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evilweasel posted:this was such a uniquely bad decision to make at this particular time that it simply baffles me that he could stumble into it by accident yeah. if this were one of those pick your own adventure books. he would always pick the path that ends with fire ants crawling up your rear end in a top hat and killing you because he though poo poo on ant hill was a good idea each time. Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm legit wondering if Miller or someone isn't atleast partly behind this tbh does miller care about the kurds enough?
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evilweasel posted:i really can't quite wrap my head around that while trump is facing such a serious impeachment crisis that most of the republicans in the senate are in hiding to avoid reporters, and are unwilling to defend him, that what trump chose to do was to find the one thing that would get even his most loyal toadies to grow a spine and did it The President is very stupid
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sexpig by night posted:I think Trump genuinely thinks just letting an ethnic cleansing happen will somehow help him and I have no idea why Trump definitely believes "wars bad", and he knows we have troops in Syria, I think he just said "withdraw the troops" with no understanding that these troops were basically there to not shoot people, rather than shoot people He's also fundamentally opposed to the idea of spending money on anything that helps someone other than the US. This is extremely on brand for things he cares about, I don't think he understood that it could lead to ethnic cleansing at all.
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I'm on Google News and there's nothing about this Syria clusterfuck in my top headlines - not under US, World, or otherwise. It's all tax returns, impeachment, the new supreme court docket, Boris Johnson, etc., etc. This makes me concerned about how much actual traction it's getting in headlines.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:tbf trump literally doesn't know anything at all about foreign policy so it's not like he had even an inkling that everyone would call this 'dumber than nuking hurricanes' I disagree; he's threatened to do this a few times in the last year and has met some moderate push back each time. Like, 2-3 times this has happened and he finally just gave the order with no warning.
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Gotta get that dig at Obama in there. Never mind who finally found bin Laden and negotiated Iran off the nuclear brink.
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poo poo. i am sure their are caviets to his statement but ok.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm legit wondering if Miller or someone isn't atleast partly behind this tbh Yea it's gotta be some freak in his ear who told him the Kurdish militias were mainly a bunch of commies or something
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evilweasel posted:this was such a uniquely bad decision to make at this particular time that it simply baffles me that he could stumble into it by accident. its the sort of bad decision that should require careful consideration, planning and devotion to intentionally making bad decisions. Why does it baffle you? He is literally an idiot who speaks like a toddler because his brain is broken and the chuds thought he'd be good for America, or at least bad for the people they hate. Trump is selling out US allies left and right. Why would this not accelerate once adversary nations figure this out?
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Deptfordx posted:Oh my god he actually said that. My brain refused to accept that and I had to check. I think that's an appropriate reaction to the realization that you are living in a pathological reality. Don't let it overwhelm you, definitely take some time off from reading this stuff if you would like, and know that feeling that way means that you're still not fully wrapped up in the President's mind games.
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Groovelord Neato posted:great illustration of trump's incoherence is how much he brags about beefing up our military but also the soldiers should all be home. Is that really incoherent?
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CPColin posted:Never mind who finally found bin Laden That one isn't the Obama win you're looking for.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. if this were one of those pick your own adventure books. he would always pick the path that ends with fire ants crawling up your rear end in a top hat and killing you because he though poo poo on ant hill was a good idea each time. Miller cares about getting brown people killed and assuredly feels zero loyalty whatsoever to some leftist brown muslims. skylined! posted:I disagree; he's threatened to do this a few times in the last year and has met some moderate push back each time. Like, 2-3 times this has happened and he finally just gave the order with no warning. I'm aware of nothing even close to this. We were already in a state of extreme draw down due to Trump's previous 'gently caress syria i want nothing to do with it' orders Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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evilweasel posted:this was such a uniquely bad decision to make at this particular time that it simply baffles me that he could stumble into it by accident. its the sort of bad decision that should require careful consideration, planning and devotion to intentionally making bad decisions. The only thing that has proven consistent in trying to decipher trump's decisions is finding how it benefits him personally. That's all that matters to him; either he's being blackmailed, or was offered a business deal, or more dirt on biden, or was somehow convinced that this would be a net good and play to the anti-imperialist part of his base.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Why does it baffle you? He is literally an idiot who speaks like a toddler because his brain is broken and the chuds thought he'd be good for America, or at least bad for the people they hate. their bafflement is easy to understand. trump is an eldritch tabula rasa of stupidity, you keep looking and thinking you see stuff/meaning/reason but you don't.
