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SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Eating babies is definitely an obscure research subject.

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Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001


Lol, how do you include postmodernism on a chart about political spectrums?
Secondly, how is feminism a communist construct? Also the anti-Vax should be on the right because it takes idiotic neo-fash to believe it, the communists would be like “vaccines for all, hell share the needles too!”

Replace Islamism with evangelical Christians pls kthx.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Jedit posted:

There's no greed involved because the prices haven't really risen at all. The pound has simply fallen so much in the last three years that £1.20 now is worth what £1 was on the day of the EU referendum.

why do you think that John Lewis is apparently paying service charges in dollars

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/drmatthewsweet/status/1180000492707024897?s=21

Interesting thread. U.K. politics starts creeping in a few posts down.

This turned out to be a Trump plant, if anyone wasn't already aware.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Diet Crack posted:

Lol, how do you include postmodernism on a chart about political spectrums?
Secondly, how is feminism a communist construct?

The answer to your first question is that it's an anti-Semitic dogwhistle. 'Cultural Marxism' and all that.

The answer to your second question is that it's a transphobic dogwhistle. Third-wave feminism is a socialist deviation from 'science accurate classical feminism'.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Gort posted:

This turned out to be a Trump plant, if anyone wasn't already aware.

I wasn't but it was so blindingly obvious I never thought it was genuine.

Practically straight out of an alt-right climate denial meme.

e: plus malthusianism has been a mainstay of right-wing thought for literal centuries, so it's an obviously right-wing answer in the first place once you get past the absurdity of it

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 4, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/drmatthewsweet/status/1180000492707024897?s=21

Interesting thread. U.K. politics starts creeping in a few posts down.
"They believe that the Queen controls the drugs trade. They think Prince Philip wants to start WW3. They think Bertrand Russell used the Beatles as part of a secret British psy war against the USA."

Okay, but what are the crazy things they believe?

Diet Crack posted:

Lol, how do you include postmodernism on a chart about political spectrums?
If you believe in 'postmodern neo-Marxism' and that it's an attack on morality with all its relative values stuff then you'd include it on the left. And be an idiot and/or fascist.

Diet Crack posted:

Secondly, how is feminism a communist construct?
More rights for groups with less rights is a left wing thing. Centrists bloviate about "equality of outcome" or "classic feminism".

Diet Crack posted:

Also the anti-Vax should be on the right because it takes idiotic neo-fash to believe it, the communists would be like “vaccines for all, hell share the needles too!”
Plenty of hippie woo in some parts of the left. I wouldn't call it part of the left-right spectrum any more than I'd say that the Soil Association means environmentalists are all fash. It's just dumb.

People go from hating big pharma and big farms because they're greedy fuckers but with no anti-capitalist class consciousness they end up blaming the inherent properties of 'chemical drugs' and 'GMOs'.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Gort posted:

This turned out to be a Trump plant, if anyone wasn't already aware.

not just a trump plant but part of some insane nazi cult

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Guavanaut posted:

People go from hating big pharma and big farms because they're greedy fuckers but with no anti-capitalist class consciousness they end up blaming the inherent properties of 'chemical drugs' and 'GMOs'.

My landlord once told me he's allergic to chemicals.

I didn't say anything at the time because, well, he's my landlord and I need somewhere to live.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jose posted:

not just a trump plant but part of some insane nazi cult

... so, a Trump plant? Yes, I know she's a Lyndon LaRouche follower, but there's not exactly a vast amount of daylight between them.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
"They've got the cure for cancer but they won't release it because they make more money keeping us sick." is a common one.

That doesn't work if vaccines are effective, because otherwise they'd never have released the polio vaccine because they'd make more keeping people on iron lungs.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Diet Crack posted:

Lol, how do you include postmodernism on a chart about political spectrums?
Secondly, how is feminism a communist construct? Also the anti-Vax should be on the right because it takes idiotic neo-fash to believe it, the communists would be like “vaccines for all, hell share the needles too!”

