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R. Guyovich posted:she sat out ww2 and the holocaust but the sequel is her fighting soviets in afghanistan. priorities the redbaiting will be annoying but on the bright side it'll be really easy to justify my 'wonder woman hangs out with big boss' fanfic
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R. Guyovich posted:she sat out ww2 and the holocaust but the sequel is her fighting soviets in afghanistan. priorities literally sending Wonder Woman to Afghanistan so she can fight to keep girls out of schools
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Oct 5, 2019 03:05
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lol how can someone misread a movie this bad maybe he's the freak because he watched goodfellas and thought that when they showed them murdering and generally being psychopaths those were cool things to do
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Oct 5, 2019 04:07
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Doctor Jeep posted:lol how can someone misread a movie this bad Sort of like the finance guys who think "Wall Street" and "American Psycho" show charming presentations of finance people.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:in the wonder woman movie did they imply that she prevented world war 2 and the holocaust wtf wonder women is in the red alert timeline??? guess that explains why shes fighting soviets
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people are angry about the red baiting thing but forget D.C. is terrible at making movies so they'll probably accidentally make them sympathetic or something.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Sort of like the finance guys who think "Wall Street" and "American Psycho" show charming presentations of finance people. there's something about the primitive lizard brain that even when you're seeing things you know are bad and nightmarish, so long as the subject has an abundance of material wealth you can't help but feel a little envious and that this is the image of a lifestyle you should aspire to. it's the same reason war movies become militarized propaganda, even if they're nominally anti-war. You see poo poo blowing up on the screen and enemies being destroyed, and your ape brain interprets that as exciting adventure.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:there's something about the primitive lizard brain that even when you're seeing things you know are bad and nightmarish, so long as the subject has an abundance of material wealth you can't help but feel a little envious and that this is the image of a lifestyle you should aspire to. it's the same reason war movies become militarized propaganda, even if they're nominally anti-war. You see poo poo blowing up on the screen and enemies being destroyed, and your ape brain interprets that as exciting adventure. I mean, gangsters and rappers are crazy about Scarface and we all know how that ends.
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Oct 5, 2019 06:37
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean, gangsters and rappers are crazy about Scarface and we all know how that ends. gangsters, rappers, and college dormies
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean, gangsters and rappers are crazy about Scarface and we all know how that ends. to be fair he's portrayed as "a man with a code" or whatever, he refused to kill that woman and her kids and so on, I don't think he's ever shown killing a civilian (though I did watch it only two or three times about 10 years ago) in goodfellas mafiosos are unstable garbage where you can get killed at the drop of a hat, just joe pesci's character is enough to see that and deniro cleaning house with the 2nd part of layla playing in the background
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Oct 5, 2019 08:16
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Well as the guy telling the story Henry never actually kills anyone iirc.
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On the other hand there's the Sopranos scene where they try to shake down a Starbucks
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:there's something about the primitive lizard brain that even when you're seeing things you know are bad and nightmarish, so long as the subject has an abundance of material wealth you can't help but feel a little envious and that this is the image of a lifestyle you should aspire to. it's the same reason war movies become militarized propaganda, even if they're nominally anti-war. You see poo poo blowing up on the screen and enemies being destroyed, and your ape brain interprets that as exciting adventure. It's TRUE. Billy Zane as the Phantom rocked my world
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Doctor Jeep posted:to be fair he's portrayed as "a man with a code" or whatever, he refused to kill that woman and her kids and so on, I don't think he's ever shown killing a civilian (though I did watch it only two or three times about 10 years ago) Tony murders his best friend just for dating his sister.
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Doctor Jeep posted:lol how can someone misread a movie this bad Someone else pointed out, he's probably thinking of the godfather and doesn't realize goodfellas is a different movie
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean, gangsters and rappers are crazy about Scarface and we all know how that ends. I'd say 10% of the people I've met who saw it thought that Travis in Taxi Driver was supposed to be pathetic. About 90% thought he was supposed to be sympathetic. The most common read of Rick & Morty is that Rick is a cool dude who rules, when the show explicitly calls him an irresponsible baby. People watched Fight Club and started actual IRL fight clubs. Basically it's just a really goddamn uphill battle to create a protagonist that the audience doesn't sympathize with. Especially if the audience sees themselves in the protagonist.
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Oct 5, 2019 14:41
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So are we supposed to accept the pliant cattle's opinion that we should shield the weak minds of slightly more pliant cattle from harmful influence?
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Oct 5, 2019 14:51
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Plutonis posted:So are we supposed to accept the pliant cattle's opinion that we should shield the weak minds of slightly more pliant cattle from harmful influence? If you want art to be a transcendental thing that is beyond politics and beyond audience, then whatever. If you want your art to be a communication with the audience, creators have so far been significantly off the mark when trying to communicate "this is a story about a person who sucks."
