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To hit the companies where it hurts what you really need is a mass bypass of gas meters. If it gets to the point where everyone knows someone who has done a bypass, and where the cost is handed down to people who are still complying with the meters, that'll set off a tidal wave.
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Azza Bamboo posted:To hit the companies where it hurts what you really need is a mass bypass of gas meters. So... a gas trick bypass?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So... a gas trick bypass? nice. ALso probably most people shouldnt gently caress with their gas meters.
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Azza Bamboo posted:To hit the companies where it hurts what you really need is a mass bypass of gas meters. If it gets to the point where everyone knows someone who has done a bypass, and where the cost is handed down to people who are still complying with the meters, that'll set off a tidal wave. At least if you bypass your electric meter you'll probably only risk killing yourself, not blowing up an entire row of houses.
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because renters are worthless and deserve to die in a fireball whilst their landlords receive the insurance money on their properties? I'm not sure this is a cogent plan.
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Vitamin P posted:Not even a whisper of intellectual or moral curiosity or truth-seeking or even making your point online, astounding. I'm saying the kind of people who repeatedly bring up the religion of the abusers in Rotherham get together with their mates and go for a little walk they tend to get protected by the police, not arrested by them.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:You'll be safe, the Old Bill never arrest your type. That's not fair, Are Tommy got knicked by the Old Bill. kecske posted:There was a twitter link in this or the cspam thread about an XR protest in Germany where the police had to stop policing for a bit for some reason, so the protesters stopped protesting until the police came back lol. Like they literally sat down and waited Yeah. The polis needed to get a mandated piss break or something and the absolute fuckwits just stopped protesting until the police could come back and arrest them. NotJustANumber99 posted:why can't xtinction rebellion just be like ok? Dunno mate, ask them. NotJustANumber99 posted:SO before they didnt do anything, now theyre doing a bit. Maybe later they'll do more? UNless they're like a secret counter protest group setup to drag people down to be less protesty? It seems kind of fine? And people on the internet moaning about it are basically the epitome of critics being hypo. Criticism of their tactics isn't just telling them to stop and give up though. But they are going about it in a manner that is exceedingly naive and directly goes against the advice they've been given by experienced protests groups because they desperately want to appeal to middle class liberals. I'm sorry, but the sort of cop respecter who cares that you politely answer the policeman when he asks for your name isn't going to be enamoured by the people inconveniencing their day by blocking bridges & what not. Meanwhile people were being pre-arrested by the polis days before the protests had even loving happened. If you want a more long-winded critique I'd say read this: http://libcom.org/blog/extinction-rebellion-not-struggle-we-need-pt-1-19072019 though it says it's part 1 of 3 & the lazy bums haven't written part 2 in the past 3 months yet. There's also an inherent absurdity about claiming your protesting mass extinction and then fannying about with decorum and abiding the law and being all polite to the police. Almost takes away from the urgency.
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forkboy84 posted:
Hence my question about how effective climate change protest has been so far? Like maybe that advice isn't so great. Also. They aren't stopping people that want to protest differently from protesting differently. It seems more like people just being pissed off that the wrong protesters are in the news? WHich I don't even know is good or bad. I am not a protester.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Hence my question about how effective climate change protest has been so far? Like maybe that advice isn't so great. Also. They aren't stopping people that want to protest differently from protesting differently. It seems more like people just being pissed off that the wrong protesters are in the news? It's gently caress all to do with jealousy about the wrong groups getting coverage, good grief this is dumb.
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forkboy84 posted:Ah yes, maybe the advice from groups like the Green and Black Cross isn't good, despite them being a legal aid service for protectors and the XR organisers not actually having much in the way of legal experience. An aggressive response. Maybe this kind of protest is fomenting otherwise apathetic attention? LIke I said I was judging climate action on its results. Not that I dunno some dudes were well respected legal law people. Very strange that people criticise XR for being too compliant and then worry they haven't got the best legal advice?
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Half of our politicians are sat half down on a buttered up fracking shaft, our forests are still shrinking and trying to be flogged to Serco or some poo poo, we're on the verge of leaving the union which has legally bound us to the Paris/Kyoto agreements, our soils are so badly managed they're eroding and bleeding CO2, we don't build on-shore wind farms anymore because of nimbys, we're shifting form giant footprint product to giant footprint product in our lovely perceived-obsolesce obsessed economy, our peat bogs are still shrinking and people thought that getting rid of plastic straws would solve it all.
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Ratjaculation posted:Half of our politicians are sat half down on a buttered up fracking shaft, our forests are still shrinking and trying to be flogged to Serco or some poo poo, we're on the verge of leaving the union which has legally bound us to the Paris/Kyoto agreements, our soils are so badly managed they're eroding and bleeding CO2, we don't build on-shore wind farms anymore because of nimbys, we're shifting form giant footprint product to giant footprint product in our lovely perceived-obsolesce obsessed economy, our peat bogs are still shrinking and people thought that getting rid of plastic straws would solve it all. And that's before we get into our freshwater situation. Spoilers: it ain't so fresh.
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I don't think anything can be done unless it turns out there is a God and they hand us down an incontrovertable progress bar that ends at runaway climate change.
