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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1181936763671138307 One thing to consider is that the Tories have spent most of that three years without a majority and thus either beholden to the DUP or incapable of functioning. It is possible that Boris could get in with a majority and pivot to Norway+ just so he could say he's done it. I mean, I wouldn't bet money on it, but he's a jellyfish on all counts so it's not implausible.
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Steve2911 posted:Has he just accepted that impeachment is the best case scenario and trying to cause as much damage to the world as possible before it happens? He knows the Republicans in the Senate are too cowardly to vote to impeach him, so he is just gonna keep doing the same crazy poo poo as he continues to get more and more unhinged
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Jedit posted:One thing to consider is that the Tories have spent most of that three years without a majority and thus either beholden to the DUP or incapable of functioning. It is possible that Boris could get in with a majority and pivot to Norway+ just so he could say he's done it. I mean, I wouldn't bet money on it, but he's a jellyfish on all counts so it's not implausible. Anything's possible. But in terms of electoral calculus, Labour will be able to point to the deal they want and have credible evidence the EU will accept it. And they'll be promising a near immediate referendum to settle things 'once and for all'. Meanwhile Boris will be promising to go back to the negotiating table and demand... what? The deal he has currently? May's deal? He'll be promising to negotiate a deal when he's already proven he can't.
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I mean, should we be surprised that the US is just hanging another ostensible third-world ally out to dry? That's literally what they always do.
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The Glumslinger posted:He knows the Republicans in the Senate are too cowardly to vote to impeach him, so he is just gonna keep doing the same crazy poo poo as he continues to get more and more unhinged He's basically Caligula 2000 isn't he? That's how people are going to talk about him once the dust has settled. Settled out of the atmosphere and we can start learning how to do agriculture again.
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Guavanaut posted:Dismantling empires for imperialism. Our imperialism = good, their imperialism = bad, obviously.
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who is colleen rooney who is rebekah vardy why are people retweeting this sorry i’m cstching up on the timeline
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bump_fn posted:who is colleen rooney who is rebekah vardy why are people retweeting this sorry i’m cstching up on the timeline A footballers wife, and her friend. So perfect tosh for tabloids.
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It's gutter press shite, the only salient point is that the Sun are being huge cunts as per usual
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happyhippy posted:A footballers wife, and her friend. They're both footballer's wives
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Cerebral Bore posted:I mean, should we be surprised that the US is just hanging another ostensible third-world ally out to dry? That's literally what they always do. but enough about brexit
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xtothez posted:Holy poo poo I don't know if you've noticed but he doesn't really like or care about europe
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Kurtofan posted:I don't know if you've noticed but he doesn't really like or care
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Jedit posted:One thing to consider is that the Tories have spent most of that three years without a majority and thus either beholden to the DUP or incapable of functioning. It is possible that Boris could get in with a majority and pivot to Norway+ just so he could say he's done it. I mean, I wouldn't bet money on it, but he's a jellyfish on all counts so it's not implausible. Could he even do that? Pivoting to Norway+ would get Brexit done, but now all the Brexiters are foaming at the mouth for no deal, and they'd probably label it Worse Than No Deal, and suddenly the internal Tory division is threatening to tear the party apart again.
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bump_fn posted:who is colleen rooney who is rebekah vardy why are people retweeting this sorry i’m cstching up on the timeline It's actually quite endearing, celeb A been getting their doings leaked to the Sun so they Tyrion Lannistered it, blocked everyone except the suspect and then said dumb fake poo poo so if that dumb fake poo poo was in the papers boom, they know the leaker. Celeb A owned celeb B and lots of people had fun with it on twitter.com. I don't care about it personally but all strength to people who do and it certainly diminished the Sun for a few people.
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The Glumslinger posted:And to not understand how roads work 
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PittTheElder posted:Could he even do that? Pivoting to Norway+ would get Brexit done, but now all the Brexiters are foaming at the mouth for no deal, and they'd probably label it Worse Than No Deal, and suddenly the internal Tory division is threatening to tear the party apart again. Doesn't Norway still have free movement? Let's be real, that's the only issue that matters.
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Britain’s wartime generation are almost as pro-EU as millennialsquote:There is a significant difference in opinion on Brexit between different age groups in the UK, with older citizens generally exhibiting more negative attitudes toward the EU than younger ones. But as Kieran Devine writes, while over 65s are typically treated as a single category in opinion polls, there are substantial generational differences within this group, with those who lived through the Second World War being far more likely to oppose Brexit. source: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/over-65s-brexit/ TL:DR if you actually lived through WW2 you're more likely to oppose brexit than if you think you did.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If there's one thing more annoying than celebrity gossip it's people Kramering in to ostentatiously ask who the people even are to demonstrate just how above it all they are. Be careful you don't direct this ire at people with dementia, though. My great aunt sat and read my ma the same stories from the same Hello magazine on every visit in her final couple of years or so, bless her.
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Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Obviously abandoning them like Trump did is going to lead to a massacre/humanitarian crisis, but staying in the region as a permanent peacekeeping force is hardly going to work. Threaten Turkey with something unless they find a political solution? What's the best answer?