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turnip kid posted:Michael Tracey really sucks and I wish people would stop talking about him. He belongs in the RWM thread at this point. I've never even heard of him outside of this thread and he seems to be just another punching bag that people inadvertently signal boost by reposting his garbage every day.
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skylined! posted:The only thing that has proven consistent in trying to decipher trump's decisions is finding how it benefits him personally. That's all that matters to him; either he's being blackmailed, or was offered a business deal, or more dirt on biden, or was somehow convinced that this would be a net good and play to the anti-imperialist part of his base. "THEY CAN'T IMPEACH ME IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS!"
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Dapper_Swindler posted:poo poo. i am sure their are caviets to his statement but ok. it still has the "but i'm not sure it warrants impeachment" part but it's definitely much more on the romney side of the responses than the graham side and that's even before coming out and torpedoing the whole fake scandal
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luxury handset posted:this is the mystery. what did they talk about that would cause trump to instigate a fuckup of such magnitude? or is trump just in a mood and there's no more even semi-competent people around him to check his behavior? Trump Tower Istanbul opened yesterday. That's it. This is Trump's quid pro quo to Erdogan in exchange for his tower. Helps that big daddy Putin likes the move too.
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sexpig by night posted:I think Trump genuinely thinks just letting an ethnic cleansing happen will somehow help him and I have no idea why It's more likely that Trump had no idea that pulling the troops in such a way implies an ethnic cleansing. It's not like he consulted with anyone before making the call, and Erdogan certainly was not going to volunteer that bit of info.
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skylined! posted:The only thing that has proven consistent in trying to decipher trump's decisions is finding how it benefits him personally. That's all that matters to him; either he's being blackmailed, or was offered a business deal, or more dirt on biden, or was somehow convinced that this would be a net good and play to the anti-imperialist part of his base. Which jives with what Erdogan has been telling Turks for the past week or so.
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Combatace posted:For whatever reason, I keep getting Trump ads and other super super super right wing Youtube ads despite being Incognito, but I don't think the messaging is on point for this one. Sorry to spoil your fun, but if it's like past "surveys", you have to give Trump's campaign $30 to participate.
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evilweasel posted:it still has the "but i'm not sure it warrants impeachment" part but it's definitely much more on the romney side of the responses than the graham side yeah and if trump fights back about the kurds it will only get worse for him.
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theflyingorc posted:Trump definitely believes "wars bad", and he knows we have troops in Syria, I think he just said "withdraw the troops" with no understanding that these troops were basically there to not shoot people, rather than shoot people skylined! posted:I disagree; he's threatened to do this a few times in the last year and has met some moderate push back each time. Like, 2-3 times this has happened and he finally just gave the order with no warning. Yea, I'd believe he was just shootin poo poo if he hadn't done this before and while I don't really think we should be in Syria as a whole of all the things to do to 'get us out' he's been told multiple times 'well no just leaving without some kind of assurances for Kurdish independence and safety is absolutely insane, Turkey is gonna kill those people' so he knew what he was doing when he pulled this poo poo.
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evilweasel posted:i really can't quite wrap my head around that while trump is facing such a serious impeachment crisis that most of the republicans in the senate are in hiding to avoid reporters, and are unwilling to defend him, that what trump chose to do was to find the one thing that would get even his most loyal toadies to grow a spine and did it Because he doesn't have the ability to look at the implications of his actions except for he he thinks it means for him. He sees it as an attempt to get us out of a long running war, because he expects to get good reaction for bringing our boys home. And under many circumstances, thats not a terrible political instinct. If he had signed a withdrawal from Afganistan that wasn't gonna be at Camp David on the week on 9/11, that would have probably given him a boost. But since they hosed that up, he was looking for something else to give him a similar bump. So he decided, sure lets just pull out of Syria. He didn't ask the military for their opinion and pretty obviously didn't ask anyone in congress, he just had this brilliant idea and told some underling to make the tweet. He didn't consider the impact of it on our allies because he doesn't give a poo poo about anyone other than him. He didn't listen to any advisors because he thinks he knows more than any of them. So he just did it and expected to be handed a Nobel Peace Prize
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Or Turkey told him they were gonna do it regardless and he decided loving off would be less unpopular than flag draped caskets. turkey, a NATO member, is not going to unilaterally threaten soldiers of the united states, the keystone NATO member
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Part of me thinks Trump thought pulling out troops would be a thing that people would like, and that it would bring him praise. Right now he’s getting poo poo on day and night about this impeachment thing and he can’t stand to not get positive reinforcement, so he thinks doing this thing will get people to say good things about him again. He is an idiot.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1181265449062940674 jesus why does he look like judge doom.
