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Ghosthotel posted:This is wild to me. This is a relevant argument to have about film and I feel you are wrong. You see the reality is in our world, people are loving stupid. People see people in film doing things they have to be actively told those things are bad or they will think they are ok. That's just the way people are. That's why the vast majority of people who see The Wolf of Wall Street believe than the Wolf is a hero, a very cool guy. They want to emulate him and that has directly impacted our world culture. The problem is, when making film, creators and directors do not consider their responsibility, or the fact there is a wider audience beyond hollywood, and beyond America, watching and partaking in their film, through thousands of different languages, cultures, and comprehension levels. These morally ambigious films are great art, they feel great for people intelligent enough, or well versed enough to understand, but that's less than 40% of the total population. The vast majority of people on earth are loving idiots and will feel no qualms about loving up everything for everyone else. That's why you have to be very careful with what you do whenever you are doing something that has the chance of influencing a lot of people. I would even venture as far as to say it's not possible to create a film in any way that is morally correct in this day and age.
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Terror Sweat posted:Also this movie is definitely going to make some kids start smoking, joker made it look cool as hell Did anyone else notice that every time there was a close up with him smoking it was almost down to the butt?
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You can only make film for retarded babies who don’t know right from wrong. You must explicitly explain everything at every step. Stories and art are dangerous, and must only be used for moral instruction. Anything else risks people turning Joker and saying the N word at church.
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Oct 8, 2019 22:38
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ThanosWasRight posted:This is a relevant argument to have about film and I feel you are wrong. What the gently caress is wrong with you
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Oct 8, 2019 22:40
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Terror Sweat posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you Liberalism
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Oct 8, 2019 22:42
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I don't believe in horseshoe theory but there's something to be said for how the idea that politics is downstream from culture is both the cornerstone of both alt-right pepes and wokescold blue checkmarks.
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Oct 8, 2019 22:59
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ThanosWasRight posted:This is a relevant argument to have about film and I feel you are wrong. Nice username/post combination
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Oct 8, 2019 23:04
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ThanosWasRight posted:This is a relevant argument to have about film and I feel you are wrong. A truly rancid post. Powerfully dumb.
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Oct 8, 2019 23:04
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Palate cleanser for that awful post. https://twitter.com/ryanheezy/status/1181398453429161984
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Oct 8, 2019 23:18
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RIP to the people who were murdered by Dungeons and/or Dragons. Jokes aside tho, suicides do rise after TV shows featuring suicides air. Movies aren’t mind control but people do absorb ideas from them. well why not fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 00:09
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It’s cool how everyone is worried that a movie where the rich are murdered is dangerous for society
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Oct 9, 2019 00:12
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Terror Sweat posted:It’s cool how everyone is worried that a movie where the rich are murdered is dangerous for society It’s almost entirely the media concerned about this. Almost as if there’s an agenda about damaging a movie that encourages class war, and a further agenda about using that narrative as marketing.
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Oct 9, 2019 00:19
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well why not posted:RIP to the people who were murdered by Dungeons and/or Dragons. heavy metal made me a satanist according to some guy on tv. jokes aside (lol) im not surprised the movie seems to be a hit over here where the corrupt rich have hosed us to hell and back.
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Oct 9, 2019 00:30
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1181269223403855872 Holy poo poo, lol.
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Oct 9, 2019 01:39
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1181269223403855872 Isn't that like 99% of movies? lol
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Oct 9, 2019 02:04
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99% is being generous!
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Oct 9, 2019 02:06
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:99% is being generous! Okay, okay, 99.9% there's probably someone out there who honestly made a movie just because they were bored and didn't care about the money.
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Oct 9, 2019 02:09
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Terror Sweat posted:It’s cool how everyone is worried that a movie where the rich are murdered is dangerous for society How rich could those guys be if they were taking the subway?
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Oct 9, 2019 02:11
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well why not posted:It’s almost entirely the media concerned about this. Almost as if there’s an agenda about damaging a movie that encourages class war, and a further agenda about using that narrative as marketing. I can't believe it only took like a year for Gotti's "the critics don't like this movie, so go see it to stick it to those ivory tower media elites" marketing push to be completely internalized.
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Oct 9, 2019 02:13
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Sleeveless posted:I can't believe it only took like a year for Gotti's "the critics don't like this movie, so go see it to stick it to those ivory tower media elites" marketing push to be completely internalized. Nah it's true. The criticism is joker is shallow with nothing to say, and audiences disagree. Take this New Yorker review. quote:A movie of a cynicism so vast and pervasive as to render the viewing experience even emptier than its slapdash aesthetic does. Maybe a guy who reviews movies for the New Yorker for a living can't actually relate to the pervasive cynicism defining American culture. I think it's hilarious CNN, a corporate news network, would criticize a movie for being a part of the corporate machine. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 02:14
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Movie too long
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1181269223403855872 What's even crazier is the article isn't even that strident. It doesn't say anything beyond "Movies exist, they make money, this movie probably won't inspire violence, but it could." The unstated subtext is that...he doesn't think the movie was very good.
