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colachute posted:What happened to that dumbass who broke his back on a jump or some poo poo and was like “can’t wait to do summadatgruntshit and jump again!” while he was still healing? That would have been the dude who was like individually assigned in Italy or whatever.
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Funkysock posted:32 soldiers were injured, and a total of 87 ended up in the trees during a jump the other day. Both. The aircraft/aircrew have their own weather minimums, but the decision to jump also depends on the parachutists minimums. So the DZO/jumpmasters are also responsible for knowing whether it's safe for their guys to jump.
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It seems like there was a brief window in history where things were dire enough that throwing men out of airplanes was preferable to defeat by fascism. It was also not even close to the strangest idea to come out of that war.
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Maybe they were burning the last of FY2018 budget so that they’ll get enough money to have to do this exact same panic spending next year.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Both. The aircraft/aircrew have their own weather minimums, but the decision to jump also depends on the parachutists minimums. So the DZO/jumpmasters are also responsible for knowing whether it's safe for their guys to jump. I'm sure they'll figure out exactly which E-6 is ultimately completely to blame for it. Also I can't help imagining a mil-spec cherry picker somberly driving around the woods all night, plucking dudes out of trees: quote:The slow process of pulling paratroopers from the trees in a remote part of the camp meant patients trickled into a local hospital overnight and into Thursday morning.
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Bernie had a full-blown heart attack. https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1180243206706995200?s=19
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I'm curious if this jump was planned before or after Russia's exercise a week or two ago.
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I can't say it's still the same, but when I was in the 82d, if you were in harness and on an aircraft, you exited. Ground winds too high? Tuck and roll, bitch. We had a JRTX that went similar to the jump in that article, with less tree landings. According to the E4 on DZ duty, they had 23 knot gusts, with a sustained wind of something not much lower. We jumped because SecArmy (or other dumb poo poo fake important person) was in the stands. I got a concussion- I literally landed so hard I knocked myself retarded. No clue where I was, why I was in a harness, and why the guy next to me sounded like he was dying. Luckily, training had me pop my shoulder release. Guy next to me? Landed so hard he damaged the lining in his lungs according to the doc who saw him. BN said we pulled 71 chutes from trees after the jump. SMJ didn't like that we hooked them to the tow hook and just pulled them with humvees. Same jump they told us not to bring water, because most of us were immediately getting on trucks and heading back. Heat Casualties for everyone! 82d is stupid. Airborne is stupid. Most of all, I am stupid.
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EBB posted:It seems like there was a brief window in history where things were dire enough that throwing men out of airplanes was preferable to defeat by fascism. It was also not even close to the strangest idea to come out of that war. Where do parachutists fit in with a modern military anyway? If things are so dire that we can't land planes to unload soldiers, would light infantry have any survavibility? Or are they the ones taking runways and such so the heavier equipment can follow?
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Game time. Congress has subpoenaed the White House. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1180248118085988356?s=19
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Where do parachutists fit in with a modern military anyway? If things are so dire that we can't land planes to unload soldiers, would light infantry have any survavibility? Or are they the ones taking runways and such so the heavier equipment can follow? Airfield seizure, but why we need an entire division of light infantry on jump status is a great question.
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facialimpediment posted:Game time. Congress has subpoenaed the White House. https://twitter.com/UnusualVideos/status/1178779981528227840?s=20
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Flying_Crab posted:Airfield seizure, but why we need an entire division of light infantry on jump status is a great question. Hah, looks like the last time we bothered to drop paras was in Iraq, and there were already ground forces at the target. I assume someone insisted so they could pretend to be useful?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Hah, looks like the last time we bothered to drop paras was in Iraq, and there were already ground forces at the target. I assume someone insisted so they could pretend to be useful? They had planned to drop a Brigade onto BIAP. Source- on the scrubbed op.
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I'm shocked that 4/25 would do something stupid during a major training event. This is the same unit where a BN CSM had to be ordered by a full bird colonel in charge of their part of the exercise that they weren't allowed to wear the notionally destroyed body armor, because this is a unit from loving Alaska that went down to Louisiana and had to deal with going from temperatures of 0°F to 90°F without taking humidity into account, and everyone would be a heat casualty, which was the whole point of them notionally destroying the things in the first place. Edit: that was one of a litany of severe command issues with that unit while I was there. I could go on and on. loving ruined what should have been a 3 year paid vacation by trying everything possible to convince big Army not to draw down the Brigade to a Task Force. A Bad Poster fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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facialimpediment posted:Game time. Congress has subpoenaed the White House. Only part that interests me is how fast they can get this before judges to overcome the multiple insane bullshit justifications the White House legal team comes up with for Trump's stance of "gently caress you make me." I would like to think that would be a very expedited situation but I'm not optimistic.
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bird food bathtub posted:Only part that interests me is how fast they can get this before judges to overcome the multiple insane bullshit justifications the White House legal team comes up with for Trump's stance of "gently caress you make me." I don’t see the Supreme Court reducing its own power by overturning United States v Nixon.
