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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:
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Oct 10, 2019 17:49
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Militarily: The US could probably have contained China for another 20 years or so if it weren’t for the GWOT/OIF. If Bush has done a pacific pivot then, the geopolitics could maybe have worked out until the US/JP/SK economies ran out of gas trying to make it work. Instead, the PLAN achieved technical parity with the USN in the 2010s (as a direct result of the shift to counterterrorism) and the Chinese economy continues to grow despite a contractionary trade war with the US.
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Throatwarbler posted:Thats it. People become richer and then they buy more stuff. Maybe some of the stuff comes from other countries but thats not super important. i like wages going up. its good for labor to get more of the surplus value they generate. i'm saying that won't work under china's current model of being a low wage workshop for western capital
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Oct 10, 2019 17:50
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China is moving away from low wage sweat shop model, thats what made Trump/Navarro/Liggthizer so upset.
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Oct 10, 2019 17:54
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mila kunis posted:i dont know about the chinese economy continuing to grow. if they get shut out of exporting certain things to certain markets, they're going to have to resort to domestic demand which would mean wage increases. but lower wages (than western labor) is what launched their growth in the first place, so what's the way forward? Well there are other markets beside the US (look at the 5g issue btw) and it is unclear if the US is willing or able to shut out China entirely. Chinese growth may trend downward but st the same time the US has its own pressures.
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Oct 10, 2019 17:55
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whatever7 posted:China is moving away from low wage sweat shop model, thats what made Trump/Navarro/Liggthizer so upset. Lol
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Oct 10, 2019 18:18
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"nazis bad" doesn't really hold that much sway in Asia, same with western-style racism. Thailand had a "Hitler Fiend Chicken" outlet, Taiwan has a mall with the n-word in the title, and people in South Korea and China think that the stereotypes of Jews dominating finance and being clanish are good
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Oct 10, 2019 18:19
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 10, 2019 18:21
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After 2011, China began an extensive blue water naval development in two stages: first, an iterative technical design stage of increasingly advanced ships and then a numerical buildup stage once it judged it had achieved technological equivalency with American designs. the Type 055 destroyer (for example) is technologically as advanced as any of its Western equivalents, and the PLAN has already commissioned six of them, with maybe two dozen planned in total. That’s a serious blue water surface fleet. In the same time period, we built three Zumwalts to shell goatherds.
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Oct 10, 2019 18:29
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whats wrong with that statement
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Oct 10, 2019 18:30
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:After 2011, China began an extensive blue water naval development in two stages: first, an iterative technical design stage of increasingly advanced ships and then a numerical buildup stage once it judged it had achieved technological equivalency with American designs. the Type 055 destroyer (for example) is technologically as advanced as any of its Western equivalents, and the PLAN has already commissioned six of them, with maybe two dozen planned in total. That’s a serious blue water surface fleet. In the same time period, we built three Zumwalts to shell goatherds. isn't the us navy also in a lovely state due to getting the same corporate neoliberal overworking/undermanning/crapification treatment usually reserved for the private sector. thats what resulted in those big collisions recently iirc
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Oct 10, 2019 18:33
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mila kunis posted:whats wrong with that statement It caused a stack overflew in his racist mind.
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Oct 10, 2019 18:39
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mila kunis posted:isn't the us navy also in a lovely state due to getting the same corporate neoliberal overworking/undermanning/crapification treatment usually reserved for the private sector. thats what resulted in those big collisions recently iirc lol the Navy had a huge orgy at the Manila Hotel that "involved" Douglas MacArthur's paraphernalia because their logistics were handled by this Malaysian Fat Leonard that was bribing admirals left and right with hookers and booze
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Oct 10, 2019 18:46
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China is moving away from the sweatshop model because they've industrialized enough that they can outsource their labor needs to other countries like Bangladesh or Vietnam.
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Oct 10, 2019 18:47
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:After 2011, China began an extensive blue water naval development in two stages: first, an iterative technical design stage of increasingly advanced ships and then a numerical buildup stage once it judged it had achieved technological equivalency with American designs. the Type 055 destroyer (for example) is technologically as advanced as any of its Western equivalents, and the PLAN has already commissioned six of them, with maybe two dozen planned in total. That’s a serious blue water surface fleet. In the same time period, we built three Zumwalts to shell goatherds. no having numbers and having decisive advantage are not synonymous. Vincent Van Goatse has issued a correction as of 18:52 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 18:49
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get that OUT of my face posted:"nazis bad" doesn't really hold that much sway in Asia, same with western-style racism. Thailand had a "Hitler Fiend Chicken" outlet, Taiwan has a mall with the n-word in the title, and people in South Korea and China think that the stereotypes of Jews dominating finance and being clanish are good quote:get that OUT of my face
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Oct 10, 2019 19:07
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get that OUT of my face posted:Taiwan has a mall with the n-word in the title loving excuse me?
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Oct 10, 2019 19:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol the Navy had a huge orgy at the Manila Hotel that "involved" Douglas MacArthur's paraphernalia because their logistics were handled by this Malaysian Fat Leonard that was bribing admirals left and right with hookers and booze Tired: Clinton's cigar Wired: MacArthur's pipe
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Oct 10, 2019 19:17
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Lightning Knight posted:loving excuse me? Also a lot of Korean products feature racist caricatures. It's a thing.
