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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

namesake posted:

I'm not going to let

"Yes: just because Hitler liked something doesn't mean it was necessarily bad. But there is a genuine similarity between why governments now secretly like mass immigration, and why fascism openly encouraged population growth."

Slide because that's just UKIP talk in nicer language. You solve the problems globally and then let people move where they like because that's what global equality means rather than quibbling over who gets to move where which will always be racist and classist.
His fascism comparisons are poo poo, but that doesn't mean we can't accept people are forced to move around for all kinds of bad reasons and address those reasons that people are forced to move. The people giving their life savings to traffickers for a chance at crossing the Mediterranean on a pool noodle aren't moving 'where they like' and would probably be happier if they didn't have to do that, same with the people bonded to work gangs, and the people they left behind are often the people who can't leave.

That's something that has to be addressed in parallel with making sure that public services are adequate for people moving here because they'd like to.

e: 1896 - International Socialist Workers and Trade Union Congress held in London, Lord Kitchener captures Dongola :dong:

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Oct 10, 2019

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Calico Heart posted:

!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!

I will be within spitting distance of the Queen tomorrow as she is visiting the council housing my parents live at and I'm visiting. It seems a waste to be within spitting distance of the queen and not spit on the queen, but it also might upset a bunch of old nurses and firefighters

Considering you've posted this a bunch of times it seems you know what needs to be done

:tipshat:

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

namesake posted:

Well Rupert Reed the XR guy wrote this a few years back...

https://theecologist.org/2014/jun/19/love-immigrants-rather-large-scale-immigration

Just endless bad politics for anyone who isn't middle class and white. No wonder they had to bake in 'no politics please' or they would actually have to confront this shite.

Rupert Read also buys the dumbshit Nassim Taleb argument that GMOs will literally kill the planet, instead of probably being nbd and at worst maybe causing some localised problems if you're real dumb about it.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Niric posted:

This might be of interest to some people here: Momentum are launching a volunteer research project to "collate vital information about opposition candidates - and much more" for the (presumably) upcoming election. If you can spare ~3 hrs a week and want to help get a Labour government, sign up here:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfPBceytBGB9aZWyDMIDJivokm40sa7PuOoufmcPoEp-U383A/viewform
Signed up just now, eagerly awaiting the super serum

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Niric posted:

This is literal text in the first Nolan film isn't it? Something about how evil Liam Neeson "uses economics" to wreck havoc on the city but is thwarted by good capitalist Batman's Dad building a monorail and staving off recession. Which seems like pure centrism.txt: mass transit and infrastructure projects can be good economic stimuli, but only when undertaken by hard-working entrepreneurs rather than the state

Yes and no. Batman as a protagonist over the years has a serious case of the capitalisms however Nolan's look at it is quite critical.

Despite all that investment Gotham is hardly doing well. Meanwhile the villains, several of which are also the main protagonists of their respective movies, seek to attack the established social order including capitalism/the justice system and well established and accepted philosophies, particularly virtue ethics. Perhaps the most overt reference is when the Joker literally burns a massive pile of money - the only people affected by it are the mob bosses who value it, it is rendered powerless.

Batman never really fixes it despite his billions. Eventually he (symbolically) explodes, which you could read that as the old capitalist order dying.

That's quite a simple reading though, they are very good movies from all sorts of perspectives. The cinematography in the Dark Knight is exceptional.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Oct 10, 2019

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Calico Heart posted:

!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!

I will be within spitting distance of the Queen tomorrow as she is visiting the council housing my parents live at and I'm visiting. It seems a waste to be within spitting distance of the queen and not spit on the queen, but it also might upset a bunch of old nurses and firefighters

Ask her why she hasn’t stopped brexit

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Ask her why she hasn’t stopped brexit

Get her on the podcast!!!!!!!

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Ask her to kick Boris in the nuts.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

CyberPingu posted:

Get her on the podcast!!!!!!!