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sebzilla posted:If they all spent their time and money and effort campaigning for Labour we might be carbon neutral as a country by 2030. Although we pledged to be carbon neutral by 2030, It's not really possible. The three main things the UK needs to do to cut emissions (this covers 75%) 1. Replace every fossil fuel using power plant with renewables or nuclear - the majority of our power still comes from oil power plants 2. Replace every car on the road with electric cars. Not just new ones, literally all cars. 3. Replace every gas boiler and heating system in the country with electronic equivalents, or hydrogen burning ones. That gets the majority of our emissions, but not all. There's still stuff like emissions from flying or industry to deal with. Also, developing and deploying some kind of carbon capture tech - none beyond plantings lots of trees exists at scale ATM. The task is mammoth and even putting lots of effort into it I can't see us being carbon neutral any earlier than 2040.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Although we pledged to be carbon neutral by 2030, It's not really possible. The three main things the UK needs to do to cut emissions (this covers 75%) I've ordered a tesla! Step 2! ALthough I am also keeping my petrol and diesel cars.
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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1181336752520400896quote:In his remarks at the event, Johnson listed issues on which he claimed Thatcher was right, including her approach to “bring about … the end of apartheid”. According to an account of his comments briefed out by No 10 on Monday evening, he said: “I hope that when we go out from this place tonight and we are waylaid by importunate nose-ringed climate change protesters we remind them that [Thatcher] was also right about greenhouse gases. 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:An aggressive response. Maybe this kind of protest is fomenting otherwise apathetic attention? LIke I said I was judging climate action on its results. Not that I dunno some dudes were well respected legal law people. Very strange that people criticise XR for being too compliant and then worry they haven't got the best legal advice? The best legal advice is to not be too compliant. Maybe if you actually read the posts in this thread then you would be able to converse like less of a loving moron.
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Tarnop posted:The best legal advice is to not be too compliant. Maybe if you actually read the posts in this thread then you would be able to converse like less of a loving moron. Hmmm.
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I'm surprised Boris can still smell hemp after all the Charlie he's rammed up there.
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I think we know what he was saying when he said "hemp smelling". I'm pointing out his hypocrisy.
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Soz yeah. No criticism of your views. I don't really care about what boris says one way or the other. Hes almost done. I don't know what hemp smelling means? Poor?
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It's a stereotype that seeks to prejudge people with environmental and societal concerns as lazy carefree crackpots in alternate clothing with nothing better to do on a weekday than host a protestival. A common feature of this stereotype is the consumption of hemp products and products of plants similar to hemp that would almost certainly smell very similar. Similarly I seek to prejudge tories as murderous capitalist fuckwits in suits with the interests of the wealthy at heart. A common feature of this stereotype is the consumption of cocaine.
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Britain is leaving the European Union in three weeks. We should plan a special event for this thread on Halloween, I still suggest a group watch of Threads.
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's a stereotype that seeks to prejudge people with environmental and societal concerns as lazy carefree crackpots in alternate clothing with nothing better to do on a weekday than host a protestival. A common feature of this stereotype is the consumption of hemp products and products of plants similar to hemp that would almost certainly smell very similar. Sounds kind of like how people here are treating XR people no?
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Sorry if I missed this being discussed but is this bullshit? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/07/four-female-labour-mps-hit-with-deselection-threats
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sounds kind of like how people here are treating XR people no? Any more Gotcha's lined up?
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Azza Bamboo posted:Any more Gotcha's lined up? I haven't lined anything up. I Don't know why people respond like this? Just engage with the point or don't, whatever. I'm a loving oval office I'm going to I dunno bed.
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I was gearing up to dig at Boris, a pretty well accepted target here, and between me and you it somehow became "heh lol at the people ITT".NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm a loving oval office I'm going to I dunno bed. Are you okay dude? I feel like what I said hurt and that was uncalled for on my part. Sorry man.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I haven't lined anything up. I Don't know why people respond like this? Just engage with the point or don't, whatever. I'm a loving oval office I'm going to I dunno bed. Because you consistently post like a bellend.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm sure that's definitely why people might want a different MP than margaret hodge. Yes on that count but of course the article doesn't focus on her and frames the entire thing in the worst light possible. That said misogyny is the political process would be totally unsurprising to me so is there a bit of a concern or not?
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I mean maybe, I can't say I've heard of any of the other people, but that raises the other point which is that trigger ballots aren't particularly unusual, the sitting MP is automatically on the ballot so if they're popuar they'll be reselected. The idea that an MP has a right to their seat until they don't want it any more is fundamentally incompatible with how the labour party should operate.
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Munin posted:Yes on that count but of course the article doesn't focus on her and frames the entire thing in the worst light possible. The population of female MPs that have been up for reselection this time round is tiny, so it's hard to draw meaningful conclusions. However, if misogyny was the driving force here then you'd expect to also see a proportional number of leftist/pro-Corbyn women being triggered for reselection. It also overlooks the fact that a female labour MP triggered for reselection will have an all female nomination list in the selection ballot, by party rules. e: there were also more women than men who endorsed Owen Smith, so if that is a motivator for reselection then you'd expect to see that represented Tarnop fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sounds kind of like how people here are treating XR people no? All of your posts are poo poo Lurk more
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Article you might be interested in. You should get PMs :/. Fwding to RF in the meantime
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sounds kind of like how people here are treating XR people no? Take your liberal bullshit and gently caress off. XR's practices put their own protestors at risk, particularly if they're BAME, and while they piss about on getting noticed without having any solutions to offer its their own protestors that take the impact. The majority of XR's people are super good, it doesn't stop XR as an organisation from being super poo poo. Munin posted:Yes on that count but of course the article doesn't focus on her and frames the entire thing in the worst light possible. Liberals have been playing the gender card against socialism since Bernie vs Hillary in the 2016 Democrat Primaries. It's a load of crap designed to worry those who aren't particularly engaged with politics. They've been deselected because they continue to support societal systems that structurally oppress women (and other minorities). As has been said, their replacements will all be women as well.
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