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Reprint Sowing Salt, tbh. Honestly I don't know why we couldn't have gotten a Tec Edge or Ghost Quarter reprint in M20.
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Magnetic North posted:I wonder if you're using enough weight/time. When I do it with Dragon Shield Mattes and KMC Inners, I gently push the air out by hand and then put multiple heavy board games on top of them overnight. The weight is probably comparable to an unabridged dictionary. Sometimes I have to do it to the inners on their own first, but I forget which inner that was happening with. Might be time but weight shouldn't be an issue. I've been clamping down the marble coasters after gently compressing the stack by hand. Some of the Katana sleeves I used were tight during double sleeving that it's possible I slightly stretched them permanently in the process, but I've also had Katanas where the perfect fit slid in without issue, and I've been testing some other outer sleeves too and they've all had the same issue with puffing up slightly. At this moment I'd chalk it down to the KMC perfect fits but my LGS doesn't have any Dragon Shield inners in stock and I want to try their sealable inners too.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:37
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I'm not usually big on Standard bans, but they're slipping back into old habits of providing incredibly powerful stuff and then not letting us interact with it. Maybe if Hushbringer actually had the full Torpor Orb ability to shut off land ETBs that would help, but really the only option right now is Unmoored Ego or incredibly expensive land destruction that only takes care of Field once it's out (and probably triggered at least once). I've had to shift Ashiok to the main just to try to keep them from searching, but that's just a (very fragile) speed bump that also slows me down so they have time to just assemble their lands the old fashioned way and/or spend those turns dealing with my poo poo. The up-side is it saved my rear end against a rogue Chalice of Eternity reanimator-style Loch Ness Monster thing I ran into. I love that Standard has a different line of attack with lands. But I'd also love to actually be able to beat that strategy some way other than "just do your own linear thing and try to win faster than they do". In other news, why the gently caress does every pushed rare and mythic from Throne seem to have haste? Questing Beast is utterly obnoxious right now, and I'm really struggling to picture the process around how they designed that card and just kept tacking on more and more text. Mat Cauthon posted:Reprint Sowing Salt, tbh. Yeah at least for the BFZ utility lands we had the Devoid equivalent whose name I forget but that did the same thing but exiling instead of destroying. If you print powerful lands and enablers like I Can't Believe It's Not Explosive Vegetation, Growth Spiral, and Risen Reef, just give us equally powerful answers to keep things fun. Sickening posted:What formats is Arcum's Astrolabe ruining? Legacy and the current plague of Wrenn and Six piles.
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Tubgoat posted:
Field of the dead would be fine if they had bothered printing any land destruction or blood moon edfects
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Oct 7, 2019 20:00
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if there was a torpor orb type effect that also hit haste i think that would be main deckable in this standard honestly
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Oct 7, 2019 20:02
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sit on my Facebook posted:as a rule lands that win the game are loving miserable in standard at best
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Oct 7, 2019 20:03
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It's clearly just a ploy by wizards to drive up zombie token prices
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Tubgoat posted:
You know, I wonder how much of the problem is that the way to make FotD bullshit is largely just to do the same bullshit that modern manabase design philosophy incentivizes you to be doing anyway. Like right now if you're playing a three-color deck, you can play at least seven differently-named lands (your three basics, the three shocklands in your colors, plus at least one scryland) before you even start looking at the lands that you'd ordinarily feel bad about putting in a Constructed deck.
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Oct 7, 2019 20:05
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Sickening posted:What formats is Arcum's Astrolabe ruining? Quite literally all of them except Vintage at this point E: it’s broke in Modern Whirza, broke in 4 colour masturbatory value piles in Leg, broke rear end in Pauper Card is broke
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Oct 7, 2019 20:16
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LifeLynx posted:I said I'd sell my Standard collection if they didn't ban Field, so I'll be eBaying later! Keep stuff that's good in EDH, the only good format
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Oct 7, 2019 20:29
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Oct 7, 2019 20:43
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There's an arena-specific one in Games.
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Draxion posted:There's an arena-specific one in Games. Cheers
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Kraps posted:Is there a new MTGA thread or is this it also? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897805&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Katana Gomai posted:Modern Horizons was a mistake and has negatively affected all formats it has touched. There are zero healthy contructed formats right now. turns out deliberately designing cards to impact eternal formats leads to a lot of mistakes.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:01
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"A pitch they wish they could get back," I think is about the consensus right now.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:05
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Unironically wondering if Brawl isn't the most well-balanced constructed format right now. Looks like Chulane might be the best... Brawler? But it's a format not touched by Modern Horizons or Field of the Dead. Someone stop me from building a Brawl deck (possibly by reminding me that I'd be the only one around me with a Brawl deck).
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LifeLynx posted:Unironically wondering if Brawl isn't the most well-balanced constructed format right now. Looks like Chulane might be the best... Brawler? But it's a format not touched by Modern Horizons or Field of the Dead. Someone stop me from building a Brawl deck (possibly by reminding me that I'd be the only one around me with a Brawl deck). Framboise posted:Keep stuff that's good in EDH, the only good format Should also add "because people actually play EDH". Lot harder to find games of brawl.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:In other news, why the gently caress does every pushed rare and mythic from Throne seem to have haste? Questing Beast is utterly obnoxious right now, and I'm really struggling to picture the process around how they designed that card and just kept tacking on more and more text.. Because the last decade or so has relied so heavily on ETB effects on creatures that if they don't have one, they need to be amazing to see play. A creature with 7 pages of text, but no ETB needs haste or an ability worth the risk Framboise posted:Should also add "because people actually play EDH". Lot harder to find games of brawl.