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sexpig by night posted:Yea, I'd believe he was just shootin poo poo if he hadn't done this before and while I don't really think we should be in Syria as a whole of all the things to do to 'get us out' he's been told multiple times 'well no just leaving without some kind of assurances for Kurdish independence and safety is absolutely insane, Turkey is gonna kill those people' so he knew what he was doing when he pulled this poo poo. I'm not going to call you wrong, but this requires that Trump heard a thing and remembered it Even odds.
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Zinkovich posted:I'm on Google News and there's nothing about this Syria clusterfuck in my top headlines - not under US, World, or otherwise. It's all tax returns, impeachment, the new supreme court docket, Boris Johnson, etc., etc. It's on the front page of msnbc, fox, cnn, huffpo, drudge, daily kos, cbs.... A lot of it is about the republican response.
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evilweasel posted:i really can't quite wrap my head around that while trump is facing such a serious impeachment crisis that most of the republicans in the senate are in hiding to avoid reporters, and are unwilling to defend him, that what trump chose to do was to find the one thing that would get even his most loyal toadies to grow a spine and did it Because you are dealing with a pathological narcissist who is literally incapable of behaving in a rational manner. His brain is broken in a very specific way, and once you understand the specifics of how his brain is broken there is a certain rhyme to his actions, although not a reason. You know how in situations of extreme trauma the brain can enter a disassociated state? Survivors of extreme situations will often describe going into an "autopilot" mental state we're all internal dialogue has seized and they are simply acting. Well... This state can also be triggered in children, and if you trigger a child into this state (through extreme stress) enough times....then one time they will remain in that state basically permanently. When this occurs normal maturity and development of an inner World effectively ceases, and the individual goes through puberty and enters adulthood without an internal monologue. They are simply acting, they are simply pursuing the desires of the ID. Individuals in this state effectively become addicted to their own neural chemistry, that is to say their brain rewires itself to pursue pleasurable experiences exclusively. Whatever causes a natural dopamine dump in their brain is what these individuals will relentlessly pursue. Another factor in being trapped in this permanent state is the total lack of self-awareness, or perhaps a complete lack of awareness of the self. Trump cannot get any feedback on himself or his existence internally, heat depends completely on external sources of feedback in order to know he even exists. He literally needs other people to be reacting to him at all times in order for him to even be aware that he exists; absent some sort of constant human feedback he feels an existential dread that he will do anything to avoid. Trump is an addict; he is an old addict who has been on a long-term binge and it's catching up with him, and he is self-destructing. Trump does not have the capacity to formulate a logical plan and act on it, he asked purely on Instinct, and the only goal he pursues is his own self-gratification in the moment. Trump is no more capable of behaving rationally than are heroin addict is of refusing 1 hit of heroin right now in exchange for a promise of 5 hits of heroin tomorrow. Somehow Trump got it in his head that pulling all US forces out of that area would make him feel good, and so he did it. If you want to understand Trump's actions, just recognize that he is an addict and his addiction is human attention. There is no deeper motivation/no capacity for a deeper agenda than Trump's need to feel powerful and be at the center of attention in the moment. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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luxury handset posted:turkey, a NATO member, is not going to unilaterally attack the united states, the keystone NATO member Could be some hella 5D chess, but it sure looks like they told him they were gonna invade Northern Syria. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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hahahahaha gently caress off. also reading that book. how do you even make a series off of that. its like 10 pages of the book.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Or Turkey told him they were gonna do it regardless and he decided loving off would be less unpopular than flag draped caskets. You're literally as dumb as Trump if you think Turkey was going to blow up a ton of american regular forces and SOF in airstrikes. Especially after literally years of practicing restraint specifically towards anything flying an American flag
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Is it gonna be one of those terrible “Newsroom” videos but with Trump? 
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