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freckle posted:set the oil fields on fire IMO The Kurds already did I think
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Oct 10, 2019 19:11
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goodog posted:So uh, what's going to happen to Kurds and pro-Kurdish political parties in Turkey? The current situation is already horrible for pro-Kurdish political parties, they just pick up the mayors and throw them in jail for "supporting terrorism." That's been going on way before the operation. I'm sure it'll get worse, but it's always been so bad. You can't really protest the military. Erdogan is in an interesting position if he calls snap elections soon. The new system means they need to get 50%+. To kick him out, the opposition needs to piece together CHP (mainstream big-tent opposition), HDP (Kurds + leftists), IYI (anti-Erdogan nationalists), and probably the people who support the Babacan/Davutoglu "new parties" (neoliberals + Never Trümp guys). Ekrem Imamoglu is the right kind of faceless grey slate to run against him and get that weird mess together IMO, but the timing could be right for an election, it's a jingoistic country. Here's Imamoglu supporting the operation https://twitter.com/ekrem_imamoglu/status/1181946924112457729 and here's Imamoglu commemorating the Kurdish/leftist victims of the ISIS bomb attack 4 years ago https://twitter.com/ekrem_imamoglu/status/1182264720100925441 Erdogan used to engage in a peace process and negotiate directly with the PKK, but it would leak votes out of his left (pro-AKP Kurds looking at the HDP as a normal political party they can vote for, not an enemy of the state) and his right (pro-AKP fascists just switching to the MHP). So there won't be a Big Pivot, but I still think it's because of coalitions and politics, not just wanting to see the world burn, in the society Fat Lowtax has issued a correction as of 19:17 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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*shaking his head and jingling the necklace of human fingerbones around his neck* I am ashamed for the first time in my career
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Fat Lowtax posted:
Yeah, he did the big peace process thing because a lot of Kurds were super conservative, but then there was Syria and the KPP aligned parties got super popular and blew up his majority. He's still mad about it.
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saw that video of the syriac christian militia praying before going to fight the FSA. looks like nobody is in any doubt what turkey and the jihadis plan is for the people in region. loving hell, this is horrifying.
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i'm struggling to understand how the syrian government not helping the SDF makes any sense here. turkey are just gonna be allowed to roll in then add all those newly freed jihadis to their proxy ranks? and surely the risk then is that other sleeper cells elsewhere see this as weakness on the state's part and take the opportunity to jump start the fighting again.
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gh0stpinballa posted:i'm struggling to understand how the syrian government not helping the SDF makes any sense here. turkey are just gonna be allowed to roll in then add all those newly freed jihadis to their proxy ranks? and surely the risk then is that other sleeper cells elsewhere see this as weakness on the state's part and take the opportunity to jump start the fighting again. The Syrian army at this point is held together by spit and shoestrings. The Turks would roll over them if Russia isn't willing to back them to the hilt.
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genericnick posted:The Syrian army at this point is held together by spit and shoestrings. The Turks would roll over them if Russia isn't willing to back them to the hilt. this is why i think people itt and elsewhere are right to suspect the US hasn't "walked away" at all but rather turkey is launching an invasion on behalf of the US and pretty soon they'll be talking up a march to damascus
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is why i think people itt and elsewhere are right to suspect the US hasn't "walked away" at all but rather turkey is launching an invasion on behalf of the US and pretty soon they'll be talking up a march to damascus See...I could actually buy that argument, that this is the real plan behind this...if US president wasn't a complete idiot that impulsively listens to foreign dictators like Erdogan, who stroke his ego via a phone call, over his own generals lol.
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is why i think people itt and elsewhere are right to suspect the US hasn't "walked away" at all but rather turkey is launching an invasion on behalf of the US and pretty soon they'll be talking up a march to damascus if that was the case it would be quite a coup for the notoriously leaky Trump White House
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Turkey can barely handle the SDF while maintaining acceptable losses, they're not looking to also take on Assad and the IRGC.
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Turkey only needs a way to get rid of its refugee & salafi problem. They don't want to try and run Syria.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Turkey can barely handle the SDF while maintaining acceptable losses, they're not looking to also take on Assad and the IRGC. and wrt trump also: i'm not saying anyone is thinking straight here, or even that trump is necessarily even aware of this plan. it's pure conjecture on my part ofc but would it really be that crazy? this is hellworld. it could be as simple as a few pentagon goons saying tell our guys to back off and let's see if turkey and salafi pals pass the audition.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Turkey can barely handle the SDF while maintaining acceptable losses, they're not looking to also take on Assad and the IRGC. They absolutely won't go to Damascus. If they wanted to they could have done it years ago and all of NATO would have cheered.
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genericnick posted:They absolutely won't go to Damascus. If they wanted to they could have done it years ago and all of NATO would have cheered. turkey per se don't need to, if all you're looking to do at this point is fuel more chaos to further balkanize the country and have a more reliable/profitable client than the SDF holding NE syria, it's easy to arm up the 1000s of salafis you free from those prisons and send them to stir up poo poo in government held areas again, you can keep doing this at minimal overhead for as lkng as you want. heck they have been. this is just the natural extention, turkey give you an extra step removed from the dirt.
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I mean as far as I can see the AKP's motivation here is that they are 1) mad that their great plan of a permanent majority with conservative Kurds blew up in their face 2) stirring up nationalist favour to paper over internal dissent and policy failures 3) get rid of the refugees.
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President Dealz can't broker a peace with Turkey, after he caused their invasion? SAY IT AIN'T SO! Too bad he gutted the diplomatic side of the govt. like a hot knife through butter.
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1182290211369340929?s=20 Qatar is backing it's BFF Turkey. Turkey has historical hatred towards the YPG, but it's notable in recent years that Saudi Arabia and the UAE have been pledging funds to develop the parts of Syria held by the SDF. It makes Bibi's statements about the invasion make a bit more sense too, as it's not just for easy political points or a desire to see a Zionist friendly Kurdistan. The SDF was probably seen as a counterweight to the Turkey-Qatar bloc that the other Gulf monarchies and their Israeli allies have been in a spat with. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Turkey only needs a way to get rid of its refugee & salafi problem. They don't want to try and run Syria.  Idk there's still a good bit of Ottoman Syria outside of their control
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this after hearing him bleat non stop for years about how great the Kurds are and how we need to not abandon our allies in Syria makes my blood boil. Jesus what a little sniveling worm. thank gently caress I left his garbage state years ago. if I see him on tv talking about how much he supports my comrades I’m going to throw a brick at the screen
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russian pranksters saving us all one prank at a time, the real woke zoo crew
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Atrocious Joe posted:
drat the ottomans got a good spread for rome 2 DeI Heavy infantry from Greece, horse skirmishers from numidia and skythia, shock infantry from thrace and Syrian war elephants. They're ready to take on Rome imo once they get thorax reforms
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Whaat? I thought Dear Leader would crash their economy if they were naughty
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freckle posted:set the oil fields on fire IMO 
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So this is what it feels like to live through the collapse of an empire
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This does make the new Modern Warfare way more loving funny.
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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1182542260812075008?s=19 Tic for tac?
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