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Zoro's the traitor. He just got lost really, really badly this time. When it's pointed out to him he'll fix it with swords. This is One Piece.
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So this was a pretty insane find someone on twitter found. Oda may have revealed some of the Rocks pirates over 500 chapters ago! https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ddx40q/manga_spoilers_somebody_found_them_oda_you/
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Oct 6, 2019 05:57
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Viridiant posted:Has there ever been anyone in One Piece who betrayed the good guys who wasn't almost immediately forgiven? cp9.
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Oct 6, 2019 06:13
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Julias posted:cp9. Ah, you're right. God dammit CP9.
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Oct 6, 2019 06:25
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cp9 had a redemption arc cover story (except for lucci he still sucks)
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Oct 6, 2019 06:48
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Ryaomon posted:cp9 had a redemption arc cover story (except for lucci he still sucks) Lucci's redemption was caring for the rest of CP9 and saving them, and then going back to CP0 instead of staying with them I guess.
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Oct 6, 2019 08:20
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Isn't Kaku also in CP0?
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Oct 6, 2019 08:47
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Yeah, I think CP0 is just 9 with the numbers switched and some extra recruits.
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Oct 6, 2019 10:28
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There's a good chance that Shyaky (the former pirate who runs a bar in Sabondy) was a Rocks Pirate member too, given that she said that Garps was chasing after her 40 years ago. Also brought up by Japanese readers as seen in SBS (Volume 90). https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_90 quote:D: "Pirates", "40 years ago", and "Garp" were used to talk about Shakky before. Is there some relationship between Shakky and Rocks? -P.N. WE Part-timer
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Oct 6, 2019 11:48
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Completely unsubstantiated theory but I think Rayleigh was also part of Rocks and was recruited by Roger after Rocks' defeat.
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Oct 6, 2019 12:12
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RatHat posted:Completely unsubstantiated theory but I think Rayleigh was also part of Rocks and was recruited by Roger after Rocks' defeat. We see Roger recruit Rayleigh a long time ago when the both of them were young and Roger was still sporting his straw hat back then.
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Oct 6, 2019 13:07
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Damnit.
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Oct 6, 2019 13:58
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I bought the official Korean version of the first Vivre Card Pack (containing all characters until the Buggy Arc + post timeskip Strawhats) and it's funny cause the cards have a section for how characters refer to themselves in 1st person but because that's not really a thing in Korean it's just a random panel of them talking while referring to themselves using the same 1st person word. 
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Oct 6, 2019 14:32
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, I think CP0 is just 9 with the numbers switched and some extra recruits. CP0 is iirc said to be the high command of Cipher Pol, and it seems that a lot of CP9 were reinstated, presumably after the whole Impel Down debacle turned out to be nothing compared to the Paramount War clusterfuck and the Straw Hats weren't just another rookie pirate crew after all. Spandam presumably was a classic case of getting kicked upstairs.
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Oct 6, 2019 17:02
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Desperate Character posted:So this was a pretty insane find someone on twitter found. Oda may have revealed some of the Rocks pirates over 500 chapters ago! Moria's zombification process must make them into some real loving chumps then bc them and Ryuma got trounced by pre-timeskip Strawhats
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Oct 6, 2019 19:40
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Doesn't the strength of the shadow being put into them factor into it?
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Oct 6, 2019 19:58
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The zombies were all some vague combination of the corpse and the shadow, with most of the strength coming from the shadow. It was enough for Ryuma to be better at using Brook's techniques than he was, but he couldn't, say, remember how to use haki.
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Oct 6, 2019 20:04
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There is also the factor of a skeleton being a weaker body than one that still has muscles and stuff. It didn't help that Brook's technique based skills got put into a body with roughly Zoro level muscle, something his own body never had.
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Oct 6, 2019 20:47
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Julias posted:Yeah, it feels really weird how Oden has been kept in shadow, even up to this point in the arc. I wonder if oda is just building it up for dramatic tension to reveal him for a later flashback, or if he's going to return to the story in some way and his design might spoil something. when i reread punk hazard the other day i noticed momonosuke was also kept in shadow for his first real appearance, the flashback when he's refusing to eat with the other imprisoned kids didn't really amount to anything there
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Oct 6, 2019 21:52
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CodfishCartographer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxzD1TQjcLQ Yeah I could see that, although i hope that his "true skills" would still be lovely. Just slightly less lovely.
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Oct 7, 2019 00:06
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i think this was brought up earlier but kiku uses female pronouns but male pronouns are used elsewhere or something? i only vaguely remember it coming up itt which is why i'm probably wrong
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Oct 7, 2019 00:09
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rannum posted:Yeah I could see that, although i hope that his "true skills" would still be lovely. Just slightly less lovely. His true skills are shittier somehow.
