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Oct 9, 2019 20:36
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Eifert Posting posted:Lol at anyone purporting to be socialist carrying water for China. China is just 20s America spraypainted red. The History Genius has logged on
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Oct 9, 2019 20:41
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Nah, 2020s HK is 20s US, you can move the Tenement Museum to HK and is a desirable property.
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Oct 9, 2019 20:47
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Yeah but Gamerz wouldn't support Palestine and nobody would talk about in after a couple days Yet more proof that ssbm is the best game https://liquipedia.net/smash/Free_Palestine This has lead to great commentary during tournaments such as "Wait is Palestine a country?" "Uhh yes"
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Oct 9, 2019 20:50
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Frijolero posted:The History Genius has logged on History my rear end, that's a statement on modern China, not 20s US. Insert any hyper-capitalist hellhole you care to for that metaphor.
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Oct 9, 2019 20:56
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forgive my ignorance on HK. the police brutality is still bad, right
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Oct 9, 2019 20:57
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Eifert Posting posted:History my rear end, that's a statement on modern China, not 20s US. Insert any hyper-capitalist hellhole you care to for that metaphor. Do you even understand the difference between small government and large government?
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Oct 9, 2019 20:58
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whatever7 posted:Do you even understand the difference between small government and large government? Being an authoritarian hellhole isn't the metric for marxism, last I checked.
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Oct 9, 2019 21:06
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 9, 2019 21:19
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apparently Tencent's ban on NBA streaming only applies to the Rockets. i'm sure that will still piss off a fair amount of people. i have to imagine that they're the most popular team in China for obvious reasons
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Oct 9, 2019 21:26
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 9, 2019 21:31
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Mantis42 posted:Hong Kongers don't care about Uyghurs, they're typical narcissistic libs who are okay with the oppression of second class minorities even within their own city. The protests are a tantrum being thrown over the national government wanting to enforce the law within it's own borders. Dumbass libs don't want to be disappeared by a police state. Hard to feel sympathy, given that the same police state is currently targeting and torturing other ethnic groups in a much worse manner. Well, that's my post, folks.
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Oct 9, 2019 21:34
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sincx posted:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3032164/nba-damage-control-mode-adam-silver-lands-china-hong-kong The correct answer to that question is yes.
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Oct 9, 2019 21:34
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what will blizzard do now that the gamers are rising up
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Oct 9, 2019 22:07
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Scionix posted:what will blizzard do now that the gamers are rising up 5 free loot boxes and they'll fold
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Oct 9, 2019 22:11
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Scionix posted:what will blizzard do now that the gamers are rising up wait about 3 days until everyone forgets about it
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Oct 9, 2019 22:22
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sincx posted:Incidentally, the "thinks they're better than the rest of China" thing has led HKers to severely overestimate how important HK is and thus how much leverage they have. Their leverage is, according to themselves, "if we burn, you burn with us." Which might have mattered in 1997, but these days the CCP really won't be too bothered if the HK economy collapses. HK still provides a link to Western capital markets that they'd be stupid to give up. Obviously, during expansionary periods Western finance will happily play the Shanghai stock exchange, but when poo poo goes sideways I don't think anybody really believes their money will be safe there.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:25
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Eifert Posting posted:The biggest reason I support the Hong Kong Protests is because I had a loving incredible meal at a Uygur restaurant near the old Hong Kong airport. That place is really good but it's Hui, not Uyghur. Hong Kong doesn't have much in the way of Uyghur food. Gotta go to Shenzhen. Uyghurs have trouble getting out of China for some reason?
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Oct 9, 2019 22:27
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https://twitter.com/blakersdozen/status/1182014266481577984?s=19 worker solidarity
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Oct 9, 2019 22:32
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get that OUT of my face posted:forgive my ignorance on HK. the police brutality is still bad, right Why would Chinese cops be bad? 
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Oct 9, 2019 22:34
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all cops are bad
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Oct 9, 2019 22:38
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[on being asked to help form a labor union] me not that kind of orc
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Oct 9, 2019 22:39
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a fatguy baldspot posted:all cops are bad Ah but you see, without an organized force the proletarian state wouldn't be able to supress the bourgeoisie and they'd end up running the country. Can't have that!
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Oct 9, 2019 22:49
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thanks for the breakdowns tho y’all. seems like everyone kinda sucks in this situation.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:53
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I like to flip back and forth from this thread to the cop thread as my expression changes like a theater mask
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Oct 9, 2019 22:56
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 9, 2019 23:17
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a fatguy baldspot posted:thanks for the breakdowns tho y’all. seems like everyone kinda sucks in this situation. the protesters are essentially in the right despite some of them being idiots about the US/UK stuff, too bad that neither peaceful protesting nor direct action escalation is going to keep them from being crushed to pulp by the loving embrace of the People's Republic of China
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Oct 10, 2019 00:18
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Let's revive the gang of four and get this poo poo sorted out.
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Oct 10, 2019 00:25
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Bloodnose posted:That place is really good but it's Hui, not Uyghur. Hong Kong doesn't have much in the way of Uyghur food. Gotta go to Shenzhen. Uyghurs have trouble getting out of China for some reason? Syria probably has at least one Uyghur place by now
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Oct 10, 2019 01:30
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Kurtofan posted:Is Taiwan their borders tho The PRC considers Taiwan to be a part of the PRC. Hong Kong is also a part of the PRC. In order for the murder suspect to be extradited from Hong Kong to Taiwan, HK wanted to pass a law that would allow people from one province of China (HK) to be extradited to another province of China (Taiwan). The collective freakout that triggered the protests was the assumption that such a law could be used to extradite people from HK, to, say, Beijing, and further, that this would be used to prosecute political dissidents.
