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So the UK is pretty borked huh. Wonder who profits off of this other than Russia. I read no extension letter
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Does anyone have a gimmick where they reply to every tweet that James Cleverly has made with just James Stupidly? If not, I may take up the mantle.
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Rarity posted:I too can write meaningless graphs This is actually a good graph, because it shows the more Tory someone is, the more of a oval office they are. But also that there's a base level of both Tory and oval office that isn't 0, so every Tory is a oval office to some degree.
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Gatts posted:So the UK is pretty borked huh. Wonder who profits off of this other than Russia. I read no extension letter Do you have russia brain or something?
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Oct 7, 2019 13:29
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https://twitter.com/peston/status/1181183976964263937?s=21 lol
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OwlFancier posted:russia brain 
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OwlFancier posted:Do you have russia brain or something? Cause there’s no other reason I can see for Brexit other than to weaken European Union and cause fracturing. Besides Nationalism and Racism and Xenophobia and those are also the tools used to cause disruption in the US.
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‘Yes my exquisite mind’ Dom Cummies or pulpy early 2000s soviet villain, you decide.
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Gatts posted:Cause there’s no other reason I can see for Brexit other than to weaken European Union and cause fracturing. Besides Nationalism and Racism and Xenophobia and those are also the tools used to cause disruption in the US. Because the steady decline of political talent in the conservative party over the last several decades has put boris johnson, possibly the most incompetent man in british politics, in charge of it, and he thinks, not necessarily incorrectly, that it is a vehicle for him to win one election, and he has thought no further than that about anything in his life. As you go through the preceding several leaders of the conservative party you get slightly less degrees of idiocy, leading back to about Thatcher who was probably the last actual competent politician they had. And this is a trend that extends across many parties in many countries and is a direct result of neoliberal politics and the end of history idea. But no sure it's actually big brain putin and his dastardly scheme to control the world that's the problem, sure. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Gatts posted:Cause there’s no other reason I can see for Brexit other than to weaken European Union and cause fracturing. Besides Nationalism and Racism and Xenophobia and those are also the tools used to cause disruption in the US. For a few very rich fucks it's also an opportunity to sell off a whole load of British assets. Look up disaster capitalism, op.
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Jose posted:i don't understand how someone can live like this Exclusive images of Labour Outriders on their way to her location. 
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Genuinely this idea that western countries aren't capable of just driving themselves into the ground and it has to be a plot by perfidious muscovites is equal parts stupid and gross.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:38
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I can't parse that tweet at all, what the hell is she going on about?
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Guavanaut posted:
From my memories of New Labour, Blair attempted this but failed, Cameron was too weak to extend the project: the first thing May did was take apart the whole concept of a cross-cultural British identity to get those racist votes. Given the well worn argument that any identity involves rooting itself in difference, I'm not sure to what extent it's possible to build a collective identity within the constraints of national politics. The nation-state itself militates against this. Corbyn is having a good shot at redrawing the debate as the 1% vs the rest, but doesn't go so far as to embrace internationalism. In fact no British politicians other than neoliberals seem to be publically committed to an internationalist project. It is this sort of thing that makes me think "Britishness" is doomed by its own contradictions. And personally I'm all for a big internationalist project.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I can't parse that tweet at all, what the hell is she going on about? She did a tweet with the same photo before and apparently the Momentum Thugs replied to her. So now she's not afraid.
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OwlFancier posted:Because the steady decline of political talent in the conservative party over the last several decades has put boris johnson, possibly the most incompetent man in british politics, in charge of it, and he thinks, not necessarily incorrectly, that it is a vehicle for him to win one election, and he has thought no further than that about anything in his life. Por que no los dos?
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Rarity posted:For a few very rich fucks it's also an opportunity to sell off a whole load of British assets. Look up disaster capitalism, op. This too makes sense. Thanks.
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Gatts posted:Cause there’s no other reason I can see for Brexit other than to weaken European Union and cause fracturing. Besides Nationalism and Racism and Xenophobia and those are also the tools used to cause disruption in the US. Oh shut the gently caress up you lunatic. Yes, Russia has provided some funding to UKIP in the past & probably to the Brexit Party. And yes, they probably look favourably at a tiny chunk of the EU breaking of. So what? Brexit has happened because of nationalism & xenophobia & pisspoor media coverage of politics & a failure of neoliberalism leading to massive alienation among the working class which has caused a section of them to lash out against minority groups in a desperate attempt to feel like they have any power or control in this technocratic neoliberal hell that is Late Stage Capitalism. This is bad but is ultimately the fault of a "free" press in a capitalist society far more than it is Vladimir Putin, The World's Greatest Puppet Master. It's Newscorps who owns The Sun, it's the Barclay Brothers who own the Telegraph, it was pornographer Richard Desmond who owned The Express during the referendum, it is Viscount Rothermere who owns the Daily Mail. The only Russians involved in our press is Alexander Lebedev who owns what's left of The Independent which isn't even pro-Brexit. Russia brain is played out & considerably less interesting than reality. But I suppose it does allow liberals to keep their heads firmly up their own backsides & ignore how utterly their economic ideas have failed the majority of people.