Replace Islamism with evangelical Christians pls kthx.

Seems like they've put anti vaxxers on the left because they've mistaken it for an anti-authoritarian stance, when in fact all it involves is a shift of authority from medical experts to Jim Carrey

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
TL:DR Joint Church leaders wrote to Johnson on 24th July asking how the most vulnerable will be protected in the event of a no-deal brexit. They just received a reply (linked to in the quote) which basically did not address their main concerns.

quote:

Action, Brexit · 4th October 2019

You will recall that Church leaders, and over 2000 supporters, signed a letter to the Prime Minister on 24 July asking that he publish evidence of how those who are most vulnerable will be protected in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

It took over two months, but we have finally received a response from 10 Downing Street. You can read this http://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Letter-from-10-Downing-Street.pdf

This reply came only after over 100 supporters also then wrote to their MPs, asking them to press the Prime Minister for a response. This is a great example of the impact of people power.

The Prime Minister’s reply goes into some detail regarding plans and preparations being made for Brexit, specifically detailing supply chain concerns. However, the letter’s only reference to those held back by poverty – the centre of our concerns – is in reference to the topic of our initial correspondence and a single line commitment to ‘providing support for those who need it most’.

The Prime Minister’s response does not help us to understand:

Who will need support as a consequences of the changes a no-deal Brexit would provoke;
What kind of support will be required;
What the government plans to do in order to mitigate the potential risks of a no-deal Brexit to those locked in poverty.
The government chose not to address these concerns expressed in our initial correspondence. It is likely that parliament will try and seek this information over the coming weeks, as they pursue clarity over Brexit plans.

Our fear remains that the government has not been able to respond to these questions because they do not yet have sufficient answers.

If this is the case, the government is at risk of proposing a policy which fails to consider the welfare and safety of the poorest citizens and communities in the UK. It is hard to square this with their claims to ‘provide support for those who need it most’.

What can we do next to continue raising these concerns?

Please encourage your MP to continue asking for assessments to examine the risks of a no-deal Brexit on the poorest citizens and communities in the UK, and the steps taken to mitigate these risks. You can ask that they continue to ask that the government urgently publishes its current evidence of the impact of a no-deal Brexit on disadvantaged communities.
Sign up to our newsletter to keep up to date with our work in this area, or visit https://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/brexit to see some assembled resources to read, study and support prayer.
If you contact your MP further about this issue and receive a response, please let us know by emailing enquiries@jointpublicissues.org.uk.


source: http://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/church-leaders-no-deal-letter-response/

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Wachter posted:

Seems like they've put anti vaxxers on the left because they've mistaken it for an anti-authoritarian stance, when in fact all it involves is a shift of authority from medical experts to Jim Carrey
The Anti-Authoritarian Right:
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Far from me such a thought. In the matter of health, I refer to the authority of the TV celebrity; concerning women, gays, and minorities, I consult that of the gamer or engineer.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

This will just free up even more time for her real passion, Jess Phillips.

(Seriously, the press are going to use her as an endless resource of anti-Labour left quotes if she goes.)

I mean iirc a trigger ballot is just...the vote that has to pass to allow open selection to happen for the next election.

It's so stupid.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Britain more open to the world after Brexit, a lie in two acts:

Ministers accused of 'disgraceful U-turn' over post-Brexit funds for refugees posted:

Ministers accused of 'disgraceful U-turn' over post-Brexit funds for refugees

Charities say 30,000 people will lose support and vital services in event of no deal

Thousands of vulnerable refugees living in the UK are at risk of losing access to vital services including housing, healthcare and school places after it emerged millions of pounds of funding will come to a halt in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The asylum, migration and integration fund (AMIF), which the EU set up in 2014, is a pot of billions of pounds to be used by EU member states to support integration of non-EU nationals, including newly recognised refugees.

