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Prester Jane posted:worked well enough for Ted Nugent And Trump, the last 5894397 times he's done it
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ImpAtom posted:Somebody once told me Turkey's gonna roll me, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. Nice.
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jesus h. loving christmastime i've never hated somebody so much in my life.
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Velocity Raptor posted:How long will the cleanup be once Trump is gone? And how much of this can be repaired? You're looking at the death of the post-war consensus. We'll never be able to fully go back. We can work on building something new but there's definitely no going back from this.
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Rex-Goliath posted:You're looking at the death of the post-war consensus. We'll never be able to fully go back. We can work on building something new but there's definitely no going back from this. Remember when it was impossible for Trump to screw up foreign affairs as badly as George W bush had?
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Oct 7, 2019 21:08
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Prester Jane posted:Remember when it was impossible for Trump to screw up foreign affairs as badly as George W bush had? its still gonna be hard to reach those W/Nixon/LBJ numbers but trump will try.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:09
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Rabble posted:Yes, I don't see any other reading other than genocide. It's likely going to be like what happened in Afrin--expulsions, ban Kurdish schools etc, not Auschwitz. We're not about to see another holocaust but it will be the destruction of their culture and mass, forced hardship.
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Prester Jane posted:Remember when it was impossible for Trump to screw up foreign affairs as badly as George W bush had? hold my sudafed
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Other countries won't trust us until we can guarantee we won't elect another person like Donald Trump by fixing our system. So never.
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OctaMurk posted:Erdogan spokesman says that the Turkish mission is to correct the demographics in northern Syria Jesus Christ, 0 to genocide in...what, 24 hours?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its still gonna be hard to reach those W/Nixon/LBJ numbers but trump will try. If he actually manages to cause the dissolution of NATO he easily wins
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OctaMurk posted:It's likely going to be like what happened in Afrin--expulsions, ban Kurdish schools etc, not Auschwitz. We're not about to see another holocaust but it will be the destruction of their culture and mass, forced hardship. thats the "best" case scenerio. also you don't need auschwitz if the turkish army just acts like the einsatzgruppen.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats the "best" case scenerio. also you don't need auschwitz if the turkish army just acts like the einsatzgruppen. That's what they have the FSA for. TSK will get to keep its hands relatively clean while the FSA will run rampant.
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Prester Jane posted:Remember when it was impossible for Trump to screw up foreign affairs as badly as George W bush had? I'm not gonna lie going into year three of this presidency I was starting to feel like he really was going to leave most things on pause for better or for worse. Looks like that's over
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1181279940001636353 This sounds like utter chaos in Northern Syria. US troops pulling out on some orders and others holding position, the US attempting to block the Turks from entering airspace, the Turks seeing a greenlight to begin bombardment and trying to do as much as possible before the US effectively does something to stop them Trump may have just provoked a major international incident in the Middle East for absolutely no reason or gain, and burned some of our best regional allies, as well as pissed off the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are now scrambling to figure out what the loving is going on Complete FUBAR TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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It's me. I'm the guy who types out legal letters in comic sans. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1181299742980132870?s=20
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OctaMurk posted:It's likely going to be like what happened in Afrin--expulsions, ban Kurdish schools etc, not Auschwitz. We're not about to see another holocaust but it will be the destruction of their culture and mass, forced hardship. Yeah, I mean there are levels of genocide, as weird as that may sound, right? Destroying of culture, taking away their children, making them live in squalor can all be elements of it.
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OctaMurk posted:It's likely going to be like what happened in Afrin--expulsions, ban Kurdish schools etc, not Auschwitz. We're not about to see another holocaust but it will be the destruction of their culture and mass, forced hardship. To be clear, and you may also mean this, what you described is also genocide.
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TulliusCicero posted:This sounds like utter chaos in Northern Syria. US troops pulling out on some orders and others holding position, the US attempting to block the Turks from entering airspace, the Turks seeing a greenlight to begin bombardment and trying to as much as possible before the US effectively does something to stop them This is going to end in a war with Turkey.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what the hell does that mean? Turkey's bombing the Kurds' avenues of retreat before the ground forces roll in
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Flip Yr Wig posted:To be clear, and you may also mean this, what you described is also genocide. Yes, but I think a lot of people in the thread were under the impression that we were about to witness the Rwanda type of genocide.
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luxury handset posted:you don't have to express your befuddlement in terms of "trump 5d chess master" Everytime I see or hear someone mention the whole Chess analogy, I picture 2 tiny hands sitting behind the all white chess pieces, 1 King and all pawns. Theres no way I can see Trump playing chess is any other way.
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TulliusCicero posted:This sounds like utter chaos in Northern Syria. US troops pulling out on some orders and others holding position, the US attempting to block the Turks from entering airspace, the Turks seeing a greenlight to begin bombardment and trying to as much as possible before the US effectively does something to stop them No joke - if we're unable to reverse course and this goes through, I legitimately think this is one of the things that could make Republicans senators vote to convict
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How likely is it that remaining ISIS takes advantage of this? Very, since a war torn power vacuum is how they took power in the first place Also as was noted, Turkey was low key backing ISIS in the first place Feldegast42 fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Undocumented Gamer posted:Everytime I see or hear someone mention the whole Chess analogy, I picture 2 tiny hands sitting behind the all white chess pieces, 1 King and all pawns. Theres no way I can see Trump playing chess is any other way. You think he had the wherewithal to actually put any of them in the right spots, or are they just kinda lying strewn about?