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So basically yes Russia has provided funding to political parties and benefits from this and we have clear examples of meddling but I am a lunatic for saying they benefit from a weaker Europe. K.
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Gatts posted:So basically yes Russia has provided funding to political parties and benefits from this and we have clear examples of meddling but I am a lunatic for saying they benefit from a weaker Europe. No, you're a lunatic for desperately grasping on to your favourite conspiracy against all evidence to the contrary by only looking at one small factor rather the entire picture. Hope that clears it. We shot ourselves in the face. Doesn't actually matter or not if it was Putin who handed us the gun (he didn't, in this tortured analogy it's much more like he handed the gun to someone who handed it to someone x7 who then passed it off to us), we pulled the trigger. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 13:49
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Gatts posted:So basically yes Russia has provided funding to political parties and benefits from this and we have clear examples of meddling but I am a lunatic for saying they benefit from a weaker Europe. yeah you're a lunatic for pretending that this isnt how literally everyone has behaved for a century the only difference is that the west thought theyd won and have begun viewing basic competence as conspiracy
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Oct 7, 2019 13:49
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You're an idiot for blaming the building burning down on the person smoking rather than the succession of people who stuffed it full of petrol and ripped out all the fire suppression systems because it was cheaper.
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No, you're a lunatic for sayingGatts posted:Cause there’s no other reason I can see for Brexit other than to weaken European Union and cause fracturing. Besides Nationalism and Racism and Xenophobia and those are also the tools used to cause disruption in the US. There's a ton of reasons for, and instigators of, Brexit, 99% of whom are domestic, but you're sitting here going "Was it Vlad? I bet it was Vlad! Ooh, I hate that Vlad!" rather than try to understand reality.
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Darth Walrus posted:Ted Heath broke the UK's postwar economic model, creating massive economic hardship and directly setting the table for Thatcher, and was very probably a paedophilic serial killer. He was not a good Tory. Ted Heath government also did the 3-day week which labour get the blame for along with The Bins (which was under labour government).
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Purple Prince posted:So boomers saw this state of politics where both sides agreed on "let's try to make people's lives better" and decided that was some lame poo poo? Tbh by 1979 the Western world was already moving towards neoliberalism, seeing as Bretton Woods had collapsed eight years earlier and Carter had, amongst other things, appointed arch neoliberal Paul Volcker to the Fed. It's just that instead of doing that with the end goal being 'let's improve society for everyone', the defining message from then on became 'let's improve society for the rich, and only the rich, because amassing wealth is good, FYGM, survival of the fittest', and all that. Suppose Callaghan had called an election in 1978 and won a comfortable majority, and Healey succeeded him two years later. Labour likely wouldn't have destroyed the working class and the welfare state in the same way as Thatcher did, but they would've implemented a lot more neoliberal measures with the unions' approval, particularly with regards to nationalised industries. Kind of like how Bob Hawke in Australia was a massive neoliberal when his Labor party was in power, but managed to get the unions on board with his poo poo. While this is going on, Thatcherism would've been discredited as too hard, too fast, not something that wins elections. When the Tories eventually get back into power, they'd probably be lead by a new generation of wets who wouldn't really want to significantly change up Labour's reforms, and they'd likely run on moral panics and social conservatism rather than straight up 'more money for us/gently caress you' as the Thatcherites did. So yeah, in conclusion, we were always hosed.
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OwlFancier posted:Genuinely this idea that western countries aren't capable of just driving themselves into the ground and it has to be a plot by perfidious muscovites is equal parts stupid and gross. Eh, it's a known geopolitical fact that as a country's leadership structure weakens, other leadership structures will have greater freedom to impose on it. It seems like a weird kind of exceptionalism to suggest that Britain, which has been an imperial service provider for decades, cannot have its political decisions swayed by unfriendly foreign interests. I mean, just look at the housing market, which is no longer about housing the electorate (who should theoretically be where the power in a democracy rests) and more about providing currency and money-laundering opportunities for foreign billionaires. We're literally leaving our people homeless because foreign powers want us to, our entire domestic manufacturing industry got sold off in the Eighties (meaning that most of our wealth comes from inviting in foreign megacorps with bribes and concessions), and virtually every military decision for decades has been about us being called in to assist foreign interests, so why is it so strange an idea that Brexit might not have been entirely the product of our blinkered, disempowered electorate?
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Russia did an everything bad is probably one of my least favourite brainspiders.
