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Is the commander in chief stuff enshrined in the constitution?
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Oct 7, 2019 14:36
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SchrodingersCat posted:I imagine Mitch McConnell could stroll into Trump's office and tell him they are going to fast track an impeachment trial and have him out by Friday unless Trump walks this back, but Mitch McConnell has no soul. Right, but the Senate doesn't actually have any power to force the president to alter a military decision. Their recourse here is limited to "we will remove you from office."
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Oct 7, 2019 14:37
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Forgive my ignorance, but they didn't subpoena Trump directly for the tax returns, just the accounting firm he used. Wouldn't that change the calculus on whether they could (or in this case, could not) ignore it?
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Oct 7, 2019 14:37
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CornHolio posted:This Syria thing is to distract everybody from the impeachment proceedings, isn't it? LMAO if you still think Trump is some kind of tactically savvy puppetmaster. He's a slobbering moron flopping around randomly.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:38
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CHEF!!! posted:poo poo like this makes me wonder about what to do if the DOJ, conveniently enough, refuses to enforce a SCOTUS ruling when they hopefully uphold the decision and tell Trump to hand over his tax returns. this is not a federal case so i would hope the DOJ does not do anything related to enforcement, it is not their job
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Oct 7, 2019 14:38
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ThanosWasRight posted:Is the commander in chief stuff enshrined in the constitution? Yes.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:38
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skylined! posted:He tweeted it with no notice to the Pentagon and no likely conference with anyone outside his very tiny circle so I'd wager that the decision to do this is somehow uniquely self serving and nothing else. What are the chances that it isn't the tower but is something like Turkey having a transcript similar to the Ukraine call and saying "boy it'd be real bad timing if that got released now."
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Oct 7, 2019 14:39
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Jealous Cow posted:I wonder how many words were between “that’s a nice tower you’ve got here in Istanbul, shame if something happened to it” and “we want you to let us invade Kurdish Syria” "I would like you to do us a favor, though."
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Oct 7, 2019 14:40
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alpha_destroy posted:What are the chances that it isn't the tower but is something like Turkey having a transcript similar to the Ukraine call and saying "boy it'd be real bad timing if that got released now." Most likely is still that he's a big wet moron who did a thing because he thought that if Turkey didn't invade, Kurdistan would send over the IS prisoners (who are not their best).
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Oct 7, 2019 14:42
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Timmy Age 6 posted:"I would like you to do us a favor, though." This is what nations do, I'll give you X you give me Y
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Oct 7, 2019 14:43
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alpha_destroy posted:What are the chances that it isn't the tower but is something like Turkey having a transcript similar to the Ukraine call and saying "boy it'd be real bad timing if that got released now." Who knows! All bets are off because the senate is aiding the obfuscation of accountability of the executive. It's really a Choose Your Own Adventure of our thinly-veiled democracy disintegrating into an autocratic regime before our eyes! eke out posted:this is not a federal case so i would hope the DOJ does not do anything related to enforcement, it is not their job Ye per the NYT piece the DOJ is not absent from trying to gently caress with this decision and case, however they don't have jurisdiction: quote:The Justice Department, led by Attorney General William P. Barr, did not say whether it agreed with Mr. Trump’s position that presidents cannot be investigated. But, citing the constitutional questions, the department said it wanted to provide its views.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:43
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The Kurds just need to announce they're investigating Biden and Trump and the thread shitposters will suddenly care a great deal about their well-being.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:45
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Sekhmnet posted:For the Kurds? -666 -1488
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Oct 7, 2019 14:45
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CHEF!!! posted:Or maybe that accounting firm throws up their hands and goes "gently caress this, we're done with this shitshow" and releases them. It's going to be this. The tax returns are not under Trump's personal control, in his office in a safe that only he has the key to, behind a moat filled with alligators and a loyal force of bodyguards. There are many links in the chain of custody for tax returns (especially big complicated corporate or rich-personal tax returns) and most of them don't have the protections of being president or even part of the executive branch. Someone is going to obey the court order.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:46
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NY judge fires a shot across the DOJ/OLC's bow. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1181203009239470080
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Oct 7, 2019 14:46
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Paradoxish posted:Right, but the Senate doesn't actually have any power to force the president to alter a military decision. Their recourse here is limited to "we will remove you from office." That's why I said it doesn't work because Mitch McConnell has no soul. This decision is terrible, one of the worst in US history, not just in Trump's time in office. If Mitch McConnell was a human being and not a manifestation of the grim reaper he'd be on a group call with Trump and Pelosi right now telling Trump he's hosed three ways from Sunday if this isn't walked back
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Oct 7, 2019 14:46
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Already appealed https://twitter.com/eorden/status/1181200431025967106
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Oct 7, 2019 14:47
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In 12 months we'll get some sort of bombshell recording of someone in the "Turkish Government" calling Trump at 9:30 PM on Sunday, October 6th, promising him dirt on his political opponents and avoidance of impeachment if he just lets them commit genocide. Trump falls for it hook, line, and sinker, and the "government official" will never make good with his promise. It's the only way to end the Stupidest Timeline. Edit: Turkish not Kurdish jesus I'm a moron