Charities and non-governmental organisations (NGOs) in the UK who have received funding from the AMIF via central government have been told remaining allocations will cease immediately if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Brexit, cunts.

e: The government are the cunts, to be clear.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 4, 2019

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I probably would characterise stuff like antivax and climate denial as being often anti authoritarian, in the sense that it is refusing to trust things that do not fit within your intuitive perception, combined with an understandable distrust of "experts" having lived through decades of neoliberal technocracy.

It's just not very well formulated, unfortunately.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Private Speech posted:

My landlord once told me he's allergic to chemicals.

I didn't say anything at the time because, well, he's my landlord and I need somewhere to live.

But if he'd realised he was chemicals, and disappeared in a puff of logic, you inherit the house.

Or is that just in Scotland?

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

OwlFancier posted:

I probably would characterise stuff like antivax and climate denial as being often anti authoritarian, in the sense that it is refusing to trust things that do not fit within your intuitive perception, combined with an understandable distrust of "experts" having lived through decades of neoliberal technocracy.

It's just not very well formulated, unfortunately.

But there's no freedom of thought or expression in the anti-vaxx movement. You can't challenge the received wisdom of the celebrity whackadoo without being labelled as a baby-killing stooge for big pharma.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

OwlFancier posted:

I probably would characterise stuff like antivax and climate denial as being often anti authoritarian, in the sense that it is refusing to trust things that do not fit within your intuitive perception, combined with an understandable distrust of "experts" having lived through decades of neoliberal technocracy.

It's just not very well formulated, unfortunately.

This fits with most anti-vaxxers and climate deniers and such being firmly on the libertarian train

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

From what I understand that's because they have their own counter narrative that they gather around, because it's a narrative that they intuitively understand. One that might well be intentionally sculpted by grifters, sure, but perpetuated because it's appealing.

You'd probably get a lot of pushback arguing for capitalism among anarchists as well.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Byline writes Prince Harry is going nuclear on the tabloids, starting legal actions against multiple publications for accusations going back years, even to Piers Morgan's time at the Mirror:

https://twitter.com/BInvestigates/status/1180142273134284800

Interesting to think of it in the context of Leveson, that even after everything that happened with Leveson One the tabloids still reverted back to their old behaviour.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Brown Moses posted:

Byline writes Prince Harry is going nuclear on the tabloids, starting legal actions against multiple publications for accusations going back years, even to Piers Morgan's time at the Mirror:

https://twitter.com/BInvestigates/status/1180142273134284800

Interesting to think of it in the context of Leveson, that even after everything that happened with Leveson One the tabloids still reverted back to their old behaviour.

Is Byline reliable? We've seen quite a few examples of sloppy journalism from them in this thread, like when they reported one of those Number 10 Leaks accounts as the gospel truth.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Darth Walrus posted:

Is Byline reliable? We've seen quite a few examples of sloppy journalism from them in this thread, like when they reported one of those Number 10 Leaks accounts as the gospel truth.

Looks like there's some confirmation here:
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1180165343395880960

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Beeb has just picked it up too

E: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49940905

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
I will begrudgingly consider Prince Harry to be exactly 0.5% less of a waste of space if he just windmills into Fleet Street and fucks their poo poo up.

Edit: lol at this brand engagement that happened to me on twitter just now, good effort at trying to pick a first name out of the mayhem that is my handle & display name but I can confirm that I am not Mr George Goblin Esquire, unfortunately :v:
https://twitter.com/VodafoneUK/status/1180156692908126208

Pilchenstein fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 4, 2019

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



Dressed up as an SS Officer as a lark didn't he?

Tesla was right
Apr 3, 2009

Whats with all the robot sex avatars?
If Prince Harry can destroy the British press, I will allow the monarchy one more generation.

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

let them fight

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Dead Goon posted:

Dressed up as an SS Officer as a lark didn't he?
That's pretty common in the gay scene too, although they've toned the swastikas down a lot recently.

Everyone made a big deal of the nazi uniform, but imo the big problem was that he went to a "masters and slaves" themed party that definitely wasn't that kind of masters and slaves themed party but the bad kind where there were people blacked up.

