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Nitrox posted:Luckily, they have those newly minted Russian passports. According to Ukrainian law, they are still Ukrainian citizens, and Ukrainian citizens only. If they haven't left the region yet, they are very unlikely to leave at all. Or are you implying they should be stripped of Ukrainian citizenship and deported to Russia? WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Whats killer about this is that russia is going to do the same as every other fascist nation does and just buy the regions submission by paying pensions and flooding illicit money into the oblast. I don't think this is what fascist nations primarily do with occupied regions.
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Paladinus posted:According to Ukrainian law, they are still Ukrainian citizens, and Ukrainian citizens only. If they haven't left the region yet, they are very unlikely to leave at all. Or are you implying they should be stripped of Ukrainian citizenship and deported to Russia? Nazi germany bought czech submission before heydrich was assassinated. Also you do realize some ukrainians in donbass had to give up their Ukraine passports just to receive pensions. They received russian passports in their place. This isn;t the nazi occupaton of Poland. It's comparable to the nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia, Russia will need loyal domestic allies to achieve regional dominance. Ukraining factories in Mariupol are very effective. Russia wants those men to be Russian. Not dead. Economically Ukraine could be a boon for russia. Especially if black sea traffic increases. I mean they are building a bridge to Севастополь, a highway through donbass to Crimea and Mariupol would be another investment I could forsee occuring in an annexation situation as Crimea is the key to the black sea. Mariupol is the manufacturing capital of Ukraine, The two's destinies are joined together. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Also you do realize some ukrainians in donbass had to give up their Ukraine passports just to receive pensions. They received russian passports in their place. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This isn;t the nazi occupaton of Poland. It's comparable to the nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia, Russia will need loyal domestic allies to achieve regional dominance. Ukraining factories in Mariupol are very effective. Russia wants those men to be Russian. Not dead.
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Eschenique posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF_BC5KXp_U Everything Lavrov ever says is meaningless bullshit
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fatherboxx posted:Everything Lavrov ever says is meaningless bullshit It's not meaningless, it's just whataboutism.txt. The reason why he brings up Western imperialist behaviour is solely to justify the same behaviour by Russia.
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It's Putin's birthday, and I just wanted to share this cursed image with someone. [In Ukrainian] 'Happy Birthday, Volodymir Volodymirovich! Glory to the hero!'
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The shirt he is wearing is traditional Ukrainian patterns, every region has something specific. I wonder what region that pattern is referring to...
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Paladinus posted:According to Ukrainian law, they are still Ukrainian citizens, and Ukrainian citizens only. If they haven't left the region yet, they are very unlikely to leave at all. Or are you implying they should be stripped of Ukrainian citizenship and deported to Russia?
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Nitrox posted:The shirt he is wearing is traditional Ukrainian patterns, every region has something specific. I wonder what region that pattern is referring to... Found a handy map. 
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I did some reading a while ago about the Crimea. How it was basically a Russian area that belonged to Ukraine. But that this was never an issue since Ukraine had been a part of Russia for a very long time. Lenin symbolically returned it to Ukraine but it was all part of the Soviet union anyway so it made no practical difference. It was only with the breakup of the Soviet Union that we got a hard separation of Crimea from Russia which lead to a lot of today's problems.
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Eschenique posted:I did some reading a while ago about the Crimea. How it was basically a Russian area that belonged to Ukraine. But that this was never an issue since Ukraine had been a part of Russia for a very long time. Lenin symbolically returned it to Ukraine but it was all part of the Soviet union anyway so it made no practical difference. Where did you read all of this?
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Eschenique posted:I did some reading a while ago about the Crimea. How it was basically a Russian area that belonged to Ukraine. But that this was never an issue since Ukraine had been a part of Russia for a very long time. Lenin symbolically returned it to Ukraine but it was all part of the Soviet union anyway so it made no practical difference.
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true.spoon posted:Did you come to the point where Russia agreed to respect the current (that is inlcuding Crimea) borders of Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation in your reading? Ahahaha nah RT didnt include that in their writeup
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madeintaipei posted:Where did you read all of this? Might have been "Putin Country" 
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Polish parliamentary elections coming up on the 13th. As usual, nothing to choose from. An online questionnaire matched me with a crusty old SLD gently caress and I’m not gonna vote for these fucks. Razem has been basically MIA for the past ~year, Wiosna is... I don’t even know wtf it’s supposed to be, and I think I’ll break my own vow to never vote for the lesser evil and go Kidawa-Blonska, though I really really really don’t want to have anything to do with the center right.
