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Pellisworth posted:really we need a political revolution with general strikes and mass protests to force a rewrite of the Constitution because the system is broken as gently caress, what we need is to abolish the Senate, have the House be a parliamentary body with the Speaker as essentially PM, much reduced powers of the President and Executive, and let's say 5-year terms for SCOTUS
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evilweasel posted:yeah, the hope was even if it failed then perhaps some swing state senators would get punished for it, when they might be able to justify torpedoing a leftist nominee enough to not get punished for it But don't you see if the Democrats had just socialismed harder the silent majority of the politically uninterested would have rallied to the cause and there is no way that the corporate media would have used the decades of programed distrust of Communism against them. This thread is full of people who have no appreciation of just how tilted the battlefield is as a result of the elimination of the fairness doctrine, corporate consolidation in the media and the advances in cognitive research as it relates to public relations (AKA propaganda) financed by the rich Nazi fuckers who managed to dodge Nuremberg by virtue of being U.S Citizens. Which is hilarious to me, here you have a well documented obvious in plain site conspiracy that explains the last 3 decades of politics in the United States perfectly yet instead of accepting the obvious that money effort and science directed at manipulating people by leveraging and exploiting their cognitive processes they spin counter productive conspiracy theories that are mostly based on right wing propaganda and the least charitable interpretations of peoples actions possible. Which is or course the intentional effect of that right wing propaganda to begin with. Drives me loving crazy watching people who should be allies playing right into the hands of the enemy.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:00
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I am weary of being reminded that I share this country with tens of millions of the worst human beings who have ever lived. Seeing every day how eager they are for hate and destruction, how they hunger for it... there's no fixing it. We might be able to get Trump out of the White House but our country has seen a massive infusion of bigotry the likes of which hasn't happened since probably the Reconstruction. The Internet has helped produce generation after generation of young people who will go out into the world and spread fear and anger for the rest of their lives. They define themselves by what they hate, and they are capable of hating everything. For the first time in my life I am not interested in seeing what comes next.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:01
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As for the Supreme Court ruling on its own composition, there is no plausible legal theory that prevents Congress from changing the statute that sets the number. That wouldn't prevent them from doing so, but by this point we're pretty deep into constitutional crisis anyway.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:03
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Dick Trauma posted:The Internet has helped produce generation after generation of young people who will go out into the world and spread fear and anger for the rest of their lives. I don't buy this. There are certainly some, but most of the hateful rhetoric I've seen on the internet is from Boomers. The kids seem alright.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:04
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of being reminded that I share this country with tens of millions of the worst human beings who have ever lived. Seeing every day how eager they are for hate and destruction, how they hunger for it... there's no fixing it. Take a breath and disconnect for a bit. This thread or any constant influx of news is not healthy. Please don't let it cause you self-harm.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:04
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Expand the House to 35,000 representatives, and make them stay in their districts. well I mean with modern technology you could do something wild like that and have reps work remotely what I'm suggesting is doing away with FPTP and having a parliamentary House with 3-4+ parties. you know, like every other functioning democracy in the world does
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Oct 4, 2019 17:06
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I don't buy this. There are certainly some, but most of the hateful rhetoric I've seen on the internet is from Boomers. The kids seem alright. Yeah the 4chan idiots are a minority. Gen Z is more liberal than the past several generations
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Oct 4, 2019 17:06
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Pellisworth posted:well I mean with modern technology you could do something wild like that and have reps work remotely
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Oct 4, 2019 17:08
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I don't buy this. There are certainly some, but most of the hateful rhetoric I've seen on the internet is from Boomers. The kids seem alright. It's an unfortunate by-product of a complex corrupt system that talk of doing good often necessitates discussing the terrible policies in place. Good on this generation for not shying away from the hard discussions.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:08
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Pellisworth posted:well I mean with modern technology you could do something wild like that and have reps work remotely Yeah the UK parliament sure seems like it is......functioning?
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Oct 4, 2019 17:08
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Angry_Ed posted:Also there's the problem of trying to amend/rewrite the constitution when the GOP still exists as a political entity. A constitutional convention would very quickly go all estates general and result in a revolution or civil war
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Oct 4, 2019 17:09
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1180145598839820289 https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1180146049220001792
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Oct 4, 2019 17:09
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https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1180151212030779392 https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1180151213993730049 Say it you coward
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Oct 4, 2019 17:09
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Parliamentary systems have the problem of overrepresenting fringe nutters like UKIP and the DUP. As opposed to fringe nutters, like the Republican party
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Mahoning posted:Yeah the UK parliament sure seems like it is......functioning? the primary issue with the UK parliament is that it's a multi-party democracy with a parliament elected by FPTP voting in districts, so it's actually not proportional representation and the results can be heavily dictated by the spoiler effect. he specified abolishing FPTP voting.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:09
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Parliamentary systems have the problem of overrepresenting fringe nutters like UKIP and the DUP. nothing's perfect, the current American system also overrepresents far-right loons
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Oct 4, 2019 17:10
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Parliamentary systems have the problem of overrepresenting fringe nutters like UKIP and the DUP. the republican party is fringier than either of those
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Oct 4, 2019 17:10
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Willo567 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1180145598839820289 These tweets are the pleading eye contact of a hostage reading their captor's note on camera.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:11
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Parliamentary systems have the problem of overrepresenting fringe nutters like UKIP and the DUP. 2/3 of the american government and its highest court are controlled by a party that's close to germany's neo-nazi party on the political spectrum.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:11
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Oct 4, 2019 17:11
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1180151212030779392 Well, that's further than any other elected Republican has gone, at least. I still don't think he'll ever vote to impeach, though.
