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Mahoning posted:C'mon, you're not this naive, are you? Naive, no. But given that Fox did an investigation and said they didn't really find anything to substantiate, I guess until his victims press charges, what are we supposed to do?
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Ershalim posted:Because I hadn't seen that white supremacist symbol before, I went digging a little. So if you're interested: Nice of them to just name themselves after a Secret Nazi Counter Operation at the end of World War II just really pointing it out! 
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Can racists please co opt those "mom, dad, two kids, one dog" stickers on the backs of minivans please.
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Riptor posted:yeah my boys and i were all drinking flagons of mead the other day and getting rune tattoos because vikings are such a cultural fad This, but unironically.  skylined! posted:Hard to tell if you're being serious here but uhhhhh at least click the slideshow friend. Context is the only thing that matters. Nerds get viking-themed tattoos all the time just because they're nerds. If you see some dude in an Amon Amarth shirt with a rune tattoo and some redhat dude with a rune tattoo, it's not the rune tattoo that's setting off alarms about which one is a white supremacist. teen witch posted:
That just kind of makes your boyfriend ridiculous and paranoid. This is not a thing that people notice or care about. Neo Rasa posted:Fascists and white supremacist hate groups have been doing this poo poo with runes regularly since like the late 90s (and surely earlier on a less consistent scale) come on. They've been doing it with celtic symbols for even longer, but no one is seeing some dork's "my great great grandpa was from Ireland" celtic cross tattoo and shaking in their boots about whether or not they're a Nazi.
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This is an extremely silly way of thinking, considering that national socialism is currently a cultural fad
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twice burned ice posted:How is PG&E still allowed to exist? It's not in PG&E's service area and it started by a highway, so it was probably a cigarette. It also doesn't matter who stats these fires - they're a feature of the ecosystem that's just being amplified by climate change.
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teen witch posted:There is an entire culture and history behind those symbols that have zero to do with white supremacy, and it’s real hosed up that racists get to steal culture while decrying diversity and multiculturalism. You’re absolutely right but it’s also real hard to turn back once symbols have been coopted, and people should practice skepticism and critical examination when encountering them in the wild. This shouldn’t be controversial.
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teen witch posted:There is an entire culture and history behind those symbols that have zero to do with white supremacy, and it’s real hosed up that racists get to steal culture while decrying diversity and multiculturalism. I mean yea I'm sorry for the small slice of the pie that genuinely is some Scandinavian type who has an actual cultural connection to runes and all but it's not really a 'don't let racists have them' thing when there's been a 60-ish year campaign to tell racist white freaks that the runes are theirs and now chances are yea if you see some dude with runes marking him up, especially these specific ones literally used by nazis as code, that's a guy who you wanna give a heads up to people if he's hanging around outside the synagogue.
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teen witch posted:There is an entire culture and history behind those symbols that have zero to do with white supremacy, and it’s real hosed up that racists get to steal culture while decrying diversity and multiculturalism. Its not really going to be possible to reform most of these symbols, much like the people moaning about 'reclaiming' the swastika or the Confederate Flag.
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My dude, getting a runic tattoo does not make you a nazi, but it may be an indicator that you are one as anyone who has paid any attention to American nazis can tell you. This is a strange fight to pick.
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teen witch posted:There is an entire culture and history behind those symbols that have zero to do with white supremacy, and it’s real hosed up that racists get to steal culture while decrying diversity and multiculturalism. But how will the internet know how woke I am unless I start lumping in neo-pagans with neo-nazis?
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teen witch posted:There is an entire culture and history behind those symbols that have zero to do with white supremacy, and it’s real hosed up that racists get to steal culture while decrying diversity and multiculturalism. I dont get why people are just able to say "this means this now" and people just kind of go along with it. It really does feel like a lot of things are just defined now by social media and how many retweets or likes by influencers it gets. If enough people just retweet something and its deemed to hit meme status it just seems to mean that new thing now cause thats the context people see it in. Not sure that applies to this particular case but that almost seems like how it works in a lot of cases. Kale fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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shut the gently caress up nazi edit: excuse me: shut the gently caress up, inexplicably pro-nazi troll
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Kale posted:I dont get why people are just able to say "this means this now" and people just kind of go along with it. It really does feel like a lot of things are just defined now by social media and how many retweets or likes by influencers it gets. If enough people just retweet something and its deemed to hit meme status it just seeme to mean that new thing now cause thats the context people see it in. Not sure that applies to this particular case but that almost seems like how it works in a lot of cases. Its almost like symbols and also language change in meaning once there is enough popular inertia behind it Strange.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Can racists please co opt those "mom, dad, two kids, one dog" stickers on the backs of minivans please. I straight up saw one of those the other day where they were guns instead of stick figures that said 'the gun family', so we are probably already on our way there.
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CommieGIR posted:Its not really going to be possible to reform most of these symbols, much like the people moaning about 'reclaiming' the swastika or the Confederate Flag. The confederate flag from jump street was racist. The swastika, much like runes, are not. The two are worth reclaiming. The Dixie rag isn’t fit to poo poo on.
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Munkeymon posted:It's not in PG&E's service area and it started by a highway, so it was probably a cigarette. I wasn't blaming PG&E for the current fire, but for telling the thousands of folks whose power they're cutting to figure it out. PG&E is cutting off power because their negligent maintenance has drastically increased the risk of their equipment starting fires. In a sane world, the company would be placed under state control as they obviously cannot be trusted to perform their essential function safely.
