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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/hsu_spencer/status/1181602530826035200 Very much not a lawyer, so let me just ask if my understanding is correct: The roadmap from Watergate was released to Congress in 1974? Is DOJ today saying that it was wrong, or has this already be established as something that was wrong at the time? In either case, are they arguing that the information in the roadmap from 1974, which lead to Nixon's impeachment, is the same standard with which the Mueller grand jury material should be evaluated against? That... does not seem to help their case, does it? Somebody post a kitten - this is a shameful snipe. refleks fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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refleks posted:Very much not a lawyer, so let me just ask if my understanding is correct: "It was wrong that the courts gave Congress evidence that could be used against the President" is their argument.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"It was wrong that the courts gave Congress evidence that could be used against the President" is their argument. That, and it's a bullshit extension tactic; if accepted as an argument, it would require re-litigating the Watergate trial to some extent, too!
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Rudoku posted:We say month/date/year and no European ever explained their backwards date writing. We ain't gotta explain poo poo. its in order by length
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Nonsense posted:I really wish he was involved in some way or form with this administration's corruption beyond cheer leading it, because he's genuine scum. he might be. i don;t think trump has stuff on him but it wouldnt surprise me if he is deep involved in some weird hosed up poo poo.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"It was wrong that the courts gave Congress evidence that could be used against the President" is their argument. So it's a legal argument that no matter how pertinent the content of the material to the question at hand, the information should not be handed over.
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Ershalim posted:That, and it's a bullshit extension tactic; if accepted as an argument, it would require re-litigating the Watergate trial to some extent, too! no... no it would not it's just a response to a hypo the judge asked they did a bad job, that is the takeaway
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:what It doesn't, but to enforce the rulings they would need justice department or us marshals which are also under doj!
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refleks posted:So it's a legal argument that no matter how pertinent the content of the material to the question at hand, the information should not be handed over. Yes, seeing as this administration literally argued just yesterday that the President is immune from criminal prosecution regarding his New York state taxes.
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eke out posted:no... no it would not Oh. Well that's good news, then. Here's an apology bunny tax. https://twitter.com/LilBreezyVert1/status/1181035142875435010
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The strategy of screaming "you can't do that!" at literally everything regardless of what it is just to slow down the process and muddy the waters is depressingly effective.
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:what Do the Article 3 Courts have an enforcement arm outside the Marshals? Because it sure looks like the Marshals report to Barr
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empty whippet box posted:The strategy of screaming "you can't do that!" at literally everything regardless of what it is just to slow down the process and muddy the waters is depressingly effective. seems the courts are just pissing on them when they try and the dems seem to be whipping out the hammer now.
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Stop signal boosting batshit loving tweets from bots or accounts indistinguishable from bots. We shouldn't have to see pepe/rageface drawings in this thread.
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Oct 8, 2019 17:50
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empty whippet box posted:The strategy of screaming "you can't do that!" at literally everything regardless of what it is just to slow down the process and muddy the waters is depressingly effective. Trump's legal strategy for his entire life has been to be such a pain in the rear end that the other side gives up.
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beejay posted:Stop signal boosting batshit loving tweets from bots or accounts indistinguishable from bots. We shouldn't have to see pepe/rageface drawings in this thread. Alternately, stop whining about politics in the USPol thread. This is poo poo happening now, it's worth discussing
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beejay posted:Stop signal boosting batshit loving tweets from bots or accounts indistinguishable from bots. We shouldn't have to see pepe/rageface drawings in this thread. I'm going to have to second this request. I'm not sure what good it does or how it advances the conversation. Ate My Balls Redux posted:Alternately, stop whining about politics in the USPol thread. What discussion can be had over a Pepe cartoon?
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If executive oversight is a power given to congress in the constitution then I don’t see how executive privilege is a thing at all. Congress should be able to request the cocktail napkin that Trump used to wipe his nose and the executive should have to comply. We’re already past the looking glass here because we’ve reached the point where congress is having to impeach a president just to do their basic constitutional duties...and even then the executive is resisting. This is a constitutional crisis happening in slow motion and the damage has already been done.
