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Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
How in the hell do you get 23k deep into utilities.

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Zenithe posted:

How in the hell do you get 23k deep into utilities.

Step 1: Be an aspirational Gen Xer

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
Wait...you have 2x investment properties, 2x car loans, 3x credit cards, 100k in debt and...no budget?

Sigh.

quote:

Ms Jacobs suggested selling one or both of the properties.

But letting go of the properties was hard for Miriam and Joe. They decided to sell one and managed to break even.

"So to me, it was more like 'what have I worked all this life for? I haven't even got anything to show for it'," Miriam said.

"I'm renting, I've been working all my life, those two investment properties were the only things that I could say 'well at least I've got something!'.

But...you don't have something, you don't own them. Christ people are stupid.

Halo14 fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Oct 10, 2019

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Don Dongington posted:

Step 1: Be an loving idiot

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Zenithe posted:

How in the hell do you get 23k deep into utilities.
don't pay your utilities

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Their investment properties were one bedroom apartments in the loving outer suburbs

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009


yessssssss bring on the idpol wedges :unsmigghh:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
HELP I NEED SOMEBODY

Labor must be prepared to disappoint its supporters by avoiding “manufactured parliamentary tests” and helping to pass Morrison government legislation, its deputy leader, Richard Marles, suggests.

In a draft of a speech to be delivered at the John Curtin research centre on Thursday, Marles has argued the opposition’s “clumsy” attempts to “walk the tightrope” on the Adani coalmine left blue-collar workers feeling abandoned at the last election and it must take a more pragmatic approach even if it risks disappointing “purists”.

Marles is one of a number of right-faction Labor spokesmen and women to argue Labor must position itself as the party of “aspiration”, echoing calls by its communications spokeswoman, Michelle Rowland, on Thursday for Labor to “advance aspiration and better the lives of working people”, and unite in the face of public division over key policies.

The imminent review of Labor’s 2019 election performance and decision to scrap all its policy commitments pending the review has lead to an outbreak of competing views, with revenue-raising measures and climate policies the subject of most public debate.

Marles has argued that Labor has to “be prepared to ignore and avoid and look past the manufactured parliamentary tests, the stunts and the wedge politics the Liberals spend so much of their time constructing for us”.

“We know that sometimes that will hurt in the short term, sometimes it will sting our passionate supporters who might prefer a pyrrhic parliamentary victory. But so be it. That is pain we will have to wear.

“Because none of the people who count on Labor governments benefit if we all die in the first ditch the Liberals dig for us.”

In July Labor was criticised for passing the Morrison government’s income tax package, including elements which overwhelmingly benefited rich voters.

This week the former Labor leader, Bill Shorten, accepted responsibility for the election loss on 18 May and singled out Labor’s election policy on franking credits as a particular problem for the party.

However, the ALP president, Wayne Swan, has urged Labor to stay the course on economic policies that combat inequality.

Marles said in the draft speech that the Coalition won aspirational votes because Labor had attempted to quarantine its traditional base and offered “handouts rather than hope”.

He warned the party would not win the next election “simply relying on a big spending agenda” or “running on the policies of the past in glossy brochures promising a solution to everything for everyone”.

He was “no exception” to the party’s clumsiness on the handling of coal – a reference to his description of the decline of the global coal market as “a good thing” – adding that the Adani debate left “rock solid Labor voters as collateral damage”.

“We agonised over every word during press conferences on what at its heart was the business case of a private mining venture,” he said.

In her speech to a communications conference in Melbourne, Rowland suggested winning the next election was a “hard, but achievable, task”.

“We will need to be creative and ambitious in our vision for the country while displaying the pragmatism the collective public conscience seeks in times of uncertainty,” she said.

“It will also be important to remain true to our values while finding new ways of harnessing them to advance aspiration and better the lives of working people.”

On Wednesday the opposition climate change spokesman, Mark Butler, rejected a proposal by his frontbench colleague Joel Fitzgibbon to offer the government “a political and policy settlement” by adopting the upper limit of the Coalition’s target, a 28% reduction in emissions by 2030.

On Thursday frontbench MP Matt Keogh gave qualified support for a deal on an emissions reduction target for this term of government, suggesting Labor could then reassess ahead of the next election depending on how successful the Coalition was at reducing emissions by 2022.

“If you provide that certainty now about where we are aiming over this term of government, then the approach we take at the next election will be based on how successful the government has been on the government’s own policy as opposed to having competing policies over the course of this term,” Keogh told the Australian.

“Let’s not get in the way and continue to haggle with them for the next two and a half years.”

Fitzgibbon said emissions had grown every year for the past four years, but the prime minister, Scott Morrison, “deflects questions about that by talking ad nauseam about Labor’s more ambitious targets”.

“So I say, let’s pull back … Let’s put the pressure on him to turn them around … to fulfil his Paris commitments … and in three years, it would leave us in a better place to build on something more ambitious,” he told Sky News.

Butler told Guardian Australia Labor remained committed to implementing the principles of the Paris agreement, to keep global warming well below 2C and pursue efforts around 1.5C.

“We will have a mid-century target of zero emissions and medium-term targets which are consistent with the agreement – and the government’s target, which was developed by Tony Abbott with no expert advice, is fundamentally inconsistent with the Paris agreement,” he said.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
This is just a manufactured test!