Ask her to fix your washing machine

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


CyberPingu posted:

Get her on the podcast!!!!!!!

My monarch takes advantage of my predicament

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
My Joker hot take is that I'm not paying money to watch the director of the loving Hangover trilogy pander to the kind of dipshit who thinks commenting "Idiocracy is a documentary!" under news articles on Facebook passes for a worldview :v:

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
ask her opinion on monster munch

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Calico Heart posted:

!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!

I will be within spitting distance of the Queen tomorrow as she is visiting the council housing my parents live at and I'm visiting. It seems a waste to be within spitting distance of the queen and not spit on the queen, but it also might upset a bunch of old nurses and firefighters

Give her a brooch she can use as a secret savage putdown

Nosfereefer
Jun 15, 2011

IF YOU FIND THIS POSTER OUTSIDE BYOB, PLEASE RETURN THEM. WE ARE VERY WORRIED AND WE MISS THEM
Steal her crown. Then you're legally a sceptre I think.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Pilchenstein posted:

My Joker hot take is that I'm not paying money to watch the director of the loving Hangover trilogy pander to the kind of dipshit who thinks commenting "Idiocracy is a documentary!" under news articles on Facebook passes for a worldview :v:

you're missing out

Nosfereefer
Jun 15, 2011

IF YOU FIND THIS POSTER OUTSIDE BYOB, PLEASE RETURN THEM. WE ARE VERY WORRIED AND WE MISS THEM

Nosfereefer posted:

Steal her crown. Then you're legally a sceptre I think.

Or a boat. British laws are hard.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Azza Bamboo posted:

ask her opinion on monster munch

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

suck my woke dick posted:

Rupert Read also buys the dumbshit Nassim Taleb argument that GMOs will literally kill the planet, instead of probably being nbd and at worst maybe causing some localised problems if you're real dumb about it.
Yeah that is a dumb take, especially if he really genuinely wants to address the causes of mass migration because a major one of those causes is that people in certain parts of the world don't have enough food to eat and can't raise enough crops to have any kind of livelihood.

love too make people comfortable in the rift valley without any food or growth.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Pilchenstein posted:

My Joker hot take is that I'm not paying money to watch the director of the loving Hangover trilogy pander to the kind of dipshit who thinks commenting "Idiocracy is a documentary!" under news articles on Facebook passes for a worldview :v:

That is indeed a hot take

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

suck my woke dick posted:

Rupert Read also buys the dumbshit Nassim Taleb argument that GMOs will literally kill the planet, instead of probably being nbd and at worst maybe causing some localised problems if you're real dumb about it.

I was briefly in the greens during the dark pre Corbyn years and yeah there are a lot of dumbasses involved. Mostly well meaning but totally alarmist and out of touch middle class types.

My personal favourites were:

- the woman who was near visibly crying because she went to sellafield and saw animals drinking and bathing in the (perfectly safe) water pools around the plant.

- well to do old lady extremely mad about teens on mopeds driving up and down her street (?)

- posho undergrad with the bold policy idea of 'ban all cars' not the worst idea in the world if you invest in public transport etc but this guy hadn't even considered any of the broader implications

Pilchenstein posted:

My Joker hot take is that I'm not paying money to watch the director of the loving Hangover trilogy pander to the kind of dipshit who thinks commenting "Idiocracy is a documentary!" under news articles on Facebook passes for a worldview :v:

I thought this and yesterday I was meant to be watching a different film but the bus was late and we'd have missed the first 20 mins so we saw joker instead and honestly I'm glad we did because it's cool and not at all what all the pundits are criticising it as.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Oct 10, 2019

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ThomasPaine posted:

- the woman who was near visibly crying because she went to sellafield and saw animals drinking and bathing in the (perfectly safe) water pools around the plant.
Did you tell her that she's now dead because she went within 10 miles of an atom and this whole conversation is a dying hallucination?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Don’t actually throw your life away by accosting the Queen in order to look cool on an internet forum.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Calico Heart posted:

!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!