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Oct 9, 2019 05:08
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 Joker, 2019 d. Phillips
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ruddiger posted:
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ruddiger posted:How rich could those guys be if they were taking the subway? It's a stand in for 70s/80s New York and I think those guys worked for Wayne Finance or something. Plenty of Wall Street guys and the other rich and rich-adjacent ride the train. Sexual harassers/bullies/finance guys getting splattered is fine by me at least.  well why not posted:It’s almost entirely the media concerned about this. Almost as if there’s an agenda about damaging a movie that encourages class war, and a further agenda about using that narrative as marketing. It's definitely because of the class war aspect. Nothing else makes sense. The Aurora shooting wasn't because of the movie itself, any big showing would have done, that was just a convenient way to get people to kill. There's been more than one Batman movie since then, including a terrible one with only villains.
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well why not posted:It’s almost entirely the media concerned about this. Almost as if there’s an agenda about damaging a movie that encourages class war, and a further agenda about using that narrative as marketing. This is a movie produced by a cadre of millionaires designed to make more millions are you loving kidding me with this poo poo, it's almost as if this sort of message is incredibly profitable these days and corporations are trying to exploit it
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Pussy Quipped posted:No he just walked through a puddle of red paint on the way out of her office then an orderly decided to chase him down the hallway. Am I an idiot or is ‘the whole movie is a joke the Joker was telling himself in the psychiatrist interview’ a possible interpretation of the film?
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Oct 9, 2019 15:32
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Am I an idiot or is ‘the whole movie is a joke the Joker was telling himself in the psychiatrist interview’ a possible interpretation of the film? It's possible, though stupid.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:40
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Necrothatcher posted:It's possible, though stupid. Fair enough, I might just be bringing in too much of the comics where the Joker reinvents his origin whenever a writer wants to put their own spin on it.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:55
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He was killed when he got jumped by the kids and the rest is a dying purgatorial vision until he wakes up in heaven (white walls)
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Does anyone think the scene where he kills the one coworker and lets the other one go could be a delusional fantasy? It makes no sense to me that his coworkers would come by his apartment, would know that his mother had died, would know where he lives, etc. It rings a lot more true as fantasy about being able to kill the one who wronged him and dole out clemency to the only one who was every nice to him rather than an actual event that occurred.
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I had assumed it was the investigators that also investigating that dude and Arthur that dropped the info.
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Sheogorath posted:Does anyone think the scene where he kills the one coworker and lets the other one go could be a delusional fantasy? The director just wanted to make a little person joke.
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skooma512 posted:It's definitely because of the class war aspect. Nothing else makes sense. The Aurora shooting wasn't because of the movie itself, any big showing would have done, that was just a convenient way to get people to kill. There's been more than one Batman movie since then, including a terrible one with only villains. Nobody even knew about the class war aspect until the movie actually came out and even now it's mostly just a footnote in discussions of the film. I get that people are having a grand old time dunking on hot takes from thinkpiece writers but this recent narrative of them all being class traitors who are covertly and intentionally manipulating the public at the bidding of their shadowy billionaire cabal masters is asinine. Especially when it comes full circle and the people who were making fun of writers for thinking that a movie could incite a shooting are now unironically accusing those same writers of trying to incite a shooting, becoming the very thing they were making fun of. Sheogorath posted:Does anyone think the scene where he kills the one coworker and lets the other one go could be a delusional fantasy? I doubt it because the movie doesn't have that kind of subtlety, when the neighbor doesn't recognize him it immediately smash cuts into a ten second long supercut of every scene of the two of them together in the movie just to make absolutely sure that you Get It.
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Sheogorath posted:Does anyone think the scene where he kills the one coworker and lets the other one go could be a delusional fantasy? The thing about “it’s all in his head” interpretations and why they usuallly suck is that most scenes of a movie can be interpreted as a characters fantasy because the movie itself is a fantasy about that characters psychology. There’s nothing that stands out in this scene that suggests it should be taken differently from any others, also they were coming by more out of guilt-obligation (and wanting to make sure he wasn’t going to talk about the gun) than anything else.
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Exactly correct - 'it was all in their head' is just an inelegant way to say that while a film may be 'objectively' filmed in third person, it nevertheless represents someone's point of view.
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I liked it. I do think there's a strain of shitbags who will be 'inspired' by it. The last decade of shitbags shooting people is a strong indicator of that. Not that there'll be any violence off the back of it (I loving hope not at least) but the usual Pepe scum will be worshipping it for years to come. stev fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Do guy guys think the credits sequence was just in Joker's head. I've just heard about this thing called the unreliable narrator so I want to apply it to everything I can. I do sorta wonder how this movie would have been perceived if it didn't have the comic book connection. Like does being a comic book movie lower audience expectations? Allow it to dodge comparisons to King of Comedy? Because strictly speaking, nothing here "needed" to be Batman related, especially since it doesn't even keep previous characterizations, e.g., Thomas Wayne being the one good rich guy.
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Blast Fantasto posted:The score for this movie was very good and reminded me a lot of Johann Johannsson’s work - I looked it up and the composer for Joker, Hildur Guonadottir, actually played cello on a number of Johannsson’s scores. It reminded me a lot of the more bombastic parts of Carter Burwell’s score for Fargo, which isn’t a bad thing.
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Most of Thomas Wayne’s rep as being the bestest guy ever comes from Bruce though, and of course he’s going to think that about his dead dad. It’s not necessarily contradictory about the idea that Thomas Wayne was a generous philanthropist who also maybe had an an illegitimate son and said some kinda iffy stuff about poor people and the mentally ill. I mean however many hospitals he built he was also the head of a weapons manufacturing megacorp. massive spider fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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