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ty for the well wishes but ive already been here on hell island for two hilarious years, this was just my biannual extortion by the home office
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OwlFancier posted:Genuinely this idea that western countries aren't capable of just driving themselves into the ground and it has to be a plot by perfidious muscovites is equal parts stupid and gross. Purple Prince posted:From my memories of New Labour, Blair attempted this but failed, Cameron was too weak to extend the project: the first thing May did was take apart the whole concept of a cross-cultural British identity to get those racist votes. Also a bunch of poo poo like "an old woman who is the fount of all laws" and "remember the Empire". I do think it's important to build something that we can have in common so that the collective bonds without throwing up too many walls, but Blair failed because his lot had 50 marketing managers for every builder. Corbyn's class based analysis is a good one, and I think more internationalist than many. His internationalism is "green tech for the global South" like Cuba's was "doctors for the global South" and liberalism's is "sweatshops for the global South", but it does by necessity have to limit itself to geographical boundaries unless he gains Yuri mind control powers.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, it's a known geopolitical fact that as a country's leadership structure weakens, other leadership structures will have greater freedom to impose on it. It seems like a weird kind of exceptionalism to suggest that Britain, which has been an imperial service provider for decades, cannot have its political decisions swayed by unfriendly foreign interests. I mean, just look at the housing market, which is no longer about housing the electorate (who should theoretically be where the power in a democracy rests) and more about providing currency and money-laundering opportunities for foreign billionaires. We're literally leaving our people homeless because foreign powers want us to, our entire domestic manufacturing industry got sold off in the Eighties (meaning that most of our wealth comes from inviting in foreign megacorps with bribes and concessions), and virtually every military decision for decades has been about us being called in to assist foreign interests, so why is it so strange an idea that Brexit might not have been entirely the product of our blinkered, disempowered electorate? Who did the selling off, and who makes people homeless for profit, because from where I'm sitting it's the most anglo twats imaginable and always has been. Anglo voters or anglo politicians, it's as much a domestic problem as anything can be.
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Rarity posted:That post was UKIP as gently caress, yes. I wanted to see the other posts as well because people had already been saying that before just now.  right wing talking points. Either he is racist for wilfully repeating these talking points, or doesn't know better in which case he's still racist for supporting it. * which are statistically so much less common than white pedophile rings I shouldn't even have to point it out Rarity posted:I too can write meaningless graphs  Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I can't parse that tweet at all, what the hell is she going on about? She is appearing in a play in that theatre, and saw Corbyn in the building's cafe. She tweeted a picture out saying how funny it was that Corbyn & Chakraborty had come to see her play, because of course there's no other reason he could be there. Also took the opportunity to slip a ton of antisemitism slurs in there. Corbynson Tommy slid into her replies and told her to gently caress off, called her a troll, pointed out that his dad is a longtime sponsor of the theatre and that she is an idiot. Probably harsher than he should have been but a fair pop considering how long she's been smarming off at Corbyn. The tweet that was quoted was her reply to Tommy's rant, basically smarming about 'conspiracy proved, see he HATES me but couldn't resist coming to my show.' I read an article about this in the Jewish Chronicle so you don't have to. E: forkboy84 posted:No, you're a lunatic for desperately grasping on to your favourite conspiracy against all evidence to the contrary by only looking at one small factor rather the entire picture. Hope that clears it. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:He is, however, dead. So he is, in fact, a good tory. Ratjaculation posted:yes, yes, they are all dead, you're right. 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I read an article about this in the Jewish Chronicle so you don't have to. Your sacrifice for the community will not go unnoticed. You may have one (1) extra vodka ration tonight.
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OwlFancier posted:Who did the selling off, and who makes people homeless for profit, because from where I'm sitting it's the most anglo twats imaginable and always has been. Colonial buyers can always find local sellers. That's not the greatest defence of a country's sovereignty.
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*government massacres the working class for a decade while selling everything in sight* the russians did this because loving with their best tax haven is in their geopolitical interests and evwryone cares about an empire that last mattered sometime before the Suez crisis
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, it's a known geopolitical fact that as a country's leadership structure weakens, other leadership structures will have greater freedom to impose on it. It seems like a weird kind of exceptionalism to suggest that Britain, which has been an imperial service provider for decades, cannot have its political decisions swayed by unfriendly foreign interests. I mean, just look at the housing market, which is no longer about housing the electorate (who should theoretically be where the power in a democracy rests) and more about providing currency and money-laundering opportunities for foreign billionaires. We're literally leaving our people homeless because foreign powers want us to, our entire domestic manufacturing industry got sold off in the Eighties (meaning that most of our wealth comes from inviting in foreign megacorps with bribes and concessions), and virtually every military decision for decades has been about us being called in to assist foreign interests, so why is it so strange an idea that Brexit might not have been entirely the product of our blinkered, disempowered electorate? Because both sides give up the idea that anyone has any agency to decide anything and plays into the "it's no use" garbage that Capitalism has been using to frame itself as the only game in town for the last 30 years.
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Darth Walrus posted:Colonial buyers can always find local sellers. That's not the greatest defence of a country's sovereignty. If british politicians trying to do british politics in britain with british voters isn't a domestic issue then one wonders what possibly could be.
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Ratjaculation posted:Sorry missed this post. cheers bud! I haven't seen or heard any pigeons and there's usually a few around, but it's crap weather so maybe they're hiding. lil bird has moved around a little, just seems like it's trying to keep warm. There's a couple of hospitals nearish, I'll call them if I don't see anything soon
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Spangly A posted:*government massacres the working class for a decade while selling everything in sight* the russians did this because loving with their best tax haven is in their geopolitical interests and evwryone cares about an empire that last mattered sometime before the Suez crisis I mean, you're basically describing the standard British colonial model there. If your government is more interested in foreign predators than their own electorate, you probably don't have a sovereign democracy, but a client dictatorship.
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