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Venom Snake posted:like it's all a giant big evil china monster harming a poor defenseless cute asian women i like the pooh bondage kink one personally, real hot stuff
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Oct 10, 2019 08:17
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whatever7 posted:gently caress CIA, it was the property czars who have owned the Hong kongers for decades and want to pass on their kingdom to their sons and daughters pass 2047 and want to forever own the Hong Kong government. I wanna see this video just because I wanna see a Hong Kong property developer forced to speak Mandarin. He must've had his balls in one hell of a vice over some huge development in Foshan to suffer that kind of humiliation.
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Oct 10, 2019 08:22
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Venom Snake posted:from a million posts ago but many states and county's have mandatory JROTC which is high school. If this is true I did not know that at all and will eat part of my words. Do you have any links though? I’ve legit never heard of this and google isn’t giving me anything atm; drowned out by discussion of it in the Philippines.
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Oct 10, 2019 08:29
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I know JROTC exists but I've never ever heard of it being mandatory.
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Oct 10, 2019 08:33
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LimburgLimbo posted:If this is true I did not know that at all and will eat part of my words. Do you have any links though? I’ve legit never heard of this and google isn’t giving me anything atm; drowned out by discussion of it in the Philippines. The Philippines had mandatory ROTC (i.e. at the college level) from 1935 up until it was abolished in 2001 after an ROTC cadet was murdered for trying to blow the whistle on corruption within its ranks. Currently, college freshmen have the option of choosing either ROTC, or a "National Service Training Program", which is civilian-grade community outreach programs. The very right-wing Congress is trying to implement mandatory ROTC again. We also have "Citizenship Advancement Training", which is mandatory senior-high-school level military training, which dates back to at least 1985 (under the Marcos regime) and has remained in force throughout.
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Oct 10, 2019 08:39
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Bro Dad posted:Weird because the billionaires who literally own hk are against the protests because its bringing down property values I don't know how much you follow hk news. The billionares only "officially" against the protest. Li ka shing doesnt even pretend anymore. He is flatout supporting the protest. He is a loving 90 year old he doesn't care about loving up his son's business when he dies. If the protest follow the 2014 playbook, the real estate price wouldn't budge. Of course CCP can bring down the billionares in HK, but its going to be much harder than in mainland because chief execute has very weak executive power. And CCP has no judicial support and media support in HK at all. Thats why CCP can't do it until the middle class showed they are willing to burn HK down because they are so against becoming Chinese lol. whatever7 has issued a correction as of 09:24 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 08:59
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Bloodnose posted:I wanna see this video just because I wanna see a Hong Kong property developer forced to speak Mandarin. He must've had his balls in one hell of a vice over some huge development in Foshan to suffer that kind of humiliation. https://youtu.be/H1L5E3tmYWM Mando is very easy. HKer just pretend they dont speak it like French.
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Oct 10, 2019 09:01
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Oct 10, 2019 09:15
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Venom Snake posted:Is it just me or does most of the anti-china poo poo reddit pumps out seem more like literal yellow scare poo poo from the late 1800's than actual pro-democracy stuff
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Oct 10, 2019 09:33
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I can't blame them for that.
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Oct 10, 2019 09:33
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did someone say daesh
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Oct 10, 2019 09:33
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whatever7 posted:https://youtu.be/H1L5E3tmYWM It's Ronnie Chan. He's a second-generation billionaire developer. I thought maybe you got a first generation like LKS or LSK to come out and stumble through mandarin like the infamous Fernando Chui speech. This is long but it sounds interesting. I'll watch it later and see if there's bits worth translating for the thread.
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Oct 10, 2019 09:45
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I mean Taiwan still has compulsory military service for men, I believe it's down to four months now (done after high school or college) and even that is supposed to be phased out soon. But that date keeps getting pushed back.
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Oct 10, 2019 10:18
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Oct 10, 2019 11:15
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how many dashes would the US need to go around Guam and American Samoa
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Oct 10, 2019 11:30
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Someone should tell them you're only meant to luck the top of the boot, not the sole.
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Oct 10, 2019 11:40
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:well D&D is proposing drawing giant dicks in the sea to challenge the nine-dash-line so that's where this place is at oh no, anything but further brutal oppression of chinese *checks notes* imperialist territorial grabs in the south china sea
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Oct 10, 2019 11:50
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Homeless Friend posted:did someone say daesh
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Oct 10, 2019 13:35
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but they're not to broach the subject of politics, remember
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Oct 10, 2019 13:39
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imo the PRC won like fifteen years ago and white people are basically just sour grapesing about it now in a really funny (and embarrassing, for them) yellow peril way
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Oct 10, 2019 13:50
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:imo the PRC won like fifteen years ago and white people are basically just sour grapesing about it now in a really funny (and embarrassing, for them) yellow peril way What happened 15 years ago?