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Oct 10, 2019 01:35
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whatever7 posted:Nah, 2020s HK is 20s US, you can move the Tenement Museum to HK and is a desirable property. a bonus army, but it's demonetized hearthstone streamers
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Oct 10, 2019 01:38
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The movement made a lot of strategic mistakes along the way. Two big ones are the decentralization structure and the 5 demand slogan. The slogan is "All 5 demands, no one less", whoever came up with this slogan didn't want to compromise at all. Why would you add the "no one less" in the end until you didn't plan to negotiate from the get go? Do you just expect Carrie Lim quit or kill herself publicly and the government folds? Why do you think Deng insists to have PLA station in HK back in 1984? Also, the decentralization makes even less sense. How do you plan to meet with Carrie Lam, or come up with an agreed response in the reconciliation phrase? Unless you didn't plan to reconcile at all. They even have a slogan for the decentralization, "brothers climb mountains, on your own paces". Yeah, that's a lot of planning for whoever came up with these from the start, and organized a movement that's very good at creating chaos but not good at negotiation. Lol at the liberal parties lawmakers who threw themselves in this movement which was hijacked from the start. Also, philosophically, decentralization and hiding behind the masks essentially means you don't have faith in your own goal and can't put a face, or leader behind it. You don't want to show your face, you don't want to name a leader, that means you are not willing to go to jail for what you believe in That means you are no Gandhi, no Mandela. What's the matter, you are not willing to go to jail for 5 years, 10 years for democracy? How come I can count plenty of mainlanders who did it? You are just an all-talk wise guy classic Hong Konger.
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Oct 10, 2019 01:41
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Oct 10, 2019 01:45
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whatever7 posted:The movement made a lot of strategic mistakes along the way. Two big ones are the decentralization structure and the 5 demand slogan. The slogan is "All 5 demands, no one less", whoever came up with this slogan didn't want to compromise at all. Why would you add the "no one less" in the end until you didn't plan to negotiate from the get go? Do you just expect Carrie Lim quit or kill herself publicly and the government folds? Why do you think Deng insists to have PLA station in HK back in 1984? I do agree on the fact that there seems to be no way to reach resolution for the protests and I'm not sure what their end goal is here. Basically, there is a lot of surface to attack the HK Protests on but attacking them for "hiding behind masks" because they don't want their livelihoods/life taken away? You're saying unless they're duck marching themselves into the nearest gaol they have no credibility and are probably doing it just for kicks. How dare some protest with the aim to better their lot for themselves and others and at the same time try to minimize the damage to themselves/their brothers?! Come the gently caress on.
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Oct 10, 2019 01:52
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Mantis42 posted:Hong Kongers don't care about Uyghurs, they're typical narcissistic libs who are okay with the oppression of second class minorities even within their own city. The protests are a tantrum being thrown over the national government wanting to enforce the law within it's own borders. Yes there is literally no way to legislate this in a way that doesn’t also allow people to be abducted from HK to be subject to kangaroo courts in the mainland. No way at all. Impossible.
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Oct 10, 2019 02:10
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LimburgLimbo posted:Yes there is literally no way to legislate this in a way that doesn’t also allow people to be abducted from HK to be subject to kangaroo courts in the mainland. No way at all. Impossible. you mean like how the law already was written?
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Oct 10, 2019 02:12
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GreyjoyBastard posted:https://twitter.com/blakersdozen/status/1182014266481577984?s=19 lmao @ the orc statue
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Oct 10, 2019 02:13
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also the quasi-maximalist "five demands not one less" pitch is both pretty reasonable given, well, four of the demands, and a strategy to try and end-run the inevitable "look, we're giving in to the demand that we not jail all your asses forever, what more do you greedy bougies want  "quote:Aside from the withdrawal of the bill, the protesters had also demanded an independent probe into the use of force by police; amnesty for arrested protesters; a halt to categorising the protests as riots; and the implementation of universal suffrage. withdrawal of the bill, universal suffrage, and three extremely good directly protest-related demands without which the unarrested protesters would be throwing their comrades under the bus if they get everything except the suffrage, the protests were still almost worthless in terms of practical results, given the blood and tears involved; now, the symbolism of getting the legislature / PRC to go "alright fine we won't extradite everyone who annoys us to the mainland" might be enough, but I think what they went with is a solid platform
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Oct 10, 2019 02:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:The PRC considers Taiwan to be a part of the PRC. i wonder why they would worry about such a thing even though the stated reason for the law was to extradite someone to Taiwan. 
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Oct 10, 2019 02:14
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No I am saying the goal of the protest was not about the extradition bill, it was about crippling the HK government. That was why it was designed in such a loose, leaderless, faceless way. If it was really about stopping the extradition bill, it would have been organized by an actual person, or a band of liberal law makers and student leaders. And they would be able to negotiate with the government way the gently caress back in may, before the police crack down. And they would be happy to take the cancelled bill as a victory and stop. I am using to unusually characteristics of this movement to show it was not about the bill.
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Oct 10, 2019 02:14
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