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empty whippet box posted:The strategy of screaming "you can't do that!" at literally everything regardless of what it is just to slow down the process and muddy the waters is depressingly effective. That's literally how people in privileged positions deal with any sort of equality action. You just raise holy hell at the slightest provocation and hope other people back down. I've had a manager who managed like that too. Just crush any idea that might cost more money and make them come at you multiple times. It's loving stupid.
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The one thing we can absolutely be certain of is that no Republican Senators are going to bat an eye at a refusal to comply with subpoenas. The other stuff matters, but the "process crimes" of not complying with Democrats demands are a feature, not a bug to them.
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"Strong Trump supporters" 90% of people who strongly support Trump...trust him????? What a huge surprise!?!?!?!?
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Not seeing how one can say gorsuch is swing vote when the fucker says this https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1181604598303399937
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Devor posted:Do the Article 3 Courts have an enforcement arm outside the Marshals? Because it sure looks like the Marshals report to Barr They are under the DOJ. But this got me curious as to which law enforcement officers do NOT report to the DOJ so I did some digging. They are: quote:Legislative Branch
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Rabble posted:If executive oversight is a power given to congress in the constitution then I don’t see how executive privilege is a thing at all. Congress should be able to request the cocktail napkin that Trump used to wipe his nose and the executive should have to comply. Part of it is that the country is old enough to have dealt with malicious compliance in the past. A congress that can oversee to that extent will absolutely hobble the executive to the point where nothing will get done at all. Not that that's much of a change from what republicans already do, but because it was a foreseeable problem, the congress chose instead, to cede a lot of its constitutional powers in favor of smoothing out the process of getting bills written, voted on, and signed into law. The other part is precedent; a lot of the powers congress didn't cede have weakened through disuse and misuse. As it stands now, there are sitting congressmen who believe they serve "at the pleasure of the president," which, obviously is not at all what they're supposed to be for. But lovely education, and a lack of institutional knowledge somehow (despite everyone being in their early 100's) have led us to the current situation where congress is more like a collection of especially noisy gnats to the executive's crime spree. You're probably right, though -- the constitution is in crisis and almost certainly will never regain functionality without a massive overhaul.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Not seeing how one can say gorsuch is swing vote when the fucker says this "We can't protect THE GAYS! Dogs and cats will marry! People will riot in the streets!"
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Tried to find a clean clip of "Who loves you and who do you love" but you'll have to settle for this instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJmRwDGk60&t=16s
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theflyingorc posted:"Strong Trump supporters" 90% of a group of people will trust what a famously awful con man says over their own family by a huge margin should worry you. That's a cult that will do almost anything.
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Ershalim posted:Oh. Well that's good news, then. Here's an apology bunny tax. https://twitter.com/LilBreezyVert1/status/1181035142875435010 Don't put rabbits in water they can easily go into shock and die
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Oracle posted:They are under the DOJ. But this got me curious as to which law enforcement officers do NOT report to the DOJ so I did some digging. They are: Very excited for NASA and Amtrak to team up and arrest the president's lackeys.
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No inspector general reports to the DOJ except DOJ-IG, fyi
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theflyingorc posted:"Strong Trump supporters"
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37% of Strong Trump Supporters are no longer invited to family functions.Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Not seeing how one can say gorsuch is swing vote when the fucker says this I 'love' how much of the anti-Trans argument is based on the whole "I declare I am a woman for the next ten minutes" absolute idiocy. And I really 'love' how it has been successfully used to justify horrible poo poo.
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Riptor posted:why are so many people writing it this way all of a sudden because its cool.(also maybe they're russian) (also also imo we should us SI prefixes because giga dollars sounds hella cool)
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The Super-Id posted:Very excited for NASA and Amtrak to team up and arrest the president's lackeys. All I'm hearing is we need some sort of Space Prison Train and I can't argue with it 
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Oracle posted:You didn't ask me nothin' but I'll answer you anyway.  Also thanks
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They are 'in negotiations' with the State Dept last we heard. They're currently three days late not responding to the subpoena. Outlook not so good.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Not seeing how one can say gorsuch is swing vote when the fucker says this 'massive social upheaval' was also used to argue against the first sex discrimination act. Ruth Bader Ginsburg must be risking a coronary to not reach over and slap Gorsuch in the back of his smug empty head.
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