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Oct 10, 2019 14:06
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:imo the PRC won like fifteen years ago and white people are basically just sour grapesing about it now in a really funny (and embarrassing, for them) yellow peril way Clinton granted Most Favoured Nation trading status to the PRC in 1994, so a bit longer than that.
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Oct 10, 2019 14:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE_ccFHjL_w this isnt an endorsement just a discussion prompt i found the completely unprovoked slams on both pandas and ducks to be suspect also song of the south the one movie everyone knows is racist but no one has actually seen the idea that fertility cant be controlled is also weird as hell considering that basically the entire developed world has unintentionally enforced it via capitalist hellworld ditto for the later part where the piece is acting like china is the only country dealing with an aging workforce im also very suspicious of the 1984 pbs documentary that tells us about how evil the chinese are for monitoring fertility that gives us exactly one sentence in the original chinese for context also cant help but lol at the 1993 pbs documentary arguing that chinese kids are way too fat this obviously came out before the talking point about how fatness is proof about the superiority of capitalism oh yeah also the section about how dating is terrible and relies entirely on selling yourself via stupid gimmicks or relying on sex dolls and sex trafficking problems these are all most definitely exclusive to chinese culture
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Oct 10, 2019 14:34
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whatever7 posted:What happened 15 years ago? nothing, Zimby is a delusional
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Oct 10, 2019 14:41
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whatever7 posted:The movement made a lot of strategic mistakes along the way. Two big ones are the decentralization structure and the 5 demand slogan. The slogan is "All 5 demands, no one less", whoever came up with this slogan didn't want to compromise at all. Why would you add the "no one less" in the end until you didn't plan to negotiate from the get go? Do you just expect Carrie Lim quit or kill herself publicly and the government folds? Why do you think Deng insists to have PLA station in HK back in 1984? I would think starting a negiotation with "I am willing to give up" is a terrible position. You should start from the position of looking like you are not going to bend. Raccooon has issued a correction as of 14:47 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 14:43
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 Militarily: The US could probably have contained China for another 20 years or so if it weren’t for the GWOT/OIF. If Bush has done a pacific pivot then, the geopolitics could maybe have worked out until the US/JP/SK economies ran out of gas trying to make it work. Instead, the PLAN achieved technical parity with the USN in the 2010s (as a direct result of the shift to counterterrorism) and the Chinese economy continues to grow despite a contractionary trade war with the US.Economically: probably the neoliberals would have needed to pass a TPP-like by 2005 or so to form an economic bloc that could stand up to China. As an American, setting aside any “morality” of our demon cracker settler colonialist state, the basic problem is an unwillingness to acknowledge an end to the halcyon superpower days and an intense disagreement among the policy makers who half-understand it and keep changing policy on whether to go out with a bang or a whimper every 8 years or so. Like this poo poo with the NBA is a great illustration. In America, freedom belongs to consumers and is expressed through consumer decisions; when someone makes a political comment that enough consumers are mad about, they will get fired or muzzled or whatever. But Americans specifically (maybe Westerners in general) aren’t willing to acknowledge that 1.4b Chinese consumers also have opinions and will express them through the dollar, just as both anti-fascists do when they try to deplatform Milo or fascists when they successfully blackball Kaepernick or whatever. Anyway now social fascists of the liberal national security state think China can be repartitioned or broken like the Soviets and they’ll be proven wrong by history (just like they’re being proven wrong in Venezuela, Syria, etc.)
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Oct 10, 2019 14:47
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Raccooon posted:I would think starting a negiotation with "I am willing to give up already" is a terrible start. You should start from the position of looking like you are not going to bend. At least Trump is a better negotiator than the HK protesters. When it's getting close to election next year he will deal. Also you forget one thing about the HK protesters, they don't actually hold any card to negotiate. The only card they had was "not make a ruckus during Oct 1". Beijing knew (by late Aug) it was impossible negotiate that guarantee from the decentralized protesters, so they dialed up the police activities and got more violence from the protesters instead.
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Oct 10, 2019 14:55
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whatever7 posted:At least Trump is a better negotiator than the HK protesters. When it's getting close to election next year he will deal. lmao
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Oct 10, 2019 15:15
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:
Yeah, I doubt it any of that would be possible considering up to 2014-2015 the DC establishment thought everything was okay and by then it was way way too late. Even if the War on Terror hadn’t happened we would have still kept on acting everything was fine because American corporations were still making a ton of cash. If anything it seemed pretty baked in, and he Great Recession also has to happen eventually after Clinton deregulated derivatives.