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hobbesmaster posted:I don’t see the Supreme Court reducing its own power by overturning United States v Nixon. Probably not, I'm more worried about them vomiting bullshit justifications, stone-walling for months and months every time they come up with another excuse and turning it into another Mueller report arcane legal bickering match that nobody remembers anymore then dragging it out past the elections.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Hah, looks like the last time we bothered to drop paras was in Iraq, and there were already ground forces at the target. I assume someone insisted so they could pretend to be useful? If I recall correctly it was that airborne unit out of Italy and they got some command hardon for getting their combat jump mustard stripe. Proceeded to jump after friendly forces had the airfield, I think the Kurds. Then rumor has it spent the rest of the time running around confused trying to sort out their equipment. May be bad memory, I was too busy with the push to Baghdad with 3ID so only heard about it as a funny "what else is happening in this mess" story. Found it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Delay Spaceguns fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Flying_Crab posted:Airfield seizure, but why we need an entire division of light infantry on jump status is a great question. They probably figure you need to drop the whole division in order to end up with a battalion's worth of dudes on the ground with functional backs and knees actually able to do poo poo.
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I talked to guys on both sides of the jump- one of the dudes came to Bragg from Italy, and I did a little work with some of the SF that were with the Kurds. The dude from the 173 said that when they landed, all the SF and locals were sitting around fires, lounging a bit and enjoying some food. IIRC, the Airborne doctrine says to expect 30% combat incapable from the drop alone.
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Spaceguns posted:If I recall correctly it was that airborne unit out of Italy and they got some command hardon for getting their combat jump mustard stripe. From what I remember reading they dropped the majority of the guys into freshly plowed fields that had been turned into waist-deep mud pits after a rain storm, and high winds scattered the units to the point where it took two days to get everything sorted out and actually "take" the airfield.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a80b_story.htmlquote:On Jan. 28, Trump called Putin for what should have been a routine formality: accepting a foreign leader’s congratulations. Former White House officials described Trump as “obsequious” and “fawning,” but said he also rambled off into different topics without any clear point, while Putin appeared to stick to formal talking points for a first official exchange. quote:In a summer 2018 call with Prime Minister Theresa May, Trump harangued the British leader about her country’s contribution to NATO. He then disputed her intelligence community’s conclusion that Putin’s government had orchestrated the attempted murder and poisoning of a former Russian spy on British soil. quote:In another call, in April 2017, Trump told Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, who had overseen a brutal campaign that has resulted in the extrajudicial killings of thousands of suspected drug dealers, that he was doing an “unbelievable job on the drug problem.” What the actual gently caress. 
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Flying_Crab posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a80b_story.html quote:In a conversation with China’s Xi, Trump repeated numerous times how much he liked a kind of chocolate cake, one former official said. The president publicly described the dessert the two had in April 2017 when Trump and Xi met at the president’s Mar-a-Lago resort as “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake you have ever seen.”
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btw, a second whistleblower (has thought about) hitting the tower https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1180286546278264832 Said person was already interviewed by the IC IG, but fuckin lol if Donnie thought trashing the original whistleblower would end the whole thing. The only real step left is for the GOP Senate to go I LOVE CRIMES UNLESS THEY'RE DONE BY OBAMA in a trial.
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A Bad Poster posted:I'm shocked that 4/25 would do something stupid during a major training event. In my BN in 2-2 we had a Ranger 1SG during our Pathways mission that refused to let his Soldiers from JBLM, WA (where it's rarely warm enough to sweat outside) take off their IOTVs in the jungles of Malaysia and Thailand during the summer and threatened article 15s for anyone that heat cats. He ended up being one of the first heat casualties we had. The US Army is packed to the brim with some of the dumbest people this planet has to offer.
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Flying_Crab posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a80b_story.html Oh yeah Russia exectuted a biowarfare attack in the UK that killed several people including police officers, so Russia quite literally attacked the security forces of a foreign state and ... Nothing happened.
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Smiling Jack posted:Oh yeah Russia exectuted a biowarfare attack in the UK that killed several people including police officers, so Russia quite literally attacked the security forces of a foreign state and ... Nothing happened. What are the odds that any retaliation by the Brits will be unclassified in fifty years or so? I can't imagine this went entirely unpunished even covertly. Even if all it was, was some MI6 chap went in and urinated in Putins favorite coffee cup.
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I always enjoyed how the Army would do everything in their power to make a trooper a heat cas, then blame them for almost dying.
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Y'all should read who we currently have as https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1180303515530534914 What I can't figure out - why did he agree to get deposed by the House on Tuesday? Is he going to turn it into a shitshow, or is he going to rat? https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1180309151785897984 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Hah, looks like the last time we bothered to drop paras was in Iraq, and there were already ground forces at the target. I assume someone insisted so they could pretend to be useful? Spaceguns posted:If I recall correctly it was that airborne unit out of Italy and they got some command hardon for getting their combat jump mustard stripe. I'm late to the party here, but this whole op was a huge clusterfuck. Years afterward, I deployed with a MSG from 3rd Group who had been a team sergeant on the ground during the drop. The whole area was already secure beforehand, and the only outcome was a bunch of soldiers who got injured for no reason. He and his ODA spent the next few hours locating and extracting around soldiers with busted legs and no gear. All because the Airborne leadership wanted to have a combat jump under their belt.
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Want someone to do a cost benefit analysis for airborne that also takes into account the lifetime payouts from VA disability.
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