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Number_6 posted:I had a '91 T-bird (my first new car) and it was definitely terrible car stuff. I mean, it would have been a fine car, if it didn't have immediate and constant problems with the paint, air conditioning, transmission, and about 50 rattles and squeaks in the poorly fitting plastic dash and door panels. However, I do have fond memories of driving over railroad tracks and hearing a loud thunder crack like noise as the entire dashboard and front console trim would unseat itself from the body flex and turn into a rattly hellhole. And that horrible torque converter earthquake rumble it would randomly do going from 3rd to 4th gear. The most terrible car stuff about that was I had the 94-95 which included, in my opinion, one of the best looking interior layouts. But... Where are the cupholders?  The cupholders were put in the center console and folded down out of the lid with a bottom hinge that swung out. Which could only fit soda cans, and anything you spilled would end up all over the trunk release and fuel door release buttons. Too much stuff in the console? Can't use the cupholder anymore. It was awful. That and your passenger would almost always over-extend the hinge on the console trying to get their drinks out: 
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Luxrage posted:My 94 I ended up inheriting in that picture had a flawless air conditioner that somehow never failed me in 100K miles! Look how little room there is between the steering wheel and driver's seat. And inconvenient cup holders? 
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stevewm posted:Posted this in the EV thread, but felt it belonged here too: Ahh, I love his videos. His series about rebuilding his Trabant's engine is great.
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Luxrage posted:My 94 I ended up inheriting in that picture had a flawless air conditioner that somehow never failed me in 100K miles! lovely cupholders? Hold my beer (because I can't fit it in my cupholders) This is what BMW gave you in 1994.   (sorry for terrible pics, they are many years old now) Yes, they are in the glove box lid. You fold them out when you want to use them. And, these were the only cupholders you got. Obviously they were only for use when stationary, and even then, could only fit like a standard size soda can. That said, given the Germans' notorious disdain for drivers who eat / drink / whatever while they were driving, this is maybe not completely unexpected.
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Yeah, cupholders were basically the glove box type thing with a couple indents. edit: Should add, take a turn at under 3 mph and coffee would be everywhere. Standard options: BEVERAGE HOLDERS -- NO CHARGE Colostomy Bag fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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VWs in the late 80's early 90's had a seat adjuster lever down by the floor that could hold a pop can or 16oz drink pretty perfectly. Looking back now I realize how absurd this was, back then I didn't really mind.
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Luxrage posted:My 94 I ended up inheriting in that picture had a flawless air conditioner that somehow never failed me in 100K miles! I drove my family's '96 Cougar XR7 for a while when I was a teen. I forgot about those cupholders  but man that car/interior was super comfortable, if typical 90s Ford quality. Our Coug had leather, though. Not visible in that photo was one of the best things I've had in a car, which was the crotch vent under the steering column. Especially when you live in the high desert and have leather seats.That car was one of the best highway cruisers I've yet experienced. It was also probably about to poo poo the bed majorly before I slammed it into the back of a Toyota Cressida and lost.
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I learned to drive stick on my dad's 2003 Jetta and I remember the cupholders came out above the radio, effectively making it unusable when the cupholders were...holding cups. It's the most passive aggressively German thing ever. 
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Previa_fun posted:I learned to drive stick on my dad's 2003 Jetta and I remember the cupholders came out above the radio, effectively making it unusable when the cupholders were...holding cups. It also had the added benefit of making the radio completely unusable after the inevitable spill left all the buttons on the radio gummed up with syrup. 
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charliemonster42 posted:It also had the added benefit of making the radio completely unusable after the inevitable spill left all the buttons on the radio gummed up with syrup. This was my exact experience with driving a Jetta.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:12
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I recall hearing that the American design arm of BMW or Mercedes sent the German home office a bunch of fast food cups in various sizes and said 'If you want to sell more cars here, design cupholders for these.'
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Oct 4, 2019 06:29
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I know "lol fat Americans big gulps lol" is a thing but also on long drives it's great to have an insulated thermos of water that will stay cold for hours. Gotta stay hydrated. If you're really pro you can sync up gas stops and piss stops but the more people you have in the car the less possible this becomes. Two years ago I drove myself, 5 other people, and 2 dogs 650 miles to the beach. Stops were...frequent.
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I can't find any pictures of my beater '99 Mustsng's cupholders, but they sucked, the rear one was massive and shallow, it wouldn't grip anything except literally just those giant Monster cans, maybe some giant fast food cups, anything else would tip out. The forward cupholder was sized perfectly for cans or coffee cups or whatever, but anything taller than a 12oz soda was smashed out of the holder by any shift into 2nd or 4th. Did a lot of drives into work with my Dunkin cup held in the rear cupholder with a homemade shim, usually made from an empty pack of smokes.
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Oct 4, 2019 10:36
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Saab 9-7x has a single cup holder in front of the center console shifter. If you are in park you can not get your beverage in our out, so make sure you only do that while you are driving. Also, your beverage will hit the climate control buttons, turning the ac on and off while you are driving. This is all so that Saab/Chevy could put their ignition where the Trailblazer usually put the cup holders, you know, because it was a fancy European vehicle now.
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Modus Man posted:Saab 9-7x has a single cup holder in front of the center console shifter. If you are in park you can not get your beverage in our out, so make sure you only do that while you are driving. Also, your beverage will hit the climate control buttons, turning the ac on and off while you are driving. Saabs had the ignition there since the 99, with the exception of the 9000. It was one of their 'things'.