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Oct 7, 2019 00:13
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Jose posted:i think this was brought up earlier but kiku uses female pronouns but male pronouns are used elsewhere or something? i only vaguely remember it coming up itt which is why i'm probably wrong Basically, the issue is that there isn't a female version of the word one uses to describe oneself when one is saying they're a samurai. Just a male version. Because while women could belong to the samurai class (and marry samurai men), they were forbidden from taking up arms and going to war, only staying at home (and sometimes taking up arms to defend said home). So it's pretty much impossible to say 'I am a samurai' without technically saying 'I am a samurai man'. So while Kiku is 100% a trans woman, who literally used THE phrase used in Japan when saying that you're a trans woman (the "my heart is of a woman"(sp) thing, which doesn't fully translate in english), in addition to regular female pronouns whenever appropriate, there are a number of pedants and transphobes (subconscious or otherwise) that use the first to deny the second.
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Oct 7, 2019 00:49
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Basically, the issue is that there isn't a female version of the word one uses to describe oneself when one is saying they're a samurai. Just a male version. Because while women could belong to the samurai class (and marry samurai men), they were forbidden from taking up arms and going to war, only staying at home (and sometimes taking up arms to defend said home). So it's pretty much impossible to say 'I am a samurai' without technically saying 'I am a samurai man'. ok thank you for explaining because it seems insane to treat kiku like she isn't a woman
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Oct 7, 2019 00:56
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Jose posted:ok thank you for explaining because it seems insane to treat kiku like she isn't a woman Yeah, but it's never stopped transphobes before, so just more of the usual, sadly.
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Oct 7, 2019 00:59
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as a brit i'm from the land of terfs so its not unusual
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Oct 7, 2019 01:03
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anyway did anyone else expect act 3 to be a single chapter? lol
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Basically, the issue is that there isn't a female version of the word one uses to describe oneself when one is saying they're a samurai. Just a male version. Because while women could belong to the samurai class (and marry samurai men), they were forbidden from taking up arms and going to war, only staying at home (and sometimes taking up arms to defend said home). So it's pretty much impossible to say 'I am a samurai' without technically saying 'I am a samurai man'.
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Oct 7, 2019 10:40
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I go to bed every night saying a prayer that Oda doesn't gently caress up when Sanji meets Kiku
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Oct 7, 2019 15:43
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I just got done with the Skypiea arc, and while I'm liking One Piece and will probably continue, there are some aspects that have started to annoy me and I was curious if they get resolved or if I just have to deal with it. Firstly, I really don't like the way Oda deals with injury. I feel like he uses moments of characters working past their injuries to defeat the enemy so often that fights start losing their tension. Similarly, I feel like a lot of the fights, particularly the big fights for Luffy and Zoro, feel really samey. While there may be interesting moments in the fight, like using water against Crocodile or hitting the wall to fight Eneru, it seems like the conclusions just sort of happen, if that makes sense. It's made it so that most fights with the Monster Trio just feel like forgone conclusions and I don't find myself wondering how the Straw Hats will pull themselves out of this one. To supplement my gripes, I'll say that I think Oda may be the master of giving everyone something to do, which I honestly love. Everyone seems to be doing something once the arcs get going, and they all contribute in interesting ways.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I just got done with the Skypiea arc, and while I'm liking One Piece and will probably continue, there are some aspects that have started to annoy me and I was curious if they get resolved or if I just have to deal with it. Firstly, I really don't like the way Oda deals with injury. I feel like he uses moments of characters working past their injuries to defeat the enemy so often that fights start losing their tension. Similarly, I feel like a lot of the fights, particularly the big fights for Luffy and Zoro, feel really samey. While there may be interesting moments in the fight, like using water against Crocodile or hitting the wall to fight Eneru, it seems like the conclusions just sort of happen, if that makes sense. It's made it so that most fights with the Monster Trio just feel like forgone conclusions and I don't find myself wondering how the Straw Hats will pull themselves out of this one. The series does improve withthe “conclusions just sort of happen” aspect for the major core fights of Big Bad vs Luffy, but honestly it’s one of the biggest problems of the series and remains present for a long time, particularly with Zoro. A lot of fights just keep going on until it’s time for the good guy to win, then they immediately do and that’s that. The flow of the main core fights tend to go along with the flow of drama rather than building strategic tension - they go until plot-wise they NEED to end or else Bad Things will happen, then they go on a bit longer to build up tension, then eventually the gang pulls through. A lot of the fights tend to air on the DBZ side of shonen with “how will luffy have the strength to beat the big bad guy?” instead of the JoJo side of things that are more “how will luffy use his brain to beat the big bad guy?” Because of this, a lot of the fights go on until story-wise they just need to end, so they do. Like I said though, the series does get better about this as it goes on. It gets far better at communicating the ebb and flow of a battle, where one character is on the backfoot and seems to be all but defeated, only for them to push through and overwhelm their opponent. the next arc you’re going into is generally considered to be Very Good, if not one of the best. I will say, though, that I personally find the upcoming final fight pretty meh, but the arc overall is fantastic.
