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Sampatrick posted:This is your brain on Gabe Newell. Any company that competes with steam the way that, y'know, marketplaces typically compete irl is actually the real monopoly, because you can no longer continue to use just one service for literally every game on the PC. Similarly, the monopolies of Google and Facebook are good, actually, because it's so convenient and convenience is all that matters at the end of the day. To be fair, consumers aren't seeing the benefits of this competition. Epic's been stellar with devs, and really devs alone.
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Tackling the monopolistic marketplace by acquiring a monopoly on product.
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Oct 8, 2019 17:49
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Can I buy EGS games from any number of online retailers, shopping around for the best price? No? Hmm.
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Oct 8, 2019 17:49
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Going to be honest: I just like playing videogames, and I don't really care which logo I need to right click on in my quick-access bar to load it up.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:33
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hey. there's an epic games thread and a steam thread and whatever else, take your five month old rehashed zings there
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Oct 8, 2019 18:53
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i hate egs purely because of how many threads end up arguing for pages over it
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Oct 8, 2019 18:54
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Gamerofthegame posted:hey. thats fair i for one am excited for any potential fantasy pdx game because that sounds sick af to me
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Oct 8, 2019 18:57
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Is there a reason I should hate Epic Games? Like I was mildly annoyed that I had to download another launcher to play Goose Game, but you just do it once and then it's fine basically.
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PittTheElder posted:Is there a reason I should hate Epic Games? They are keeping games off GoG. Which means fewer DRM-free games for everyone.
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Oct 8, 2019 20:00
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EGS is never going to be able to kill of steam. But it could easily kill off smaller resellers like Humble Bundle, GoG, Gamersgate and others that don't have the money to survive being choked out.
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PittTheElder posted:Is there a reason I should hate Epic Games? Like I was mildly annoyed that I had to download another launcher to play Goose Game, but you just do it once and then it's fine basically. You? I dunno, are you a third-worlder who doesn't have access to a credit card for purchases because EGS doesn't have alternative payment options like Steam does, and is probably going to slack on working on them considering they can't even get basic store functionalities like a shopping cart working to an acceptable level, much less commit to their own roadmap for a functional storefront and backend system to challenge Valve? If not, then eh, maybe ask around. As for the third-worlder thing, I am one, as it happens, so I think I'll stay livid at a company limiting my options for buying games I can actually afford and wanted to play, on top of all the seething anger at being treated like a second-class customer on a market that's ostensibly about reaching out to as many potential customers as possible using the power of the internet.
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EGS occupies the same market as Steam, which is a different market from Humble, GoG, Gamersgate, etc. EGS won't ever kill Steam, obviously, but at the same time that doesn't mean it won't force Steam to renegotiate with developers in order to convince them to not take exclusivity agreements. This is obviously good for consumers, because it means more money is being spent on the development of games, and its also good for developers because it means that they can now negotiate higher the revenue they get from sale of products. Also, EGS definitely does offer alternative payment options.
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Oct 8, 2019 20:23
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Hey, we got the officially correct opinion re: nationalizing a single games marketplace, let's get on with discussing why Victoria is the only good Paradox franchise.
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Oct 8, 2019 20:28
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victoria correctly models that capitalism is bad but easy while socialism is hard but good. this is why state capitalism is the best economic policy in v2 - theres nothing better than when bad and easy meets hard and good.
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Beamed posted:Hey, we got the officially correct opinion re: nationalizing a single games marketplace, let's get on with discussing why Crusader Kings 2 is the only good Paradox franchise.
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Sampatrick posted:EGS occupies the same market as Steam, which is a different market from Humble, GoG, Gamersgate, etc. EGS won't ever kill Steam, obviously, but at the same time that doesn't mean it won't force Steam to renegotiate with developers in order to convince them to not take exclusivity agreements. This is obviously good for consumers, because it means more money is being spent on the development of games, and its also good for developers because it means that they can now negotiate higher the revenue they get from sale of products. If only capitalism ever had consumers' best interests at heart; though, importantly, I am not saying you are wrong per se, but I will say that this does not actually mean that game developers are necessarily going to see higher revenue from the sale of their products. I do reject the assertion that any company, no matter what they produce, receiving higher revenue for the sale of their products means by definition the consumers will see any sort of benefit. I mean, look at the pharma industry. They receive incredible amounts of profit for their products, particularly in the United States, and despite what those companies tell you about needing the profit for research and development, in reality 90% of the research and development is done at public universities using public funds, and very very little of a company like Lilly's profits get reinvested into 'research and development' or, gods forbid, a reduction in costs to the end consumers of Lilly's products. Finally, having worked some portion of my life in the video game industry, I can tell you that it is a fact that the majority of companies that make video games not only treat their employees like poo poo, but aren't particularly interested in the notion that if you increase their profit margins, you might improve consumers lives. In fact, many companies maximize their profits at the expense of their consumers. Take micro transactions for instance, the research will tell you that these entice people to spend far more money than they traditionally would on a game, and rather than keeping niche video game publishers afloat, just make huge companies like EA and Blizzard even richer. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 20:39
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I thought this was the Civ thread
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Arrhythmia posted:Going to be honest: I just like playing videogames, and I don't really care which logo I need to right click on in my quick-access bar to load it up. You can actually left-click the steam logo in your quick access.
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Sampatrick posted:EGS occupies the same market as Steam, which is a different market from Humble, GoG, Gamersgate, etc. EGS won't ever kill Steam, obviously, but at the same time that doesn't mean it won't force Steam to renegotiate with developers in order to convince them to not take exclusivity agreements. This is obviously good for consumers, because it means more money is being spent on the development of games, and its also good for developers because it means that they can now negotiate higher the revenue they get from sale of products. While I partially agree with you (it's a dev benefit, but not necessarily a consumer benefit) Gamerofthegame posted:hey. I'd agree that we've pretty much hit the cap on EGS talk, every relevant talking point's been hit and frankly, who cares if a Surviving game is on EGS, it's not like Mars was that good.
