. I think that dose would be very fatal.
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omeg posted:I think that dose would be very fatal.  that I'm here then.Alternatively it's because all of that radiation has been spread over more than 3 years so far. IMRT was 2 gray radiation in a very small and well-defined area (located both by a titanium clip as well as MR and CT scans) every weekday during a 6 week period where I also received chemo-therapy. After that is when the regular scans started, of which all but the first of the abdominal and chest CT-scans have been 15-minute scans with contrast, to minimize exposure. Consider that Igor Fedorovich Kostin, the reporter who was in the helicopter that filmed down into the Chernobyl reactor through an open door by flying over it died at 78, a few years ago (of a car crash, as I recall). So while there's a definite correlation, it's more complex than radiation == dead. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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I might have mixed greys with sieverts... Radiation units are weird.
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omeg posted:I might have mixed greys with sieverts... Radiation units are weird. But you are right, 60 Gray absorbed dose in the entire body, of any kind of radiation, would leave you dead within the hour.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Psch, I've been exposed to 60 gray over a 6-week period and whatever the amount is for ~15 chest and abdominal CT-scans. smh, goons always want to low-key their newfound mutant powers
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Sep 23, 2019 14:09
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https://videocardz.com/82105/intel-10th-gen-core-x-series-cascade-lake-x-final-specs-and-pricing-leaked Cascade Lake X prices essentially halved from last gen, more or less equal to 2nd gen Threadripper core for core. Launch is Monday, stock in November.
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Oct 1, 2019 20:26
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Cygni posted:https://videocardz.com/82105/intel-10th-gen-core-x-series-cascade-lake-x-final-specs-and-pricing-leaked People can argue back and forth about AMD's effect on the CPU market, but I have never seen a starker example of how much better off were are because of Zen. Forcing Intel to basically HALVE prices is stunning; we all know Intel hates cutting prices..
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Cygni posted:https://videocardz.com/82105/intel-10th-gen-core-x-series-cascade-lake-x-final-specs-and-pricing-leaked Very generous of intel to remove the firmware blacklist for 32GB ram sticks.
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Is there any word on ECC support? Looking at the price cuts they should be desperate enough to finally make that move.
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They're HEDT chips, so because of market segmentation of course ECC won't be available.
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K8.0 posted:Don't even talk to me if your CPU is only running at 3.6 Roentgen. 3.6GHz? Not good. Not terrible.
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D. Ebdrup posted:They're HEDT chips, so because of market segmentation of course ECC won't be available. On the other hand Intel now has actual competition and you can get ECC support on AM4 boards.
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Not just on that model, either. Much if not most of ASRock's AM4 lineup claims to support ECC, but I haven't seen any reports of people actually using and verifying it. Would be curious to hear if anyone has more firsthand info there.
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Holy crap if that price is accurate I may actually go Intel again even if its on the now ancient by normal Intel standards X299. It's not like that platfrom is missing much from current gen tech. No PCI-E 4.0 but were at least 2 chipsets out from it becoming something that would actually be of performance value outside of the occasional PCI-E nVME drives that are using it now. Still don't need to drop my X79 yet, but the urge to do so is growing little by little.
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The prices listed are wholesale - MSRP for purchases of batches of 1000 units. In the videocardz leak article though the other CPU's they're showing for comparison are shown with their retail prices. These new parts are almost certainly going to be more expensive retail.
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Props to Intel for having the wisdom and willingness to do the needful. Those can't have been fun conversations. E:^^^ yeah, but still half what it was before, which also had said retail markup.
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Eletriarnation posted:Not just on that model, either. Much if not most of ASRock's AM4 lineup claims to support ECC, but I haven't seen any reports of people actually using and verifying it. Would be curious to hear if anyone has more firsthand info there. I'm running a pair of 16GB ECC UDIMMs (Samsung M391A2K43BB1-CRC) in an ASRock X370 Taichi with an R7 1700. ECC is both detected and enabled. I have not seen a single bit error reported yet though. code:
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Microsoft also just announced Surface with AMD CPUs. There are some Intel products, too, but they mostly seemed to have a vague "next year" date. Guess Intel used a monkey's paw to grant them the wish Microsoft wouldn't use ARM. Didn't quite work out the way they wanted.
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ufarn posted:Guess Intel used a monkey's paw to grant them the wish Microsoft wouldn't use ARM. Didn't quite work out the way they wanted. It's even more interesting than that because the Surface Pro X (:rolleyes) is using ARM (semi-custom Qualcom 7nm Snapdragon 8cx), the 13" Surface Laptop is 10nm Intel and the 15" Surface Laptop is 7nm semi-custom AMD, so Intel is feeling the pressure from both sides.
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Will admit, a AMD APU in a Surface Pro would be pretty darn sweet. Though the 10 series Intel chips iGPU is supposed to be a lot better now too so I guess seeing them side by side would be cool. I just wish someone would throw in a full fat desktop Ryzen into a mobile laptop/tablet and downclock it so it sips power but gives you full 8c/16t just for the hell of it.