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Lord Ludikrous posted:

So I have been sacked from the new job I started. In the middle of an afternoon training session with another manager my line manager comes in and explains that due to some “comments I’ve made” some “concerns had been raised” and “they felt I wasn’t the same person that I came across as in my interview” and that “I wasn’t going to be a good fit”. Leaving them with no choice but to let me go.

I’m frankly at a loss as to what these comments were, as I’m very careful about what I say to whom in a new job for obvious reasons. From my perspective everything was going extremely well and I was getting on with everyone and picking things up nicely. She refused to elaborate when I asked what these comments were, saying only that “I was on probation, the decision has been made and they have no wish to discuss it further.”

I cant help but think the other woman in the part of the office I was in simply didn’t like me and badmouthed me to our manager.

I’ve been in touch with my old boss and can probably get my old job back, but still, what a loving waste of everyone’s time.

From a few pages back, but if you were curious you could send a subject access request to the company and request all your data from them, especially regarding any e-mails or messages containing information about you - if you had an e-mail address there you could BCC yourself in as well, so if they say they had deleted all that stuff you can say the e-mail is still active therefore they're fibbing. If you suspect they are you can request a data audit from the ICO.

They have to do it by law (same with job interviews or anything really) so worth a punt - even a temporary worker has rights such as getting paid, holidays, no discrimination etc. I imagine you have enough on your plate at the minute, but there's a thing around not complaining and it effecting someone else in the future maybe. Always complain.

(sorry about your job)

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Reminder for Glasgoons, Meeting at 12/1 TOMORROW at the counting house! Pints and maybe some food

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Guavanaut posted:

That's pretty common in the gay scene too, although they've toned the swastikas down a lot recently.

Everyone made a big deal of the nazi uniform, but imo the big problem was that he went to a "masters and slaves" themed party that definitely wasn't that kind of masters and slaves themed party but the bad kind where there were people blacked up.

The Royal Courts of Bondage

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Tesla was right posted:

If Prince Harry can destroy the British press, I will allow the monarchy one more generation.

:hmmyes:

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

A murder suicide of the press and monarchy would be better

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Dead Goon posted:

Dressed up as an SS Officer as a lark didn't he?

It was an Afrika Korps officer apparently. Obviously it was a loving dumb thing to do but if you didn't do dumb rear end poo poo when you were 21 I dunno what to say. That's not handwaving it but he at least acknowledged it was bad and apologised which is more than some manage to do.

I don't want to sound like the royal defender but if he sues the tabloids and we get press regulation back on the table because of it then that's cool by me. And considering the press chased his mam into the grave you can sympathise with him not wanting to tolerate their poo poo when they are printing some awful poo poo about his wife.

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

forkboy84 posted:

It was an Afrika Korps officer apparently. Obviously it was a loving dumb thing to do but if you didn't do dumb rear end poo poo when you were 21 I dunno what to say. That's not handwaving it but he at least acknowledged it was bad and apologised which is more than some manage to do.

bruh

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



forkboy84 posted:

It was an Afrika Korps officer apparently. Obviously it was a loving dumb thing to do but if you didn't do dumb rear end poo poo when you were 21 I dunno what to say. That's not handwaving it but he at least acknowledged it was bad and apologised which is more than some manage to do.

I don't want to sound like the royal defender but if he sues the tabloids and we get press regulation back on the table because of it then that's cool by me. And considering the press chased his mam into the grave you can sympathise with him not wanting to tolerate their poo poo when they are printing some awful poo poo about his wife.

Hahaha, what a terrible opinion, good job!

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Jacob “Turbo Hitler” oval office-Mogg is facing calls to be sacked for the Soros remarks.

Please let this happen, Pleeeeeeeease

Just sack the whole Conservative party Imho.

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Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Don't the tabloids, constant libel luck-pushers that they are, budget for exactly these circumstances? He'll sue, settle for a undisclosed sum that the papers will pay for out of the change in their back pocket, yadda yadda super injunction maybe, it'll all go quiet for a few months, and then start all over again with some other celeb

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