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Actually it was great after 18 DLCs so a normal PDX game
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GrossMurpel posted:You can actually left-click the steam logo in your quick access. Holy poo poo...
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Beamed posted:Hey, we got the officially correct opinion re: nationalizing a single games marketplace, let's get on with discussing why Victoria is the only good Paradox franchise. The Paradox Strategy Thread has changed its economic policy to State Capitalism.
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GrossMurpel posted:You can actually left-click the steam logo in your quick access. I dont know why but left click takes longer to load the menu than right, a bit weird.
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Westminster System posted:I dont know why but left click takes longer to load the menu than right, a bit weird. Huh, so it does. Terrible double-click detection waiting half a second for the second click, maybe.
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State Capitalism is actually really really frustrating because it allows capitalists to build new factories but not upgrade existing ones, which is rear end loving backwards. I want to designate where the factories go and then the profitable ones should autoupgrade. When I play state capitalist countries in the late game all my time is spent clicking the upgrade button
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At least they added mass upgrade, cause before that..
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Westminster System posted:At least they added mass upgrade, cause before that.. Well I learned something new today that I could have used many, many hours ago.
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So, I don't know where to post this where people would care, besides this thread, but... I started making a thing, I guess. 
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So instead of Victoria III it's Gerry Mander I?
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my god another open v2
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OddObserver posted:So instead of Victoria III it's Gerry Mander I? It's a game where you can play as a political party within a country! EDIT: Thread oldies may remember that time when Baronjutter sperged out about theorycrafting about hypothetical Vic3, and talked about POPULATION PYRAMIDS.  Ghost of Mussolini posted:can i play as the arab socialist ba'ath party Someday.  VVVVVVVV DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 05:25
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can i play as the arab socialist ba'ath party
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But how do you keep it interesting when your party's in opposition? It seems like it'd be a different and rather less fun game while you didn't control the head of state/government.' edit -- this came off as real negative, sorry. Would be interested in how to solve this dilemma though, because I'd love to play a modern political/diplomatic/economic game where you play an organization like a political party instead of a single character or a gray eminence running the whole country. Vivian Darkbloom fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Oct 11, 2019 05:36
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Because the meat of a game where you play just a political party would be in political conquest of your nation. Scrabble to get every little bit of support and numbers, claw those numbers up, build up a stock of political capital. Then when you're finally in control, staying in power is costly. If you want to get anything done, you gotta spend that political capital. Anything you do, anything you don't do, if anything negative happens, public support drains away. If you have actual goals for what you do with power, you'll end up destroying yourself in the short run accomplishing those tasks. Hope you've got some kind of long-term strategy for coming back. The most effective strategy while in power is to do very little and cheat the system so you don't actually have to maintain popular support. Assuming there isn't something bigger happening that actually requires power to be exerted. It's like King of Tokyo, or board games that have some kind of penalty for being the first player, or like how in Dominion every victory point you buy fills your deck up with junk to slow you down.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:But how do you keep it interesting when your party's in opposition? It seems like it'd be a different and rather less fun game while you didn't control the head of state/government.' Actually the thing I was pondering is sort of the inverse of that: how do you keep it interesting when your party's in control! Because Slothful Cobra's got the idea - the bulk of the game is going to be about winning elections, district by district, county by county. The mechanic I have in mind is that you have several main resources, or stats. First of which being Political Power, which you use to do basically everything in the game - promoting party leaders, buying political favors, campaigning for support in districts. You get political power from voting pops, each of whom donate a small amount of political power to you every tick. Every pop counts. However, the larger you grow - the more districts you control by having the largest number of aligned pops in that district - the more it affects your second important stat: Organization. Organization refers to the efficiency of your political actions, and affects the rate of political power gain per tick, as well as the cost of taking new political actions such as launching a campaign, and the daily upkeep of active campaigns. Organization can be increased by promoting party leaders, which will take over districts, gather political power on their own, and pass through a percentage of it depending on their loyalty. It can also be affected by your party's characteristics and platforms. So in this respect, the way I conceive the game being interesting when you're out of power is a lot like how you can play as a count or duke or merchant family in CK2. There's still things to do, like scheme or vie for power, sabotage the party that is out of power, buy favors and infiltrate areas where the ruling party is weak. A party that is in control of the nation will have to constantly be on the defensive and ration out its political power by trying to appeal to all the pops in the country, while a party that is out of the ruling will have to focus on strategizing. EDIT: The game revolves entirely around pops, which will represent something like 10,000 or 100,000 people each. Your party's existence depends on pops - you cease to exist when fewer than 10% of the pops support you in all districts. Pops will each have a small set of appeal factors or issues that they are concerned about, and will gravitate to your party depending on what platforms you choose to enact and the characteristics of your party. You will be able to spend political power to add a platform, which will enhance your appeal among a broader populace, but decrease your party's radicalism. Parties that are focused on a single message will engender more loyalty among their voters, but have narrower appeal. DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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haha this thread changed it's title to match with spooky october how cute
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trapped mouse posted:haha this thread changed it's title to match with spooky october how cute Well, actually, it was changed last October and no one remember to change it back 
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DrSunshine posted:POPULATION PYRAMIDS. Instant buy
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Pop pyramids are cool and demographics are cool but it was not me who ever made any sort of effort posts about the topic 
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Baronjutter posted:Pop pyramids are cool and demographics are cool but it was not me who ever made any sort of effort posts about the topic Really? Man, who was that?? He posts effortposts in this thread sometimes. Maybe A Buttery Pastry or someone.
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