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Are there any decent hate cards to counter the Golos-Field decks that are looking to make up like 75% of the win-a-set thing that's going on?
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Nothing that will just hate it out completely, but things that can cheaply answer a mass of tokens while still having utility against the rest of the field would be the place to go. Things like Legion's End, Deafening Clarion, Deputy of Detention, whatever the 2R Instant deal 2 is. That said, playing the Golos deck myself, Deputy is really the only one that would feel pretty impactful, maybe Legion's End as well. The deck is a really good two-pronged assault, and if you dedicate too much to the passive token generation, the Golos/Krasis haymakers start to wreck you. Focus on one-for-oneing the big threats, and the zombies take you down. You can try just getting in under the deck, which is possible, but that window does close up pretty quick. Cavalcade red seems like that might be the best option for that, also WG Adventure.
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Oct 7, 2019 02:30
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I went 10-2 with the Gruul Embercleave list that's making the rounds. At a certain point though it's down to luck, I would have loved to go 11-2 or 12-1 but I don't think 10-2 could have been reasonably improved on. e: Bo1 List: 
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Oct 7, 2019 02:30
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Carl Killer Miller posted:Are there any decent hate cards to counter the Golos-Field decks that are looking to make up like 75% of the win-a-set thing that's going on? it's a stupid broken deck and any attempt to interact or disrupt will end in catastrophe when you fail to account for krasis, agent of treachery, etc. etc. the only way to attack it is to do your own linear thing. the only strategy beyond 1-drop aggro that I've seen be problematic for it is the jeskai fires deck killing with either sarkan or the cavalier of flame + cavalier of gales combo little munchkin fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 02:48
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I saw only 3 Golos Fields during my run, but I didn't have much trouble with Rakdos Aggro. An Arboreal Grazer isn't much of a speed bump if you have flying 4/4 or a giant 7/6 in turn 3. It can have trouble setting up and stabilizing if you put real pressure on them from turn 1. I was also the play all three times, which doesn't hurt.
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Oct 7, 2019 03:12
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Golos field mirror matches are horrendously unfun. Just played one where it came down to my opponent milling out because they were on the draw.
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Oct 7, 2019 03:23
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berenzen posted:Golos field mirror matches are horrendously unfun. Just played one where it came down to my opponent milling out because they were on the draw. this is why you put WAR Jace in your wishboard
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Oct 7, 2019 03:26
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berenzen posted:Golos field mirror matches are horrendously unfun. Just played one where it came down to my opponent milling out because they were on the draw. i just played the mirror and my opponent lucksacked into turn 3 unmoored ego nabbing all four of my fields, but they still ended up losing to turn 2 oko + beanstalk giant beatdowns. cast off killing all non-giants means that you can get your giant in for damage through a big army of zombies. owned bitch little munchkin fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 03:57
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berenzen posted:Golos field mirror matches are horrendously unfun. Just played one where it came down to my opponent milling out because they were on the draw. this sounds awesome actually one of my Win Everything matches i was on esper stax and my golos opponent ran out of lands and conceded, it fuckin owned
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Oct 7, 2019 04:06
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I've been putting Ethereal Absolution in my Fires wishboard, it's pretty funny. The first one slows them down a ton, the 2nd one turns off field of the dead
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Oct 7, 2019 04:17
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Went 3-2 with Bant Golos Fields using the tuned BO1 list, losing to Mardu Aggro god draw and Golos mirror. I was a bit skeptical of the list since it didn't run Agent/Teferi and welp, lost the Golos mirror even after Unmoored Ego'ing their Fields. They just used Agent/Teferi bounce to steal mine 
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Oct 7, 2019 04:27
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little munchkin posted:i just played the mirror and my opponent lucksacked into turn 3 unmoored ego nabbing all four of my fields, but they still ended up losing to turn 2 oko + beanstalk giant beatdowns. cast off killing all non-giants means that you can get your giant in for damage through a big army of zombies. owned bitch Counterpoint: I, as golos fields, Fae of wishes + unmoored ego on T7 to get rid of their dance of the manse (and to check if they had a wishboard, they did not), and then a few turns later plane wide celebration for 12 life + getting a krasis back. They planar cleansing'd twice for little to no effect, and in the final turn, I wished for a veil of Summer to keep my teferi alive. It felt really good to resolve ego and basically win the game on the spot.