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Telsa Cola posted:Its almost like symbols and also language change in meaning once there is enough popular inertia behind it It didnt historically happen at the speed we are seeing it nowadays though
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Kale posted:I dont get why people are just able to say "this means this now" and people just kind of go along with it. It really does feel like a lot of things are just defined now by social media and how many retweets or likes by influencers it gets. If enough people just retweet something and its deemed to hit meme status it just seems to mean that new thing now cause thats the context people see it in. Not sure that applies to this particular case but that almost seems like how it works in a lot of cases. do you think this is some new thing? Like, congrats on being white/non-Jewish enough to not have to know 'oh that dude with the runes on his arm may try to bash my skull in' but this isn't ~SoCiAl MeDiA~ doing this
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Kale posted:I dont get why people are just able to say "this means this now" and people just kind of go along with it. It really does feel like a lot of things are just defined now by social media and how many retweets or likes by influencers it gets. If enough people just retweet something and its deemed to hit meme status it just seems to mean that new thing now cause thats the context people see it in. Not sure that applies to this particular case but that almost seems like how it works in a lot of cases. iPad, iPhone? iJust dont know anymore!
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Speaking of Celtic symbols, here in Dublin we had these laundry vans into the late 80s
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teen witch posted:The confederate flag from jump street was racist. The swastika, much like runes, are not. The two are worth reclaiming. The Dixie rag isn’t fit to poo poo on. I think this is right but I am also having a hard time envisioning what would have to be done for me to see a white guy with a swastika (even a swastika that is not the specific tilted Nazi version) and not instantly think "racist." Nordic runes have been co-opted by white supremacists for a similar length of time. In a country with a Norse cultural legacy I wouldn't think so much of it but if I see a white dude with runes on his arms in the USA I am turning the other direction.
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teen witch posted:The confederate flag from jump street was racist. The swastika, much like runes, are not. The two are worth reclaiming. The Dixie rag isn’t fit to poo poo on. The Swastika is not going be to be recovered for a long rear end time and rightfully so since its still actively used as a symbol of Nazism.
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Kale posted:I dont get why people are just able to say "this means this now" and people just kind of go along with it. It really does feel like a lot of things are just defined now by social media and how many retweets or likes by influencers it gets. If enough people just retweet something and its deemed to hit meme status it just seems to mean that new thing now cause thats the context people see it in. Not sure that applies to this particular case but that almost seems like how it works in a lot of cases.  Amazing that a crappy young adult book has a better understanding of language use than forums poster Kale.
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The Super-Id posted:My dude, getting a runic tattoo does not make you a nazi, but it may be an indicator that you are one as anyone who has paid any attention to American nazis can tell you. This is a strange fight to pick. the solution is to get the runic tattoo on your rear end, so that by the time anyone gets to see it you'll be close enough to them to be able to explain, or you'll be extremely drunk
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Kale posted:It didnt historically happen at the speed we are seeing it nowadays though Communication did not historically happen at the speed we are seeing it nowadays.
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Telsa Cola posted:The Swastika is not going be to be recovered for a long rear end time and rightfully so since its still actively used as a symbol of Nazism. Basically the only way to get away with it is to be Asian and bald and wearing an orange robe.
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FuturePastNow posted:the solution is to get the runic tattoo on your rear end, so that by the time anyone gets to see it you'll be close enough to them to be able to explain, or you'll be extremely drunk Or in prison I guess
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twice burned ice posted:I wasn't blaming PG&E for the current fire, but for telling the thousands of folks whose power they're cutting to figure it out. Ah, I assumed you were talking about the LA suburb - my bad
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*me in the 90's getting called a kike with my friends by some dude covered in totally normal rune tats* "Guys come on let's check social media to be sure if this guy is really a bad guy or if he's just a norse enthusiast who happens to also hate us jews, we just have no way of knowing otherwise"
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Double post because my internet was wierd Also Runes are a Norse thing, and Nazis have co-opted them, and Norse people have pushed back All of these things can be true at once, but the loving Nazi who talks about being a "Werewolf" is definitely a loving Nazi, I mean 
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Xombie posted:That just kind of makes your boyfriend ridiculous and paranoid. This is not a thing that people notice or care about. This is probably true for most people, but speaking as someone with a lot of tattoos and from a part of the country where racist skinheads are definitely real, it is something I would notice. I have a friend who has runes tattooed on his knuckles, he's a wonderful person but has a general skinhead vibe to him and wants to get them covered up because he's been mistaken for being a racist one too many times by people who see the rune tattoos and think he's also a lovely racist.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Speaking of Celtic symbols, here in Dublin we had these laundry vans into the late 80s Did they only do the whites?
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Casey Finnigan posted:I think this is right but I am also having a hard time envisioning what would have to be done for me to see a white guy with a swastika (even a swastika that is not the specific tilted Nazi version) and not instantly think "racist." A loooong time lol. Runes are still not the same as they amount to the same coded symbology as co opting the OK symbol. Yes they were used by the Nazis but as mentioned above it was in association with all the weird occultism going on in the SS. They are a red flag just like having that one haircut but the point is to then look at the rest of the context. Macklemore and Richard Spencer had similar hair but the context makes it abundantly easy to tell what's up. At a heavy metal show if I see a dude with runes I'll next look to see if he also has other racist poo poo on him, or if he is hanging out with the Nazis. If he's not, he's probably just a dude into Norse stuff, but he then mentions Odinism, or any standard racist poo poo, there is no longer any doubt and the runes now confirm it.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anyone into Norse poo poo is either a Nazi or a neo-pagan and both of those groups are insufferable. I'm into Norse poo poo and I'm neither  Not into it enough to get a runic tattoo mind you. I'm not Norse.
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