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Oct 4, 2019 12:56
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For road trips in my Dad's '76 Pontiac Safari wagon, he bought a cup holder unit that fit over the transmission tunnel. Looks like they're still around. https://classicconsoles.com/floor-consoles/
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Oh yeah, they were pretty common back in the day. Had to look up the vehicle with most cup holders. The Subaru Ascent. 19.
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Is 'Mazda Maw' a thing yet? The car is really in the wrong thread 
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I'll never understand why someone who can afford a Porsche but needs a big family car would buy a Cayenne. Like why wouldn't you get an XC90 or a Land Rover or some other luxury car made by a company that's been making luxury family cars for like 80 years instead of one made by a company that makes tiny race cars.
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Oct 4, 2019 15:18
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Like the thread title says: because race car.
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Previa_fun posted:I know "lol fat Americans big gulps lol" is a thing but also on long drives it's great to have an insulated thermos of water that will stay cold for hours. Gotta stay hydrated. Camelback threaded through the headrest is the only way to do it
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This stupid stuff made me look up the L shaped cup holders that fit in the window seal. And my god they still make them as well.
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joat mon posted:Saabs had the ignition there since the 99, with the exception of the 9000. It was one of their 'things'. His point is that Saabs were obviously able to integrate cup holders with center ignition, while GM taking a Chevy and moving their ignition to make it a “Saab” is a more poorly thought out process
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GD_American posted:His point is that Saabs were obviously able to integrate cup holders with center ignition, while GM taking a Chevy and moving their ignition to make it a “Saab” is a more poorly thought out process They weren't, really. The ones in my 9-5 were a delicate fold out thing in the dash, so you couldn't use it for much. Still the best car that i have had to sit in though, Night Panel is the best.
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Agree to disagree. I love my 9-3 cup holders, I wish the flipout one was less floppy but ok i know its for crash safety reasons. The new Accord’s are kind of the ultimate form,though. Deepest sumbitches I’ve ever seen
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 you can't read it but the plate on this car was RAWRRXD
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:
I bet they're headed to the craft store to get some foam.
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Dagen H posted:I bet they're headed to the craft store to get some foam. gently caress you for reminding me of that awful video
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Modus Man posted:Saab 9-7x has a single cup holder in front of the center console shifter. If you are in park you can not get your beverage in our out, so make sure you only do that while you are driving. Also, your beverage will hit the climate control buttons, turning the ac on and off while you are driving. Trailblazers have two cup holders in front of the shifter, so whatever you put in them is positioned perfectly to crush your knuckles if you shift into park too enthusiastically. They also have one where the ignition would be in the Trollblazer but it’s too wide and shallow to actually hold anything.
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Imagined posted:I'll never understand why someone who can afford a Porsche but needs a big family car would buy a Cayenne. Like why wouldn't you get an XC90 or a Land Rover or some other luxury car made by a company that's been making luxury family cars for like 80 years instead of one made by a company that makes tiny race cars. Both of those options sound WAY worse from a reliability perspective
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MomJeans420 posted:Both of those options sound WAY worse from a reliability perspective Then why are 10 year old used Cayennes so cheap even I could afford one (until I had to take it to a mechanic)?
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The Cayenne is sold under multiple brands at this point. I frequently tow with a diesel Cayenne, it rides well, has a nice interior, gets stellar gas mileage, and has a pretty massive mileage range compared to competing SUVs. I usually see 21-22mpg towing / 28mpg unloaded highway. 26 gallon tank. Imagined posted:Then why are 10 year old used Cayennes so cheap even I could afford one (until I had to take it to a mechanic)? Welcome to used general purpose luxury vehicles. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Imagined posted:Then why are 10 year old used Cayennes so cheap even I could afford one (until I had to take it to a mechanic)? Cayenne, like the pepper.
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Imagined posted:Then why are 10 year old used Cayennes so cheap even I could afford one (until I had to take it to a mechanic)? I've actually been looking at them as you can find used Cayenne Turbos (1st gen) for under $10k. There are some common issues which have probably been fixed by this point, but they seem more reliable than I was expecting. I know multiple AI members have old ones that seem to be holding up great.
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Hell, my mate just linked me to a V10 TDI VW Touareg for £1k...
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Imagined posted:Then why are 10 year old used Cayennes so cheap even I could afford one (until I had to take it to a mechanic)? Check out what a ten year old Range Rover is worth...
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InitialDave posted:Hell, my mate just linked me to a V10 TDI VW Touareg for £1k... Yeah, this is the answer: BlackMK4 posted:Welcome to used general purpose luxury vehicles.
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When I was a kid the cup holder was between your legs on the seat
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goons posted:cheap german cars Something something, nothing more expensive than a cheap german car?
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zundfolge posted:Trailblazers have two cup holders in front of the shifter, so whatever you put in them is positioned perfectly to crush your knuckles if you shift into park too enthusiastically. Wow, I always just assumed that the trailblazer wouldn’t have cup holder there. That’s what I get for believing there was any thought put into ergonomics. I totally forgot about the flip and fold out cup holder in the dashboard because ours has been broken and stuck inside the dash for a few years now. However, I only remember it being good at spilling drinks when it did work.
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