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Skypiea was famously the series low point for a very long time (and the series never does anything quite as shonen dumb as trapping luffy in a snake for a while). The next 300 chapters are where One Piece went from great to goat. just stick with it and enjoy.
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Oct 7, 2019 20:09
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Fights do improve as Oda gers better at coreographing them, and injuries do become more consequential, but some of the issues remain. It is a consistent weakness of the series in some ways. But OP deals with it in a remarkable way: everything else becomes vastly improved as Oda’s storytelling consistently improves. Fights become shorter to make room for more story and characters. Today’s OP fights are mostly short, impactful, impressively coreographed, and focus more strongly on pushing story and characters forward. So your issue will disappear mostly but by focusing more on the series strengths over improving on its weaknesses. Also, the series eventually reach a point where raw strength, devil fruit weaknesses and ‘just try harder’ just doesn’t cut it anymore for winning, and luffy n co are forced to team up and get creative. At this point wins no longer just happen, and there is a hell of a turning point coming soon, although I wont spoil more than that... Bisse fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 20:26
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The treatment of injuries and the ebb and flow of battle never entirely stops being a weak point for One Piece. Luffy vs. Katakuri is particularly bad about it, and while Zoro does at least win his Dressrosa fight in a clever way, there's still the same sense of "why couldn't he just do that sooner?" Luffy does get several interesting fights (at least if you can look past how many hits he's able to take towards the end of an arc), most of Usopp's fights involve interesting tactics, and Sanji's fights tend to at least be amusing, but Zoro's fights almost always feel pretty arbitrary, and some other characters with interesting powersets rarely get fights at all.
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Reiterating what everyone has already said about how you're coming up on a golden era for the series. And also that while the "burning shonen spirit" method of winning does continue to be an issue for the series, this is one of the few mangas I've read that really sells when the heroes are just completely out of their depth even on that front.
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Okay, good to know. I'm glad there's some improvement and that it's a known problem that isn't just me "not getting it."
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Oct 7, 2019 20:38
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Cat Machine posted:This is a very helpful post and I've been looking for someone to explain the "this one" phrasing for like, a year. Thanks for sharing the info. BTW the word Okiku uses is the same one Kenshin uses.
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Oct 7, 2019 20:45
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Oda needs to make a character based off of Elton John already, that dude is primo material for someone truly outlandish
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Oct 7, 2019 20:50
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Parrotine posted:Oda needs to make a character based off of Elton John already, that dude is primo material for someone truly outlandish I’m pretty sure Doflamingo fits that bill.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I just got done with the Skypiea arc, and while I'm liking One Piece and will probably continue, there are some aspects that have started to annoy me and I was curious if they get resolved or if I just have to deal with it. Firstly, I really don't like the way Oda deals with injury. I feel like he uses moments of characters working past their injuries to defeat the enemy so often that fights start losing their tension. Similarly, I feel like a lot of the fights, particularly the big fights for Luffy and Zoro, feel really samey. While there may be interesting moments in the fight, like using water against Crocodile or hitting the wall to fight Eneru, it seems like the conclusions just sort of happen, if that makes sense. It's made it so that most fights with the Monster Trio just feel like forgone conclusions and I don't find myself wondering how the Straw Hats will pull themselves out of this one. So while I do understand your opinion, I must say it's always confused me why there's been a growing vocal group that dislikes Skypiea. Skypiea to me best encapsulates the entire series, and was therefore the best arc for me for nearly a decade until the new arc came along and started really delivering. With the common fan favorites being close behind. Not news, but OP is first and foremost about adventure. The title of the first chapter isn't just Romance Dawn, it's "Romance Dawn: Dawn of Adventure". Skypiea is basically prime adventuring for the series. The location can basically never be beaten (except by Raftel), you're not beating an island in the sky with a giant beanstalk, an ancient city of gold, etc. Except for probably Raftel. That's already a giant plus and a huge boost for the arc. But add to that the enemy *might as well* have been a god. An unlucky god, but still. That's a biiig jump in antagonistic power in the series rather quickly, and the stark jump against our crew who is still rather puny in comparison to any powerful players at that point was packed with tension for me. While they won their individual fights in Skypiea, a lot of them ended up getting hosed up by Enel anyway to the point of near-death. So it was just really cool to see this ragtag crew go against a god who can rain lightning. I know the god thing has been done to hell and back in a lot of series, but very rarely is anyone as ostensibly weak as a rubber dude taking on the god. Add to that the fun survival game, the very strong flashback, many strong main crew character moments, the crew all having interesting fights there, incredible foreshadowing (only matters retroactively), the crew just having fun screwing around and surviving off of the land, and I dunno man it's just hard for me to see why, when reading One Piece for adapting to fantastical locations, that this arc can be considered bad. Demonicpoodle fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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