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Oct 7, 2019 06:05
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Argas posted:Just mash shuffling and only the odd foil here and there, so probably less than 15 in both decks combined? Using Katana outers, KMC Perfect Fit inners. They're clearly holding less air after I squish them flat (using a marble coaster, just gently pressing/letting gravity do the work before actually pushing down) than before but they're still getting some volume of air back afterwards. If I store them top-down in the flip and tray card holders, they are just a tad less reinflated over time than when I leave them top up. I wonder if you're using enough weight/time. When I do it with Dragon Shield Mattes and KMC Inners, I gently push the air out by hand and then put multiple heavy board games on top of them overnight. The weight is probably comparable to an unabridged dictionary. Sometimes I have to do it to the inners on their own first, but I forget which inner that was happening with.
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Oct 7, 2019 11:14
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Drewjitsu posted:Counterpoint: I, as golos fields, Fae of wishes + unmoored ego on T7 to get rid of their dance of the manse (and to check if they had a wishboard, they did not), and then a few turns later plane wide celebration for 12 life + getting a krasis back.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:20
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A Moose posted:I've been putting Ethereal Absolution in my Fires wishboard, it's pretty funny. The first one slows them down a ton, the 2nd one turns off field of the dead Unless they wish for Divine Visitation.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:29
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Ended up going 1-2 in yesterday's event playing Simic Food because I suck rear end, among other reasons. The deck is fun, but I'd personally lean more towards Simic Flash for the future meta. It can deal with Teferi well enough, but it almost needs to splash a color to help with with Field of the Dead.
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Oct 7, 2019 14:03
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No changes to any format in today's B&R. I'll let Hellsau take it from here.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:39
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Is the next set only a month away? Next b&r is 18 November andni thought they were a week after set release.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:52
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ilmucche posted:Is the next set only a month away? Next b&r is 18 November andni thought they were a week after set release. next set is end of January, but they've been scheduling midseason br updates in case the PT shows something that ruins the format
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Oct 7, 2019 15:58
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Katana Gomai posted:No changes to any format in today's B&R. I'll let Hellsau take it from here. Not even a note about "heh, Mox Opal sure is a WACKY card, isn't it  "?
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Oct 7, 2019 15:58
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Katana Gomai posted:No changes to any format in today's B&R. I'll let Hellsau take it from here. I'll give you a preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgflCE7zRpc
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Oct 7, 2019 16:37
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little munchkin posted:that matchup is almost unlosable for you but gj Yeah, it is what pushes dance manse revolution out of the meta and relegates it to gatekeeper status.
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Oct 7, 2019 16:38
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Katana Gomai posted:No changes to any format in today's B&R. I'll let Hellsau take it from here. Are you loving joking, Wizards? At least loving ban Ephemerate, since that's the most obvious busted single card, even though Tron would immediately be tier 0. Jeskai's been half of the challenge top 8s for two months, what are you loving doing, gently caress. god drat it
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Oct 7, 2019 16:41
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So if this thread were Wizards of the Coast, what besides Mox Opal's getting banned next time?
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Oct 7, 2019 16:44
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Tubgoat posted:So if this thread were Wizards of the Coast, what besides Mox Opal's getting banned next time? We should be banning ancient stirrings and manamorphose at the same time. If people want to turn the format into midrange FTW, than the need to get rid of all the efficient cheat cards. EDIT: Maybe a couple of the other insane enablers like once upon a time, but I'm not sure it's good enough to be an issue if stirrings is gone. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 16:47
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Tubgoat posted:So if this thread were Wizards of the Coast, what besides Mox Opal's getting banned next time? Everything in tier 1 decks, because only my lovely tier 3 deck should be allowed to exist in Modern.