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eames posted:It's even more interesting than that because the Surface Pro X (:rolleyes) is using ARM (semi-custom Qualcom 7nm Snapdragon 8cx), the 13" Surface Laptop is 10nm Intel and the 15" Surface Laptop is 7nm semi-custom AMD, so Intel is feeling the pressure from both sides. AMD did get idle power draw down significantly from the 2xxx series mobile APUs they offered and AMD has allowed anyone to update their APU drivers independent of what the manufacturer releases. That solves the two biggest drawbacks they had. I wish Intel would do the same. I have a t450s and it's stuck on ancient intel driver revisions. Unless things change, Intel should be able to keep a lead in the laptop market. AMD's focus has not been there and Intel's offerings are highly competitive as long as they're close by in price. Khorne fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Oct 2, 2019 |
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Khorne posted:It's 12nm AMD pretty sure. It's running zen+ with vega igpu. AMD laptops will be interesting next year. Not this one, unfortunately. If you haven't there are ways to force install the latest Intel iGPU driver over a OEM driver, but you have to do it manually the first time (via install other driver, have disk, pick the .inf). Run into that a lot with the current Dell's. Unless you have a really oddball unique iGPU that was only used on your system.
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Microsoft is officially the mysterious customer Lakefield was designed for. Surface Neo is using it.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Will admit, a AMD APU in a Surface Pro would be pretty darn sweet. Though the 10 series Intel chips iGPU is supposed to be a lot better now too so I guess seeing them side by side would be cool. The ram differences are probably going to lead to the 64EU Ice Lake part moonwalking the Ryzen part across the board, honestly, probably including gaming. But the Ice Lake one may not exist for months, if at all in any volume, and they haven't announced prices yet.
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SamDabbers posted:I'm running a pair of 16GB ECC UDIMMs (Samsung M391A2K43BB1-CRC) in an ASRock X370 Taichi with an R7 1700. ECC is both detected and enabled. I have not seen a single bit error reported yet though. 1) ECC is supported in that the system lets you POST with it 2) ECC is supported and single bit errors get corrected silently (which can be bad because what happens if a memory DIMM starts failing and producing a lot of errors?) 3) ECC is supported and single-bit errors get corrected and reported to the OS via an unmaskable interrupt (this is the most preferred option, as the OS can then decide if it shoud panic or not) 4) ECC is supported and the CPU is reset to prevent corruption (this generally happens in systems which are built with multiple levels of redundancy) Add a couple more options for when using lock-stepped memory that can correct for two bit errors, and RAIM/memory mirroring/memory sparing which are irrelevant here. So which is it? Unless you know beforehand, or know an engineer at Asrock, it can be an absolute pain in the arse to find out.
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My experiments point to #3. I overclocked the RAM to try to induce errors and see if they would be reported to the OS, and it actually worked. On my combination of hardware I got it to POST at DDR4-3200 and Memtest86+ reported a lot of single-bit errors while running through its various tests. ASRock firmware engineers appear to have done a good job. Of course, I don't run it normally at those speeds, so I have not seen any reported errors in Linux.
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That's good. Now all we can make a list of motherboards which we know work how they should when it comes to ECC, and we can start by adding ASRock X370 Taichi. Not that I can afford one for a new system, but for my own gratification I'd like to know if the 8 SATA ports are connected to the south bridge, as is the ASmedia controller that adds two more SATA ports?
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Uh, am I missing something but isn't this the Intel thread?
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drat that AMD, it's not enough to steal Intel's marketshare, their mindshare, their process lead, their tech lead, and their lunch, but to steal their thread too? Unforgivable!
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SwissArmyDruid posted:drat that AMD, it's not enough to steal Intel's marketshare, their mindshare, their process lead, their tech lead, and their lunch, but to steal their thread too? Unforgivable! They'll steal your threads and rip them in half
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necrobobsledder posted:Uh, am I missing something but isn't this the Intel thread? Anyway, in regards of mainboards, if you notice that one mainboard with a specific chipset supports ECC, you can be sure all the other with the same chipset, do too. They all seem to designing them modular nowadays. Everything around the CPU socket and chipset area looks the same between different variants of a series of mainboards.
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I think the demographics of this forum have mostly grown up past fanboy arguments of Intel vs AMD but there’ll always be a bit of crossover as was mentioned above. Merging them is an interesting thought though...at least in the AMD thread recently, with the Ryzen launch, there’s been a ton of traffic talking about that platform, which would probably be difficult to intertwine with Intel chat also. Then again, we also have one GPU thread... I feel like we’re in a weird valley where we need like 1.5 threads or something like that for Intel and AMD but open to hear your guys’ thoughts.
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*Posts about POWER CPUs in the new thread, is killed immediately*  But seriously I like the idea of merged threads. Perhaps one that is focused on news/architecture discussion so there are less "ordered my 3900X/8700K today!" or debug support request posts.
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