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Oct 10, 2019 15:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I've got bad news about liberal democracy and ultracapitalist authoritarianism my canto friends family moved to here because it was unaffordable even a decade ago. they hate the mainland for more, uhh, problematic/sorta racist reasons too but their main gripe is that the government has done squat for affordable living in HK
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Oct 10, 2019 15:35
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mila kunis posted:my canto friends family moved to here because it was unaffordable even a decade ago. they hate the mainland for more, uhh, problematic/sorta racist reasons too but their main gripe is that the government has done squat for affordable living in HK Where is "here", Shenzhen or Canada? Also, lol.
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Oct 10, 2019 15:38
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LimburgLimbo posted:If this is true I did not know that at all and will eat part of my words. Do you have any links though? I’ve legit never heard of this and google isn’t giving me anything atm; drowned out by discussion of it in the Philippines. ill try to dig something up but it varies very widely from place to place hence State and county. Education in America is extremely localized, and my take is that most of the stuff you learn in JROTC is p harmless and the idea that chinese students have "bad" propaganda and military training instead of their own version of what a lot of western countries have is a little silly. edit: noted nightmare dystopias such as finland and spain have mandatory service programs after I guess their equivalent of high school. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:well D&D is proposing drawing giant dicks in the sea to challenge the nine-dash-line so that's where this place is at I love how all western liberals knowledge of china begins and ends at "face culture" with nothing else
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Oct 10, 2019 15:39
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hmm https://twitter.com/sumtingwong2019/status/1182271161696022528?s=19
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Oct 10, 2019 15:40
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whatever7 posted:Where is "here", Shenzhen or Canada? canada
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Oct 10, 2019 15:41
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, I doubt it any of that would be possible considering up to 2014-2015 the DC establishment thought everything was okay and by then it was way way too late. Even if the War on Terror hadn’t happened we would have still kept on acting everything was fine because American corporations were still making a ton of cash. yeah only insane racist reactionary maniacs like pat buchanan cared about it in the 90s or 00s or whatever. weird how liberalism sows the seeds of its own destruction and it gives way to either futile fascist revanchists (Buchanan, the liberals freaking out about HK, etc.) or, uh, socialism
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Oct 10, 2019 16:02
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:yeah only insane racist reactionary maniacs like pat buchanan cared about it in the 90s or 00s or whatever. weird how liberalism sows the seeds of its own destruction and it gives way to either futile fascist revanchists (Buchanan, the liberals freaking out about HK, etc.) or, uh, socialism Well, part of it simply Marxian mechanics and rest is "end of history" nearsightedness, nevertheless I do think American-Chinese relations between the late 1970s to 2014 were fairly baked in. China turned to state capitalism because near-autarky had run its course and there wasn't really anywhere for the PRC to go, and the US was happy to welcome this victory. Otherwise, as moderating influence of social-democracy/reform liberalism faded during the 1990s/2000s, a turn to more radical politics was inevitable (as well as a growing distrust of "elite politics" and free trade). So now here we are in a second Cold War, that neither side really wants to get into but seemingly can't get out of.
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Oct 10, 2019 17:04
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Oct 10, 2019 17:13
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i dont know about the chinese economy continuing to grow. if they get shut out of exporting certain things to certain markets, they're going to have to resort to domestic demand which would mean wage increases. but lower wages (than western labor) is what launched their growth in the first place, so what's the way forward?
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Oct 10, 2019 17:19
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In a 3-kingdoms relationship, you always want to ally with one of the kingdoms and gang up the other, and never let the other 2 kingdoms make alliance. Deng pivoted to US starting from the late 70s, learnt the way of market economy and globalization, pretended to be a good student of US; then China swung back to Russia in the late 90s early 2000s, settled all border disputes, kept up with weapon and energy purchases to ensure good sino-russia relationship. In 2020s, US should make new detente with Russia a strategy to contain China, but US hosed the Russkies a little bit too much post cold war with the shock therapy and the NATO expansion, it poisoned the relationship as long as Putin is running the show. Any alliance with Russia is not possible in the near future.
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Oct 10, 2019 17:30
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mila kunis posted:i dont know about the chinese economy continuing to grow. if they get shut out of exporting certain things to certain markets, they're going to have to resort to domestic demand which would mean wage increases. but lower wages (than western labor) is what launched their growth in the first place, so what's the way forward? Thats it. People become richer and then they buy more stuff. Maybe some of the stuff comes from other countries but thats not super important. Its kind of funny that *wages go up* is the point where you get all befuddled because apparently its such an alien concept to white people or bananas.
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Oct 10, 2019 17:37
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