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Oct 5, 2019 15:13
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man this Martin thing is going to bring out all the insufferable film snobs huh
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Mantis42 posted:Well as the guy telling the story Henry never actually kills anyone iirc. All three of them kill Billy Batts in the trunk on the way to bury him I suspect the rest is largely because actual Henry Hill didn't cop to any murders while being interviewed for Wiseguys and the movie is lifted very heavily from that, to the point where most of the voiceover is direct quotes from actual Henry Hill including the big monologue about witness protection at the end
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it’s not really the creators’ fault, but the whole culture training people to identify with protagonists automatically. art literacy is an afterthought because the culture can only conceive of art in its commodity form.
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Oct 5, 2019 15:17
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filling my utopic visions with overpriced food and long lines
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it’s not really the creators’ fault, but the whole culture training people to identify with protagonists automatically. art literacy is an afterthought because the culture can only conceive of art in its commodity form. To be honest I'm not even sure that actually happens. When I was a kid I was more likely to come up with self-inserts than identify with any protagonists. I might just be the weird one though, usually a safe bet. Cultivation theory has always been bunk in any case.
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Oct 5, 2019 15:36
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disenyland is fascist, sure, but as a parody i swear
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it’s not really the creators’ fault, but the whole culture training people to identify with protagonists automatically. art literacy is an afterthought because the culture can only conceive of art in its commodity form. Communication is a two way street. If you one person out of a hundred misinterprets your satire as sincere, that's probably on them. If 90%+ of the people misinterpret your satire as sincere, well. If there is anything that qualifies as an 'outside the creator's control' thing, then it's probably that we're throwing a single piece of art to be a piece of mass culture, expecting that culture to be significantly more homogeneous than it actually is. It's not simply that the people selecting Oscars and the people sincerely liking Michael Bay's Transformers are of different merit (an exceedingly liberal way to put this) but that they are culturally different and both interpret and value the same objective input into subjectively different judgments.
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Mantis42 posted:Wonder Woman gonna inadvertently cause 9/11 in amazing example of girlpower. This is just The Boys
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StashAugustine posted:This is just The Boys Buddy if you think the tv show was 9/11 In the comic, 9/11 happens, but the president orders the jets shot down, having paid attention to briefings and being prepared for this. Two of them get blown up but before the third one can be fired on, something happens and the pilots are told to stand down So the seven board the plane to stop 9/11 and everything goes horribly wrong to the point that homelander just flies through a plane full of people to get out and comes out covered in blood and Gore and the plane hits the Brooklyn Bridge instead of the towers As soon as that bit of the show started I was just mumbling oh god oh no because I really thought they were going to show a 9/11 instead of a Malaysian flight whatever
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Buddy if you think the tv show was 9/11 Homelander and Queen Maeve board a hijacked plane and fry the controls in the process, so they leave everyone to crash into the ocean instead of saving anyone. Is that a separate instance in the comics or just changing things to make it not-9/11? EDIT: Never mind your last paragraph clarified.
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NightGyr posted:The show has something similar: Homelander and Queen Maeve board a hijacked plane and fry the controls in the process, so they leave everyone to crash into the ocean instead of saving anyone. Is that a separate instance in the comics or just changing things to make it not-9/11? The latter It makes sense, the show is definitely set in the late 10s, while the book is very much set in like, 2006-7 and the 9/11 scene is a flashback to again literally 9/11, it's harder to do that now in terms of making that gap in time work with the larger story of vought trying to weaponize capes
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Garth Ennis gets a not entirely undeserved amount of poo poo for his edgy poo poo but he's an incredibly smart person and aware of exactly how our military and moneyed interests collude The last arc of his Punisher Max has a couple full page text pieces about how the military preys on the marginalized, especially poc, to keep the meat grinder rolling It came out in like, 2008? Before the election, deep in Iraq. It was about Vietnam specifically but it applies broadly, obviously The Boys has a lot of problems but his seething hatred of the MIC makes it all worthwhile
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I was a little disappointed the Boys show didn’t have the moment from the comics where the Homelander, after deciding the plan is hosed up and they have to leave the people on the plane to die (by crashing into the Brooklyn Bridge, ultimately), just turns and shouts SHUT THE gently caress UP at all of them with his superpowered voice, simultaneously bursting all their loving eardrums Darick Robertson did a great job illustrating that scene
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Pirate Radar posted:I was a little disappointed the Boys show didn’t have the moment from the comics where the Homelander, after deciding the plan is hosed up and they have to leave the people on the plane to die (by crashing into the Brooklyn Bridge, ultimately), just turns and shouts SHUT THE gently caress UP at all of them with his superpowered voice, simultaneously bursting all their loving eardrums That might have been Russ Braun already but honestly I can't remember and I don't have the trade handy to look
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:That might have been Russ Braun already but honestly I can't remember and I don't have the trade handy to look poo poo you’re right and neither do I
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Oct 5, 2019 18:02
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Checked further, Robertson has the illustrator credit on the credits page, no mention of Braun. Cover by Robertson and Aviña, colorist I guess?
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Are we sure that people idolize "bad" protagonists because they're protagonists and not because they do cool but immoral poo poo that a properly socialized person is unable to do? Like, did people idolize, say, Paul Blart the mall cop? Or like Observe and Report guy?
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