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At the rate this seems to be spiraling out of control I hope the DoD is already pulling out of those airbases in Turkey. Going to have another Iranian hostage crisis if they don’t.
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TulliusCicero posted:This sounds like utter chaos in Northern Syria. US troops pulling out on some orders and others holding position, the US attempting to block the Turks from entering airspace, the Turks seeing a greenlight to begin bombardment and trying to as much as possible before the US effectively does something to stop them Christ, everything is teetering on a knifes edge for literally no reason.
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Well no matter what this was probably the most stupid thing Trump could do given his already existing domestic troubles. And AGAIN it’s something he did in part because he figured he’d be universally celebrated for it in this case for Bringing the Troops Home. This is his uncontrollable ego on display in the form of an international disaster.
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So Trump created an international crisis to distract from his interior one. No other way to possibly parse this. Hopefully he hosed himself on both fronts though because no one is defending this poo poo.
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Rabble posted:This is going to end in a war with Turkey. At the very least this ends with some US troops or civilians caught in the crossfire helping the Kurds, and possibly retaliatory airstrikes from us You can't tell me the Turks don't accidentally hit some US forces that were working with the Kurds on purpose or even on accident This loving idiot has caused a war absolutely no one besides the genocidal loon in Turkey and the puppetmaster in Russia wanted This is the nightmare scenario for the Middle East TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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I've never seen a world leader just come out and say "yea we're gonna do some genocide" but here we are
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Bottom Liner posted:So Trump created an international crisis to distract from his interior one. No other way to possibly parse this. Hopefully he hosed himself on both fronts though because no one is defending this poo poo. My guess is that this isn't wagging the dog; that's too much foresight. Trump is just so confused, angry and exhausted that he decided to do something big and provocative in order to feel in control of the situation.
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Numlock posted:At the rate this seems to be spiraling out of control I hope the DoD is already pulling out of those airbases in Turkey. Going to have another Iranian hostage crisis if they don’t. Turkey is not going to attack American bases unless they have a real deathwish
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Bottom Liner posted:So Trump created an international crisis to distract from his interior one. No other way to possibly parse this. Hopefully he hosed himself on both fronts though because no one is defending this poo poo. I mean, I dont think he expected it to cause a crisis, he probably thought everyone would be happy that he pulled out the US soldiers. He doesn't care enough to read the reports or listen to advice about why it end up badly, I mean he is the great and wise Trump, so if his advisors say something he disagrees with, then they're just dumb and confused. He doesn't seem to have the capability to accept that the world is more complicated than the tiny portion of it he cares enough to comprehend
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It appears that literally no one on any side knows what the gently caress is going on on the ground. US troops are in some areas still denying Turkish use of airspace, other places are being reported as bombed but actually aren’t, the Department of Defense has absolutely no plan for what to do and are scrambling to get a clear picture on what’s happening and Turkey is moving forward as fast as possible without any rhyme or reason to try and get ahead of any backtracking by Trump. Trump just created an international disaster entirely of his own making without so much as consulting anyone besides maybe Jared Kushner. Is this about right?
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The Glumslinger posted:I mean, I dont think he expected it to cause a crisis, he probably thought everyone would be happy that he pulled out the US soldiers. He doesn't care enough to read the reports or listen to advice about why it end up badly, I mean he is the great and wise Trump, so if his advisors say something he disagrees with, then they're just dumb and confused. He doesn't seem to have the capability to accept that the world is more complicated than the tiny portion of it he cares enough to comprehend Idk, this is a repeat of 2018, except without the last minute reversal (which happened because of the universal backlash). He must’ve known this would be a big deal.
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OctaMurk posted:Yes, but I think a lot of people in the thread were under the impression that we were about to witness the Rwanda type of genocide. A fascist army that lusts for Kurdish blood is amassing at a border ahead of their governments Air Force destroying supply lines and escape routes of their enemy. A bunch of Kurdish fighters are going to die and a bunch more Kurds are going to be identified as fighters and be murdered immediately, and a bunch more are going to be starved and interred. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1181304463799148544?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendannyhan/status/1181300233940209665?s=21
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This has really been a rollercoaster. For most of the day it's been the usual bemusement at this idiot at the controls, and then excitement at the fact that he's getting flak from literally everybody this time around. The Great Mattering, as it were. But now I'm just pissed. This isn't funny anymore. Get this guy the hell out of office before it's too late. Or at least... before it gets even worse. Edit: I know that's a very privileged way to feel. I realize it hasn't been "funny" for a lot of people a lot of the time. I'm talking more about the foreign policy side of things, which has largely been a friggin' dump truck full of red flags, but not quite such tangible, catastrophic consequences. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It appears that literally no one on any side knows what the gently caress is going on on the ground. US troops are in some areas still denying Turkish use of airspace, other places are being reported as bombed but actually aren’t, the Department of Defense has absolutely no plan for what to do and are scrambling to get a clear picture on what’s happening and Turkey is moving forward as fast as possible without any rhyme or reason to try and get ahead of any backtracking by Trump. who realized that when trump said 'if i go to war they won't know about it in advance' he actually meant his own generals
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It appears that literally no one on any side knows what the gently caress is going on on the ground. US troops are in some areas still denying Turkish use of airspace, other places are being reported as bombed but actually aren’t, the Department of Defense has absolutely no plan for what to do and are scrambling to get a clear picture on what’s happening and Turkey is moving forward as fast as possible without any rhyme or reason to try and get ahead of any backtracking by Trump. Well, Turkey probably promised to investigate the Bidens.
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