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Oct 7, 2019 17:10
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Count Bleck posted:Everything in tier 1 decks, because only my lovely tier 3 deck should be allowed to exist in Modern.
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Oct 7, 2019 17:12
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rkajdi posted:We should be banning ancient stirrings and manamorphose at the same time. If people want to turn the format into midrange FTW, than the need to get rid of all the efficient cheat cards. I think once upon a time is nice compromise. It digs for free if situational, but costs 2 to see five (four?) otherwise
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Oct 7, 2019 17:29
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Manamorphose probably needs to go just because there are so many design spaces that it breaks wide open, even if it's not a huge offender right now. Mox Opal has to go. Astrolabe was the straw that broke the camel's back and now artifact decks just get to have Mox Rainbow while everyone else has to play on-curve. It's too much. Even disregarding metagame considerations it's an order of magnitude more powerful than half the current banned list.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:07
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turns out a one mana artifact cantrip is a broken card, and giving it the ability to provide perfect mana forever was a bad idea
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Oct 7, 2019 18:25
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Tubgoat posted:So if this thread were Wizards of the Coast, what besides Mox Opal's getting banned next time? Field of the dead in standard. Stirrings, Opal, and Spirit Guide in modern. And Valakut but only because screw that trash, not for any legit reason. Plague Engineer on watch in modern and legacy. Wrenn and Six and True-Name in legacy. Narset and PO in vintage. Basically all of pauper. Ephemerate, a tron land (Mine because it has the worst art,) Delver, Rancor, Astrolabe. Mulldrifter on watch. Unban Twin and Pod. And that's just to start.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:32
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suicidesteve posted:Field of the dead in standard. Stirrings, Opal, and Spirit Guide in modern. And Valakut but only because screw that trash, not for any legit reason. Plague Engineer on watch in modern and legacy. Wrenn and Six and True-Name in legacy. Narset and PO in vintage. Basically all of pauper. Ephemerate, a tron land (Mine because it has the worst art,) Delver, Rancor, Astrolabe. Mulldrifter on watch.  Seriously, gently caress Field of the Dead so loving hard. I didn't think it was gonna be any good when it was spoiled but it's actually loving bullshit.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:44
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Plague Engineer is definitely a problem that the banned list needs to solve.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:45
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Tubgoat posted:So if this thread were Wizards of the Coast, what besides Mox Opal's getting banned next time? every single counter spell and sweeper, all card draw in blue but only blue, all hexproof, all infect. your new meta game is land destruction, discard, mill, and etb creatures.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:50
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plague engineer isn’t too powerful but it’s a dumb, miserable card that doesn’t have to exist
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Oct 7, 2019 18:51
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Thank you all for the replies!
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Oct 7, 2019 18:54
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I said I'd sell my Standard collection if they didn't ban Field, so I'll be eBaying later! Standard, Modern, and Pauper are all terrible right now. I hope draft is as fun as it's felt so far the few times I've been able to try it in paper or I'll have nothing I want to play again.
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Oct 7, 2019 18:58
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Ah yeah I didn't even consider standard. It's maaaaybe possible for the format to adjust to Field but as a rule lands that win the game are loving miserable in standard at best, and it's not even clear to me that it's actually possible for the format to adjust. If the best option is casting an Unmoored Ego then we're in fuckin trouble
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Oct 7, 2019 19:08
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:plague engineer isn’t too powerful but it’s a dumb, miserable card that doesn’t have to exist Modern Horizons was a mistake and has negatively affected all formats it has touched. There are zero healthy contructed formats right now.
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LifeLynx posted:Standard, Modern, and Pauper are all terrible right now. That would be funny if we all became EDH players
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