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crispix posted:Be careful you don't direct this ire at people with dementia, though.
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It’s US news, but here’s a fun thread on the incredible benefits of a privatised electricity grid: https://twitter.com/bedwardstiek/status/1182047040932470784?s=21
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Global socialist revolution.
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? I haven't read the Guardian today but I can only assume the real solution involves some kind of Sensible centrist to just sort it all out.
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Obviously abandoning them like Trump did is going to lead to a massacre/humanitarian crisis, but staying in the region as a permanent peacekeeping force is hardly going to work. Threaten Turkey with something unless they find a political solution? What's the best answer? It's a loving quagmire, there's no good option, but I think green zones providing care for displaced people but tacitly also open to Kurdish fighters, like of course we help with injuries but also when they leave they somehow also have useful intel and whisper it know about arms caches maybe someone has hidden. I get the argument that if you're gonna get in a war then get in it properly but there is definitely a legit justification for a military presence supporting controlled areas even if we are technically uninvolved.
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Obviously abandoning them like Trump did is going to lead to a massacre/humanitarian crisis, but staying in the region as a permanent peacekeeping force is hardly going to work. Threaten Turkey with something unless they find a political solution? What's the best answer? If they're in NATO, they should loiter annoyingly in the path of Turkish troops and bombing runs while opening their borders (and, if necessary, sending in personnel) for a massive evacuation of Kurds, and airlifting out any ISIS prisoners who they happen to be responsible for under heavy guard. Nurturing Rojava until it had a chance to become an independent Kurdistan was a high-risk project that would have annoyed a lot of people, but might have been worthwhile - unfortunately, that seems to be out the window now.
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Obviously abandoning them like Trump did is going to lead to a massacre/humanitarian crisis, but staying in the region as a permanent peacekeeping force is hardly going to work. Threaten Turkey with something unless they find a political solution? What's the best answer? Like Brexit, there isn't any solution that is politically acceptable to all the factions. And all of those factions are likely prepared to use force to get their way. If you look at it from the perspective of a politician in 'the West', the "best" angle is probably to let the existing national governments of the area do what they will. A lot of people will die, but it doesn't involve western soldiers dying, it's cheap, the disruption will be localized, and all you'll have sacrificed is your morals. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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David Graeber was saying that the Kurds in the region don't want to secede from their countries, they just want autonomy for those regions so they can organise things like they've been doing in Rojava. But that means political blocs with power challenging the way states like Turkey run things, weakening that control, which is why they're being crushed As far as I know there wasn't even a peacekeeping force exactly, it was just US soldiers stationed in the region as human shields, but in the sense that they were completely safe because Turkey wouldn't dare attack while they were there. But they've been planning for it for a while - apparently Russia was doing something similar in another part of Rojava a while back, and also just walked away and let Turkey annex it e- Graeber also pointed out that this is NATO's doing - they're allowing Turkey to do this, they're supplying equipment and arms, providing the constant maintenance. They provided military aid to the Kurds, but nothing that they could use against Turkey's tanks and air force, because Turkey said no. And now Erdogan is conveniently setting up a containment zone for all those ISIS fighters NATO countries don't want to take back. All works out real nice for everyone huh baka kaba fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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PittTheElder posted:Like Brexit, there probably isn't any solution that is politically acceptable to all the factions prepared to use force to get their way. Not sure on this one. The national governments of the area have historically done a very poor job of keeping the disruption localised, and now Erdogan is literally siccing a revived ISIS on Europe with Trump's blessings.
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PittTheElder posted:Could he even do that? Pivoting to Norway+ would get Brexit done, but now all the Brexiters are foaming at the mouth for no deal, and they'd probably label it Worse Than No Deal, and suddenly the internal Tory division is threatening to tear the party apart again. XMNN posted:re: the speaker selection
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The exact same poo poo happens today than in times of the Greeks and the Romans Makes you wonder how much we’ve really advanced
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Hadn't seen this discussed much in thread: https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1182020313929805824?s=19 Apparently the Benn act forgot to include a 'no takebacksies' clause.
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Pochoclo posted:The exact same poo poo happens today than in times of the Greeks and the Romans Well, I don't see any Roman videos game around anywhere, so a pretty long way.
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Ms Adequate posted:Well, I don't see any Roman videos game around anywhere, so a pretty long way. 
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jabby posted:Genuine question, what would be the best way for the West to tackle the Kurds/Turkey thing? Obviously abandoning them like Trump did is going to lead to a massacre/humanitarian crisis, but staying in the region as a permanent peacekeeping force is hardly going to work. Threaten Turkey with something unless they find a political solution? What's the best answer? With the US and NATO giving the thumbs up to Turkey's invasion of Syria, the west has made their position clear (if it was not already clear to many). What needs to be done is the proper reintegration of Northern Syria with the Syrian state in exchange for greater autonomy which the state seems to be coming around to and I imagine with the Americans making it clear to the kurds that they are not to be trusted I can't imagine they have anyone else to turn to.
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