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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

pram posted:

it doesnt have a 'destination' at all. youre explicitly telling tar to save it to a file rather than dump it out to the tty

Dumping it to the TTY is an archaic form of output. It should default to writing the output to a file, and echoing to the terminal should be a flag

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pram
Jun 10, 2001
have you literally never heard of a pipe. lol i think you'll find almost every unix command sends its output to the archaic tty, jfyi

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
tar is also like, the cruftiest command

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
tar my balls

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug

pram posted:

have you literally never heard of a pipe. lol i think you'll find almost every unix command sends its output to the archaic tty, jfyi

code:
$ touch file
$ xz -ck test
xz: Compressed data cannot be written to a terminal
xz: Try `xz --help' for more information.
code:
# btrfs send root@20190929-095212+0000
ERROR: not dumping send stream into a terminal, redirect it into a file
redirecting to a file or to another program succeeds of course

pram
Jun 10, 2001
thank you. this is the kind of pointless pedantry that keeps me coming here year after year

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
this is the worst conversation i’ve ever read

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

echinopsis posted:

this is the worst conversation i’ve ever read

that's a high bar to clear, coming from you

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

echinopsis posted:

this is the worst conversation i’ve ever read

i have opinions about regex

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone
its weird to me that people talk so much about how to pronounce gif but nobody talks about how to say regex and almost everyone i've ever met pronounces it wrong

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
it's pronounced the same way as the people that use it

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

it's pronounced the same way as the people that use it

so the pronunciation is undecidable and often broken?

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

i like using pigz instead of tar

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
I like how all the goofuses in here ignored the fact that if you were extracting an archive with tar then it would be "the right way around", were that a thing to strive for.

"tar xf source destination"

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

bobbilljim posted:

I like how all the goofuses in here ignored the fact that if you were extracting an archive with tar then it would be "the right way around", were that a thing to strive for.

"tar xf source destination"

yeah that’s me, cherry-picking one of the two things you do with tar to demonstrate that it’s inconsistent and weird

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the only thing that can make the unix command line look good and easy is mainframe life

my brief and uneducated glances at demonstrations of (emulated) mainframes leads me to believe that it's less about entering the commands you want to run on a mainframe and more about writing code that will comprise the commands you want to run

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

my brief and uneducated glances at demonstrations of (emulated) mainframes leads me to believe that it's less about entering the commands you want to run on a mainframe and more about writing code that will comprise the commands you want to run

yes, but you have to write the shell script in, basically, malbolge

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yes, but you have to write the shell script in, basically, malbolge

literally can't be that bad

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
At least with Malbolge you're not actually expected to get anything done.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Captain Foo posted:

literally can't be that bad

spoken like someone who has never tried jcl or rpg

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

my brief and uneducated glances at demonstrations of (emulated) mainframes leads me to believe that it's less about entering the commands you want to run on a mainframe and more about writing code that will comprise the commands you want to run

there's a reason only bondage and discipline sadists like nbsd even know what mainframes do instead of just writing p-languages on unix like all the normal people

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Cocoa Crispies posted:

there's a reason only bondage and discipline sadists like nbsd even know what mainframes do instead of just writing p-languages on unix like all the normal people

on a comparative basis, unix is a liberating experience

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

tar has a complicated history and Linus isn’t involved

you see it has to b exactly one way or else a script written for system III in 1982 might behave oddly and then the gnu maintainers would commit seppuku

okay but what about the drawbacks?

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Doom Mathematic posted:

At least with Malbolge you're not actually expected to get anything done.

lol i've never heard of malbolge before


wik-e-pedia, the jimmy wales mostly-non-pornographic experience: posted:

Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. Indeed, the author himself has never written a single Malbolge program. The first program was not written by a human being: it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.

lol goddamn

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

as I said,

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

The Microsoft teams app integration backend permissions are turbofucked

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
uhhhh

so I moved into a new apartment building

There's some wacky local ISP that put an ethernet drop into my apartment. I called them and in about 13 seconds they flipped on ~300 mbit of internet for a free trial and said 'we'll call you back in 2 weeks to see how you like it'.

Their phone option for 'Tech Support' just calls their network engineer, who I spoke to in their car, and found out that they just run a Cat5 link back to their closet, and you can patch it into whatever port you want in your unit

I also discovered that they just slap everyone in my corner of the building on the same subnet with absolutely zero separation, and I can see like 4 AppleTVs on my computer right now.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Jimmy Carter posted:

uhhhh

so I moved into a new apartment building

There's some wacky local ISP that put an ethernet drop into my apartment. I called them and in about 13 seconds they flipped on ~300 mbit of internet for a free trial and said 'we'll call you back in 2 weeks to see how you like it'.

Their phone option for 'Tech Support' just calls their network engineer, who I spoke to in their car, and found out that they just run a Cat5 link back to their closet, and you can patch it into whatever port you want in your unit

I also discovered that they just slap everyone in my corner of the building on the same subnet with absolutely zero separation, and I can see like 4 AppleTVs on my computer right now.

if they can do all that poo poo they can implement a vlan for your port just ask them to do that lmao

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
i think what you meant is "cast goatse to every device you can find"

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Shaggar posted:

i think what you meant is "cast goatse to every device you can find"

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

my brother in law recently graduated and apparently the fun thing to do now is Chromecast porn to random tvs in your dorm

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Shaggar posted:

i think what you meant is "cast goatse to every device you can find"

this too really i mean

who's to blame, you or the isp who "ignored privacy matters"

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Shaggar posted:

i think what you meant is "cast goatse to every device you can find"

bonjour.jpg

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug
seems like a good idea, cause problems for neighbors and network administrators

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
lol remember the early days of cable internet when you could see other people's LANs


i remember being at a LAN party in like 2002 and i seem to recall we tried printing poo poo to a network printer we saw



EDIT: wait that wasn't cable, that was a DSL connection. i remember this because i remember the host had claimed to have "overclocked" his DSL modem into connecting to our stolen 100mb hub at 100mb rather than the usual 10mb (b/c the old-rear end intel hub didn't do any negotiating at all, it was 100mb or bust)

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

:golfclap:

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Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

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