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Oct 7, 2019 14:48
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Paradoxish posted:Right, but the Senate doesn't actually have any power to force the president to alter a military decision. Their recourse here is limited to "we will remove you from office." "we'll remove you from office if you don't listen to us" is quite a lot of power to force a president to alter a military decision. in fact it is the paradigmatic way one can force someone to alter a decision they have made in their job: threatening to fire them if they do not.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:48
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I do find it a bit concerning that Republicans treat anything put in place to ensure good governance as an anti-republican conspiracy.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:55
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Ripoff posted:In 12 months we'll get some sort of bombshell recording of someone in the "Turkish Government" calling Trump at 9:30 PM on Sunday, October 6th, promising him dirt on his political opponents and avoidance of impeachment if he just lets them commit genocide. Trump falls for it hook, line, and sinker, and the "government official" will never make good with his promise. It's the only way to end the Stupidest Timeline. Trump can’t do anything for anyone else without some direct personal gain. He’s so used to scamming people that the thought of a deal where he doesn’t personally get something is foreign to him.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:56
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It's so weird that a congressman would express support more openly for Ukraine after, *checks notes*, they were invaded by Russia. poo poo, why did they leave that information out, that seems critical.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:59
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Tuff Scrote posted:Trump can’t do anything for anyone else without some direct personal gain. He’s so used to scamming people that the thought of a deal where he doesn’t personally get something is foreign to him. Although I do find it weird that he apparently unilaterally decided to approve this move of troops without notifying the Pentagon. That’s very odd. This is dumb in all ways because even his supporters in Congress are against it and he needs them more now than ever
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Oct 7, 2019 15:07
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eke out posted:"just doing nothing" is not actually an option, by the way, when faced with grand jury subpoenas from a prosecutor's office. Why not?
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Oct 7, 2019 15:07
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GlyphGryph posted:Why not? unlike Congress, the State of New York actually has quite a few jails and prisons
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Oct 7, 2019 15:08
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah the problem with Syria is that it was suffering from a critical lack of US ordinance falling from the sky. DAE hate US imperialism SO much? Those Kurds can just get genocided .  Go gently caress yourself
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Oct 7, 2019 15:10
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GlyphGryph posted:Why not? the subpoenas are directed at trump's accountants, who aren't willing to go to jail for him
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Oct 7, 2019 15:10
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LMAO, noted news source Patriot Lifelover.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:10
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181207822039683079
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Oct 7, 2019 15:11
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eke out posted:unlike Congress, the State of New York actually has quite a few jails and prisons doesnt congress have the Capitol police HQ
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Oct 7, 2019 15:11
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eke out posted:unlike Congress, the State of New York actually has quite a few jails and prisons Wanna see them convert the Capitol crypt into the Donald J. Trump Memorial Inherent Contempt Detention Center though. Especially because the statue of noted traitor Robert E. Lee is down there, and we all know how much this administration loves statues of that guy.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:12
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evilweasel posted:the subpoenas are directed at trump's accountants, who aren't willing to go to jail for him Gotta be honest I'm not super convinced That they're actually gonna go to jail for this if they just say no Has anyone at all in the Trump circle gone to jail for refusing a subpoena yet? Is that really an outcome they're going to think likely?
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Oct 7, 2019 15:15
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https://twitter.com/QuakerNana/status/1181209820956942337?s=20
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Oct 7, 2019 15:16
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You know, as much as he fights this I'd swear he's trying to hide something
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Oct 7, 2019 15:16
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GlyphGryph posted:Gotta be honest I'm not super convinced they're an accounting firm. they're not part of "trump's circle." they do his accounting, for payment (which, presumably, is slashed at random because it's Trump). they have other clients, and would like to continue doing business in new york, which is worth far more to them than the money they receive from trump. why in gods' name would they go to jail for him? what's in it for them? they're not part of the republican party with a vested interest in trump's success so they too get power, they just do accounting. also iirc Mazars agreed to collect all the documents while this was litigated so they could turn them over asap if trump lost.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:17
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GlyphGryph posted:Gotta be honest I'm not super convinced Mueller and SDNY both have already have gotten these tax returns. Mazars is a multinational company whose officers are not in the business of refusing court orders to protect only moderately-rich people. efb
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Oct 7, 2019 15:17
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This BS is reason #342 why our system isn't robust enough to handle someone like trump being in the position he is in. He is still able to pull moves like this with our military even when all signs point to him being corrupt as gently caress.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:17
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The trend of increases starts in 2014 and has flattened slightly since the tax law passed.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:18
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Presumably the judge can hold them in contempt and fine them an amount commensurate with their assets in order to compel them to hand over the goods or go broke real fast.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:19
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