*planet melts*

cohsae
Jun 19, 2015

The ALP will never win another election

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
"We have to appeal to the average moderate Australian by taking more conservative policy to elections" is idiotic but I can at least see how Labor found itself thinking this way.

I genuinely don't understand the rationale for advocating for passing government legislation while they are in opposition. What voters are going to support this? Who is this for? Does the Labor party seriously think there are Liberal voters who like Liberal policies being passed, but will vote Labor because they think the Labor party deserves to be thrown a bone for helping them out?

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

cohsae posted:

The ALP will never win another election

More importantly, it doesn't actually matter if they do anymore. They've become captive to the liberal idiots on the right who are destined to follow the Democrats, Canadian Libs and Blairite Labour dickheads into the pointless decorum quagmire that basically guarantees no action on climate change, wealth inequality or structural disadvantage. Whatever dim hope there ever was of a Labor govt unfucking things in any meaningful way is pretty much gone, thanks for playing.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Look if we have to pass in lock step legislation saying that poor people should be used as road ballast, that’s just pain we all have to wear, we’ll just have to make that sacrifice no matter how much it hurts us

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Bill Shorten was the last good Labor Leader.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
I'm really looking forward to tomorrow's presser by a Labor frontbencher calling for the CMFMEU to be be deregistered and that "actually work choices was okay we're sorry".

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Anidav posted:

Bill Shorten was the last good Labor Leader.

That’s a weird way of spelling Gough Whitlam

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Anidav posted:

Jack Lang was the last good Labor Leader.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





If Ben Chifley hadn't died for another ten years or so, Australia would be a far better place right now

Venomous fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Oct 10, 2019

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



why does anybody listen to richard marles? when marles was opposition immigration minister he got behind boat turnbacks and it didnt do poo poo to stop labor being attacked by the lnp over it

quote:

The opposition's immigration spokesman Richard Marles conceded that the turnbacks policy Labor opposed in Government had "had an impact" in reducing the flow of boats from Indonesia to practically nil.

he was also in favour of honouring the loving border patrol on war memorials. hes got one move, roll over and get owned. lets put this idiot on the front bench :bravo:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Yeah I dunno why Albanese picked him over Chalmers besides :decorum:

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
dick marles

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

hambeet posted:

Good points all.

I guess his perception, and mine too though I'm very much removed from the US, is that in the US there seems to be wider acceptance of protests and their importance compared to here where nearly everyone gets very angry if they are made late to work / home.

It could just be the result of lovely media here too I guess.

Ask him how the leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement are going.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

why don’t they just join the LNP? it’s more receptive to their ideology and they actually win elections, which means better paychecks. doesn’t make sense to me

Dire Lemming
Jan 19, 2016
If you don't coddle Nazis flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

BBJoey posted:

why don’t they just join the LNP? it’s more receptive to their ideology and they actually win elections, which means better paychecks. doesn’t make sense to me

This way they have something to yell in protest as they're dragged to the guillotine.

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

why does anybody listen to richard marles? when marles was opposition immigration minister he got behind boat turnbacks and it didnt do poo poo to stop labor being attacked by the lnp over it

He's a Sky News presenter on the Australian equivalent of Hannity and Colmes. Not like he's going to be decent..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyne_%26_Marles

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
Some dogshit journalist demanding to know if this rad kid gets welfare payments

https://twitter.com/cloe_read/status/1182085605657702401

The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Oct 10, 2019

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

The Peccadillo posted:

Some dogshit journalist demanding to know if this rad kid gets welfare payments

https://twitter.com/cloe_read/status/1182085605657702401
don’t read the replies

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Much better thread title, thank you

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Hmm a Courier Mail Journalist with a DW watch and a rose gold iPhone X asking about welfare when his employer pays no corporate tax.

:commissar:

Stevefin
Sep 30, 2013

At this rate I feel we unironically need a violent revolution to see any change on a basic level. just how hosed up things seem to have got quickly

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Stevefin posted:

At this rate I feel we unironically need a violent revolution to see any change on a basic level. just how hosed up things seem to have got quickly

I hope somebody else does it though, I'm kinda busy.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

hey I've never noticed this before, probably because I rarely see it in print or otherwise, but is the font that the courier mail uses for its title the same font you see nazis using in WW2 movies?

hambeet fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 10, 2019

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

hmm I think it's called gothic which is probably just a very Germanic font anyway.

interesting call Courier Mail.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

hambeet posted:

hmm I think it's called gothic which is probably just a very Germanic font anyway.

interesting call Courier Mail.

:goonsay: it's actually called Fraktur

somebodyelse
Jul 20, 2013
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/10/mining-firms-worked-kill-off-climate-action-australia-ex-pm-kevin-rudd

Welp

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

We should write stern letters about this.

somebodyelse
Jul 20, 2013
Ain't nobody got the coffer deep enough to fight the rot, if there even was one. Surprised there was still something inside of me left to be so deeply offended and saddened

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

It's cool and good that big corporations can force us to destroy the country. Now let me poo poo on some protestors.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Stevefin posted:

At this rate I feel we unironically need a violent revolution to see any change on a basic level. just how hosed up things seem to have got quickly

A lot of people need to die :shrug:

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Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
I wonder if this is XR related. Richmond station 5 mins ago.



Yeast fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Oct 10, 2019

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