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Mokotow posted:Polish parliamentary elections coming up on the 13th. As usual, nothing to choose from. An online questionnaire matched me with a crusty old SLD gently caress and I’m not gonna vote for these fucks. Razem has been basically MIA for the past ~year, Wiosna is... I don’t even know wtf it’s supposed to be, and I think I’ll break my own vow to never vote for the lesser evil and go Kidawa-Blonska, though I really really really don’t want to have anything to do with the center right. yes for PIS No for PIS
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Mokotow posted:Polish parliamentary elections coming up on the 13th. As usual, nothing to choose from. An online questionnaire matched me with a crusty old SLD gently caress and I’m not gonna vote for these fucks. Razem has been basically MIA for the past ~year, Wiosna is... I don’t even know wtf it’s supposed to be, and I think I’ll break my own vow to never vote for the lesser evil and go Kidawa-Blonska, though I really really really don’t want to have anything to do with the center right. SLD is now SLD + Wiosna + Razem. Maybe I'm naive but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and accept that Czarzasty's SLD is different to Miller's SLD. I am not voting for KO in a million years.
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szary posted:SLD is now SLD + Wiosna + Razem. Maybe I'm naive but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and accept that Czarzasty's SLD is different to Miller's SLD. I am not voting for KO in a million years. Yeah, same. We sat down at home tonight and went through the matching candidates - there are some ok folks on the lefty super list, though you have to dig to find any info about them and I doubt they’ll actually get in. Beats KO, though.
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Cat Mattress posted:Crimea is rightfully Italian clay because it was a Genoese colony long before Russia even existed as a nation. The principality Moscva must never control sevastopol.
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From an earlier (curious as to when, actually) interview with Kolomoyskiy: https://mobile.twitter.com/magutw/status/1182335215114608642 Edit: half a year ago, apparently. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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OddObserver posted:From an earlier (curious as to when, actually) interview with Kolomoyskiy:
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OddObserver posted:From an earlier (curious as to when, actually) interview with Kolomoyskiy: Lmao two Ostap Benders
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Can't find anything in Russian about this. Could be an old photo from the Independence day. A couple of Russian military units participated in the parade this year, and stayed for longer, because several Belarusian units were pulled for some military exercises (Shield of the Union?) in Russia, and those Russian units took their place. At least that's what news sites say.
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Exit Poles (haha) are in and while PiS, as expected, won, they haven’t actually gained any seats and it’s still possible they’ll actually be worse off. Also, rumor mill has it they lost the Senate, so the next 4 years could be much tougher for them. Good news - the left is back in with over 11% and the turnout was the highest since the 89 vote. PSL will probably be the kingmaker now. Bad news - we also have Konfederacja in the parliament - first time an openly pro-Russian party makes it in, not counting SLD, natch. Personal note - it was a lovely day and watching the crowds in downtown Warsaw going to vote, then for a stroll in the parks was great, seeing how on any other day everyone’s a miserable poo poo and the weather sucks.
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Mokotow posted:Good news - the left is back in with over 11% and the turnout was the highest since the 89 vote. PSL will probably be the kingmaker now. Bad news - we also have Konfederacja in the parliament - first time an openly pro-Russian party makes it in, not counting SLD, natch. Last time Korwin had 6,1% in exit polls before getting humiliatingly brought down to 4,9%, so let's hope this lightning can strike twice.
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Lichtenstein posted:Last time Korwin had 6,1% in exit polls before getting humiliatingly brought down to 4,9%, so let's hope this lightning can strike twice. Wouldn't PiSs benefit the most of all parties from Korwin falling below the threshold? Maybe it's better that they make it in and be a complete non-factor?
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Aumanor posted:Wouldn't PiSs benefit the most of all parties from Korwin falling below the threshold? Maybe it's better that they make it in and be a complete non-factor? I honestly don't care that much about it. PiS still has the majority and I am fairly sure the dead man walking alliance of PSL and however the Kukiz clowns call themselves nowadays (a whopping 9.6%) will get devoured and assimilated by PiS to patch their numbers up. Just as it happened to the Kukiz-orbiting motley the first time around. So it'll be nice to at least have the libtards and nazis get owned.
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For the first time since she emigrated I've managed to feed my wife enough weird Polish news that she actually jumped through all the hoops to vote from abroad. Every little helps I guess.
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Mokotow posted:Korwin Korwin and all his wacky antics I'm anticipating are my silver lining to this year's election results. Well, that and the actual Left getting in, but that's beside the point.
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