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Willo567 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1180145598839820289 Don't worry Lindsey, you'll see the names on the line during the actual impeachment vote.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:12
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goethe.cx posted:Yeah the 4chan idiots are a minority. Gen Z is more liberal than the past several generations
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Oct 4, 2019 17:12
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Predictit has Andrew Yang as the #3 most likely Democratic nominee, ahead of Sanders. Warren 51% Biden 23% Yang 11% Sanders 9% Buttigieg 9% Hillary Clinton 7% (seriously)
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Oct 4, 2019 17:12
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Parliamentary systems have the problem of overrepresenting fringe nutters like UKIP and the DUP. Granted, but I'm not sure that's worse than what we have. There's no perfect system so we have to figure out the correct version of "least bad".
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Oct 4, 2019 17:13
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Skex posted:But don't you see if the Democrats had just socialismed harder the silent majority of the politically uninterested would have rallied to the cause and there is no way that the corporate media would have used the decades of programed distrust of Communism against them. your terror of "what if the republicans say something mean to me" is not useful, Skex. i assure you: they are going to be mean to you regardless. can you recall a compromise made with the right that worked.
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with respect to opening a formal vote on impeachment, i think that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to do it when congress reconvenes, after every single republican has agreed it's the only reason that the white house doesn't need to turn over everything demanded, preferably in court filings
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Oct 4, 2019 17:13
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1180151212030779392 Directive 4 prevents him from acting against any member of the Republican Party.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:If Gen Z was the only group voting, a guillotine would probably win. True, but a helicopter would be giving it a run for its money.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:14
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Phlag posted:Predictit has Andrew Yang as the #3 most likely Democratic nominee, ahead of Sanders. But no, betting markets are more accurate than pollsters
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Oct 4, 2019 17:17
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Phlag posted:Predictit has Andrew Yang as the #3 most likely Democratic nominee, ahead of Sanders. Wait is there money to be made here?
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the UK also has a House of Lords, no written constitution, and a queen so  there's a lot of options for political systems that are better than what we currently have, all I'm saying is we need to reboot America like they did with Star Wars and Lion King and stuff that's my 2024 campaign slogan: Reboot America, America 2.0
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Oct 4, 2019 17:19
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Phlag posted:Predictit has Andrew Yang as the #3 most likely Democratic nominee, ahead of Sanders. predictit has a bunch of serious economic problems. mostly, it's that (a) the amount of money you can put in is limited, and (b) it's got fairly high fees; and (c) the length of time it will take to pay out as a result, even if (as is correct) you assume a 100% lock that hillary clinton will not be the nominee, the market has a hard time pushing that number to where it should be. you can put in only about $500 per bet, so you can't have whales with enough on the line to really seriously consider the odds. as a result, people betting their feelings dominates. if I could put in $10k on "no" for hillary i might consider it, but I can't. second, the very high fees mean that what you can earn is pretty low - you'd earn a gross 7% return betting on "no" for Hillary but much of that will be lost to fees, pushing your actual return closer to something like 4-5%. and finally, we're a long way out: you're locking your money up for a year+. so all in all, if you're smarter than predictit (and most people are), even with a lock-solid wager like hillary won't be the nominee or even yang won't be the nominee, you can wager a max of $500 on it, for a return much less than you're likely to get sticking the money in the stock market. also, you take on counterparty risk (the risk that predict it collapses with your money, like intrade did). so it's just a bad bet, and it's hard for people to bring sanity to that market. i looked into it a while ago because the odds are super loving stupid, and you can create ways to get a nearly certain return (i believe I recall seeing someone who had, through a series of bets, gotten to a place where they'd get their money back no matter who won, but would win big if Warren won - basically free upside and they're sitting pretty right now), but not that are worth the effort.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:21
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Mummy Xzibit posted:Wait is there money to be made here? If you’re v bearish on Warren it looks that way
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From my ordeal watching Fox News yesterday, one of the reasons they want that impeachment inquiry vote is so they can juxtapose the numbers against the Nixon (apparently 410–4) and Clinton vote, which I can't find online so they were probably lying about it. The idea being the Dems are just playing politics and this is a partisan witch hunt without the bipartisan approval of the Nixon impeachment.
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Pellisworth posted:there's a lot of options for political systems that are better than what we currently have, all I'm saying is we need to reboot America like they did with Star Wars and Lion King and stuff The current American populace has a near-religious esteem of the founding fathers, which makes it very difficult to do any large-scale overhaul of the system, unfortunately.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:22
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Yiggy posted:If you’re v bearish on Warren it looks that way she's more into bodybuilders than bears
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Oct 4, 2019 17:22
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Flip Yr Wig posted:True, but a helicopter would be giving it a run for its money. Only because a whole bunch of bots voted helicopter.
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Yiggy posted:If you’re v bearish on Warren it looks that way the money to be made on predictit based on those odds is the free money betting yang and clinton won't be the nominee. the market would need to be very wrong on warren for betting on warren to be worth it, given those clinton/yang odds.
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