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I can see something from whirza going. Don't see how plague engineer is that bad. Seems like it was aiming for humans and to a lesser extent spirits but whiffed and took out all the goofy tribal decks. Astrolabe is really strong. Is simian spirit guide looked at because it's a free mana the opponent can do nothing about?
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Because the last decade or so has relied so heavily on ETB effects on creatures that if they don't have one, they need to be amazing to see play. A creature with 7 pages of text, but no ETB needs haste or an ability worth the risk I'm just getting back into Magic after not playing since the Urza's cycle in the early 2000's, and Brawl seems super awesome. The extraordinary cost of modern decks makes me want to shoot myself, and now that I'm working and have kids I don't always have the time to spend a whole day playing a few EDH games at a FLGS. Plus the Brawl deck special on MTGA was tons of fun. So if I could get games I'd love to play Brawl. If I can't I'll probably build some EDH decks.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Because the last decade or so has relied so heavily on ETB effects on creatures that if they don't have one, they need to be amazing to see play. A creature with 7 pages of text, but no ETB needs haste or an ability worth the risk. I wonder if Questing beast would be played anywhere near as much if it was a 4/4 for 4 with only 5 abilities instead of 6.
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ilmucche posted:I can see something from whirza going. Don't see how plague engineer is that bad. Seems like it was aiming for humans and to a lesser extent spirits but whiffed and took out all the goofy tribal decks. Astrolabe is really strong. I think a super narrow thing like tribal hate is fine and good.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I wonder if Arena having Brawl will push it into becoming an actual paper format people want to play, or if it will just mostly be played on Arena. Hard to say. I'd be more than happy to play Brawl on Arena. But my reasons for not wanting to play paper brawl are the same as why I don't really want to play standard. Rotating formats just don't appeal to me. If Brawl just became an eternal format from like, Tarkir forward, I think it'd be quite popular on paper and significantly less busted than what EDH can be. (I like busted EDH, but I know it drives people away too.) Framboise fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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ilmucche posted:I can see something from whirza going. Don't see how plague engineer is that bad. Seems like it was aiming for humans and to a lesser extent spirits but whiffed and took out all the goofy tribal decks. Astrolabe is really strong. plague engineer sucks because it's great against 1-toughness creatures in general, which makes it a maindeckable card that incidentally hoses a chunk of the metagame ssg is one of those cards that isn't always a big player in the metagame, but has never led to anything that resembles good gameplay
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Retromancer posted:I wonder if Questing beast would be played anywhere near as much if it was a 4/4 for 4 with only 5 abilities instead of 6. As long as three of them were "Haste, ignore chumps, nuke planeswalker", it probably would.
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Yeah why the gently caress does a 3 mana planeswalker start with 6 loyalty on turn 2 (without fail it's always turn 2 off a goose then +2 to replace the food token). I also don't get why his second ability is a +1 instead of a -1. We've come a long way from Kiora costing 4 and starting on 2 (/3) with just a +1 to nerf a single creature.
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Sickening posted:I think a super narrow thing like tribal hate is fine and good. That's not what Plague Engineer is, though. It's solid against a pretty broad range of opponents. Any matchup where killing an x/1 and trading with another creature or removal spell is useful, it's a playable card. I don't think it's too good for modern, or anything, but it's a very demoralizing and unfun card to play against when it's doing its expected job of destroying tribal decks. There just isn't much upside to it existing, it's not like humans or spirits was taking over the metagame or anything, and there are a lot of fun tribal decks that are perfectly fine for FNM like Elves, Goblins, Merfolk, Slivers, etc.
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It sucks when it changes bitterblossom text to read "lose 1 life every turn", but is manageable with pretty much any removal. Oko and small teferi are worse to play against.
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ilmucche posted:It sucks when it changes bitterblossom text to read "lose 1 life every turn", but is manageable with pretty much any removal. Oko and small teferi are worse to play against. Yeah, "sucks to play against, but is manageable" is definitely the best way to describe it, which isn't exactly shining praise for the design of the card.
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Sickening posted:I think a super narrow thing like tribal hate is fine and good. Super narrow 3 mana edict with a tacked on conditional plague wind. BaronVonVaderham posted:Yeah why the gently caress does a 3 mana planeswalker start with 6 loyalty on turn 2 (without fail it's always turn 2 off a goose then +2 to replace the food token). I also don't get why his second ability is a +1 instead of a -1. Mine are always turn 3 off of a Grazer I drew on turn 2.
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I think they printed Plague Engineer as a safety valve against Humans mainly. Since creatures keep getting pushed and the tribe with biggest representation is Humans (and it can play 5 colors), it's not hard to see it maybe dominating the format. It was the best deck for a time with a reason. But yeah, the side effect is just hosing all the cool tribal decks.
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eldraine already turning the legacy metagame upside down: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-ubg-103358#paper
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I wonder if Arena having Brawl will push it into becoming an actual paper format people want to play, or if it will just mostly be played on Arena. I bought the brawl deck and immediately started taking it apart to turn into an EDH deck, so I'm going to guess no.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:eldraine already turning the legacy metagame upside down: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-ubg-103358#paper I think the person playing that deck has a stack of Guardian Beasts in Paper
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TheKingofSprings posted:I think the person playing that deck has a stack of Guardian Beasts in Paper this is the kind of market manipulation i can get behind
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Hey idiots the existence of a 3 mana 2/2 with deathtouch that demands removal from tribal decks isn’t overpowered, Jesus Christ. I can’t believe how dumb I think this take is. “Well I could have killed you on turn 4 if you didn’t cast a 2/2 on your turn three!!” is the most baby poo poo I’ve read in this thread in a while. Yeah I know none of you said exactly that but it’s my strawman and it looks how I want it to look.
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