I will be within spitting distance of the Queen tomorrow as she is visiting the council housing my parents live at and I'm visiting. It seems a waste to be within spitting distance of the queen and not spit on the queen, but it also might upset a bunch of old nurses and firefighters
tell her you loved her in the olympics

Nosfereefer
Jun 15, 2011

IF YOU FIND THIS POSTER OUTSIDE BYOB, PLEASE RETURN THEM. WE ARE VERY WORRIED AND WE MISS THEM

Comrade Fakename posted:

Don’t actually throw your life away by accosting the Queen in order to look cool on an internet forum.

Don't listen to this man.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Comrade Fakename posted:

Don’t actually throw your life away by accosting the Queen in order to look cool on an internet forum.
Counterpoint: you should absolutely do this, we'll all think you're cool as gently caress :v:

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Comrade Fakename posted:

Don’t actually throw your life away by accosting the Queen in order to look cool on an internet forum.

Agreed - you have so much to live for, like witnessing the end of human civilisation

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008
Just get a nice big bunch of flowers with a nice big note that just says "Dismiss Boris" in really big letters so the photographers can't miss it.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Szmitten posted:

Just get a nice big bunch of flowers with a nice big note that just says "Dismiss Boris" in really big letters so the photographers can't miss it.

Actual best non-ironic answer

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out
Also make sure it's those flowers that look nice but smell rank

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
please wear a communist themed t shirt of some kind or failing that at least a momentum one

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Hold up a banner with Charles II was Right and bask in the brief celebrity before being deep sixed by MI5.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Szmitten posted:

Just get a nice big bunch of flowers with a nice big note that just says "Dismiss Boris" in really big letters so the photographers can't miss it.

I was gonna go with "eat as much curried broccoli as you can stand and just let nature take its course" but ^this is probably better

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
shout andrew's a nonce at her

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Also don't forget to loudly support the liberation of Hong Kong.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

if your cum is half blood you should probably see a doctor

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1182270732987961344?s=19
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1182291162352308231?s=19

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Guavanaut posted:

His fascism comparisons are poo poo, but that doesn't mean we can't accept people are forced to move around for all kinds of bad reasons and address those reasons that people are forced to move. The people giving their life savings to traffickers for a chance at crossing the Mediterranean on a pool noodle aren't moving 'where they like' and would probably be happier if they didn't have to do that, same with the people bonded to work gangs, and the people they left behind are often the people who can't leave.

That's something that has to be addressed in parallel with making sure that public services are adequate for people moving here because they'd like to.

Smugglers exist because border control is already too tight meaning they have to cross illegally, you tackle the gangs by opening borders not closing them.

There's also two ways of framing the push factors: "people are losing their homes and that's bad" and/Or "those people will try and come here and that's bad" and guess one is pretty bigoted. The article saying that we need to improve the other places does not excuse the xenophobic framing of the issue and the piece is also weak as gently caress at point out that the rest of the world is not inherently poor, it is actively impoverished by the global economic system which needs more than foreign aid to change.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I'm looking forward to the Joker film and it doesn't surprise me that the reaction to a film about how we've hallowed out mental health services and left entire generations poor and with nothing to do gets disingenuous outrage from people who want to talk about anything else.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Didn't expect the government to copy the Majora's Mask memes

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Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!







You need the threat there, but in terms of actually making people’s lives better you can wait 100 years for the big world-changing revolution that improves* your lot, and in the meantime 3-4 generations of boring, compromised moderates have successfully extracted concessions like limited hours working, social security, the NHS, bans on children working in factories etc.

They can only do this because of the implied threat of violent revolution, which is why in a functional progressive movement the moderates and the firebrands work in concert to chip away at the status quo and the cathartic revolution probably never happens.

*Strictly speaking it probably improves someone else’s lot as you personally get killed in the counter-revolution or purged, but that’s people for you, and it is still, overall, progress.**

**Admittedly, this may not matter much to you by that point.

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