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Oct 10, 2019 19:26
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https://twitter.com/lochiedoesstuff/status/1181564972091863042?s=20
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Oct 10, 2019 19:46
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don't get me wrong, i'm not excusing the person in the videoEifert Posting posted:Also a lot of Korean products feature racist caricatures. It's a thing.
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Oct 10, 2019 20:13
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My favorite problematic themed Chinese junk food.  It's also called "Singles' Dog Food" to insult its customers.
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Oct 10, 2019 22:09
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 10, 2019 22:58
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Quintessential 80s style.
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Oct 10, 2019 23:06
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 10, 2019 23:15
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sincx posted:What's the likelihood of anything Viacom-related (e.g. Paramount Pictures movies) being banned in China? i'm going to laugh when legendary pictures only releases dune in china and refuses to let it screen in the US
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Oct 10, 2019 23:16
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Lightning Knight posted:loving excuse me? Not to be all "Taiwan #1" but I've never heard of it too so I would like to know more
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Oct 10, 2019 23:26
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GoutPatrol posted:Not to be all "Taiwan #1" but I've never heard of it too so I would like to know more I'm curious but i am extremely not googling it.
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Oct 10, 2019 23:35
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Throatwarbler posted:Thats it. People become richer and then they buy more stuff. Maybe some of the stuff comes from other countries but thats not super important. erm
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Oct 10, 2019 23:39
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Oh no
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Oct 10, 2019 23:43
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Mantis42 posted:Oh no Those look like spinner rims.
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Oct 10, 2019 23:45
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The Chinese under it literally says "King of Black People" so it's not a mistranslation.
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Oct 11, 2019 00:56
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I always found folks' interpretation of how their race is treated in foreign countries super interesting, so if people seemed open to talking about it when I stayed in Georgia and Korea and when I visited other countries I did ask. I knew a bunch of African Americans visiting Georgia (the country) and living there the same time as me. Universally they said that they didn't have people watching them like a hawk in stores like they experienced in the States, but often talked about a lot of inappropriate touching and were various states of weirded out about it. They felt like folks treated them as a curiosity and had mixed opinions on it. Most folk I talked to seemed to think Georgia was less openly discriminatory than the States. One lady in particular told me it was the only part of her life she felt like she wasn't facing daily discrimination. I knew a Taiwanese Canadian who was cool with Georgia, said he didn't experience anything he considered discriminatory, but an Australian Vietnamese dude who was super upset about being called "Chinelli" (you can guess what this means) after being very clearly insistent that he is Australian and ethnically Vietnamese. The only black person I really knew in Korea was a South African who was super positive and probably wouldn't have talked about feeling discriminated against even if she felt she had been, but she did shave her head and said folks were weird about that. I'm not sure if she knew, but the place that hired her had to be talked out of hiring a white candidate from South Africa that was less qualified. I knew a couple Jewish folks living in Korea who said that they clearly saw evidence people around them bought into a lot of stereotypes about Jewish folks but it wasn't seen negatively. They both seemed very neutral about it. There was a large number (for Korea) of Indians living in my building in Korea and the few I spent any time talking to were very vocal about feeling aggressively discriminated against. I didn't know any Southeast Asians but discrimination against them in Korea is notorious. Koreans are weird about Gyopos (ethnic Koreans who did not grow up in Korea) and as an observer they seemed to get discriminated against actively, particularly in the workplace. I've heard similar things from folks who lived in China for some time, and Hong Kongers are famous for disliking Mainlanders. Meanwhile I was a white dude, so sometimes people said anti-american poo poo to me - which I generally agreed with. I remember a Georgian dude who was an Olympic level wrestler said "gently caress Bush" to me trying to piss me off and I told him if he wants real cred he should be saying "gently caress Reagan." A couple Korean businesses refused to serve me, but they might just have not wanted to deal with the language barrier. I never experienced any active or passive discrimination in Georgia, Russia, the Mainland, Taipei or Hong Kong that I recognized.
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Oct 11, 2019 01:22
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I have been watching some youtube videos of Taiwanese working in mainland and talk about lives in mainland. I found them very interesting. I also have come acrossed some Malay Chinese youtubers who talk and act like very normal Chinese Chinese. I also find their lives very interesting.
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Oct 11, 2019 01:45
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Mantis42 posted:Oh no you know my initial reaction to this was abject horror and disbelief but in fairness the US has a major sports team named a slur so you know what glass houses I guess.
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Oct 11, 2019 01:46
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 11, 2019 01:50
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Oct 11, 2019 01:57
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Also: there's a lot of Osama bin Laden memorabilia in China.
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Oct 11, 2019 02:06
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double post
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Oct 11, 2019 02:14
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Mantis42 posted:Also: there's a lot of Osama bin Laden memorabilia in China. A lot might be a strong word to use here, bud
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Oct 11, 2019 02:29
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whatever7 posted:I have been watching some youtube videos of Taiwanese working in mainland and talk about lives in mainland. I found them very interesting. Uncle Petrov is an interesting case
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