Auspol Sept-Nov: Bushfires are now Greens policy.

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The Neal!: Sep 3, 2004

The Peccadillo posted:

"I was a complete failure right up until the point I inherited all my success and it could happen for you!"

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:31

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:04

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fauna posted:

never, that's the point. the police are getting bolder and saying things about how they're battle-hardened or whatever and threatening to trample protesters with their horses, so it's only a matter of time before some loose cannon snaps and kills someone, and because that's unprecedented here (for straight white people) it will change the game entirely

They did this and more regarding the WTO protests which were a million times more violent end to end.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:35

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

fauna posted:

never, that's the point. the police are getting bolder and saying things about how they're battle-hardened or whatever and threatening to trample protesters with their horses, so it's only a matter of time before some loose cannon snaps and kills someone, and because that's unprecedented here (for straight white people) it will change the game entirely

One of the XR people who was arrested on Friday was denied her medication (for anxiety & bi-polar) when she was thrown into the lock up for about 10 hours.

So doesn't even need to be a mental cop killing someone, but just the usual "neglect" that can happen to some people in lock ups that wind up with people dead.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:41

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

One nation members want Hanson out of her president for life job, but it costs a hundred and fifty to go to the convention to vote her out of it, so they're crowd funding the money to go

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:47

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Not sure I would trust the Australian general public to riot over police brutality towards people they hate for blocking the roads and media personalities say should be run over without getting any backlash for it.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:51

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

hey fauna i was at a presentation by scott ludlam on the weekend that you would have been interested in: he touched on the language used by XR and how we have to be very careful with some of it, especially talk of a climate 'emergency' as there is nothing that authoritarians love more than an emergency to implement draconian laws and repeal human rights.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:53

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Not sure I would trust the Australian general public to riot over police brutality towards people they hate for blocking the roads and media personalities say should be run over without getting any backlash for it.

Those people will end up against the wall when it actually happens. People don't take that threat seriously until it happens to a white person.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 04:56

fauna: Dec 6, 2018; Caught between two worlds...

GoldStandardConure posted:

hey fauna i was at a presentation by scott ludlam on the weekend that you would have been interested in: he touched on the language used by XR and how we have to be very careful with some of it, especially talk of a climate 'emergency' as there is nothing that authoritarians love more than an emergency to implement draconian laws and repeal human rights.

i wish i'd been there! did he suggest an alternative?

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Not sure I would trust the Australian general public to riot over police brutality towards people they hate for blocking the roads and media personalities say should be run over without getting any backlash for it.

you would be surprised. one great thing about ex is how multi-demographic it is - the eventual death is just as likely to be that of a child or an elderly person or someone that even conservatives find they have sympathy for. martyrdom isn't just for jihadists. that's the important thing about the peacefulness of the protests, the protesters aren't seeking to be killed, we're all hoping it doesn't happen, but it's a sad reality of a police state that it's pretty much guaranteed to happen sooner or later

Intoluene posted:

Those people will end up against the wall when it actually happens. People don't take that threat seriously until it happens to a white person.

and then hopefully this will happen too. if we can break the undeserved credibility of australia's hopelessly biased media, that impairs the government's most important tool

fauna fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Oct 14, 2019

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:03

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Intoluene posted:

Those people will end up against the wall when it actually happens. People don't take that threat seriously until it happens to a white person.

This is analogous to border force treating white people like poo poo though. It does make people angry but at best they only get angry about that specific case, and the systemic realisation that border force are an inherently bad organisation never happens as much as leftists hope this will be the time the rest of Australia comes to the same conclusion as them.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:06

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

A protestor getting killed will lead to nothing

The same spin that says an unarmed black teen getting murdered in his own home was "no angel" is easy when the media and slackarses already hate you

"He smoked a weed once and he stopped traffic! He deserved to die!"

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:08

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

There are literally people threatening to run down protestors on social media and the like. You think they're going to riot if a cop (who they love) caps a kid (who they hate)?

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:08

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

KAK calling for protesters to be run over, goddamn.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:15

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

fauna posted:

i wish i'd been there! did he suggest an alternative?

I can't remember, it was a long weekend and he talked about a lot of things (including the need for Fully Automated Luxury Communism, using those exact words), he just touched on it briefly.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:17

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Not sure I would trust the Australian general public to riot over police brutality towards people they hate for blocking the roads and media personalities say should be run over without getting any backlash for it.

Yeah but Australians unironically think that they should be able to run over whoever they want.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:18

fauna: Dec 6, 2018; Caught between two worlds...

MysticalMachineGun posted:

There are literally people threatening to run down protestors on social media and the like. You think they're going to riot if a cop (who they love) caps a kid (who they hate)?

nobody is going to riot after one death, this is always going to be a gradual thing. but yes, if a white kid dies, there will be a subtle but definite shift in public perceptions of the police, of the protests, and of the urgency of the climate situation. some idiots will double down and go "xr murdered that poor child!" but if it's a definite case of police brutality (or bystander brutality, like what happened in charlottesville) that message will have no staying power. and yes, like, if someone drives a car into a crowd of protesters and kak is on camera telling people to drive a car into a crowd of protesters, there will be scrutiny of that as well

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:20

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

the cops stole scott ludlams bootlaces when he was arrested, so now he has red bootlaces

problematic

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:24

Box of Bunnies: Apr 3, 2012; by Pragmatica

Synthbuttrange posted:

KAK calling for protesters to be run over, goddamn.

yeah, it's not just "people on social media" like dumb halal boycotts or whatever, it's old media 'institutions' like Kerry-Anne thirsting for the blood of protesters so people are well primed to not give a poo poo when some dole bludger whitey gets run over by nanna Ruth on her way to the hospital or whatever

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:27

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

GoldStandardConure posted:

the cops stole scott ludlams bootlaces when he was arrested, so now he has red bootlaces

problematic

Another victim of carceral radicalisation

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:29

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

fauna if you get an account upgrade to get PMs or have an email or something I can tell you about some XR stuff that I think you'd be interested in

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:41

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Box of Bunnies posted:

yeah, it's not just "people on social media" like dumb halal boycotts or whatever, it's old media 'institutions' like Kerry-Anne thirsting for the blood of protesters so people are well primed to not give a poo poo when some dole bludger whitey gets run over by nanna Ruth on her way to the hospital or whatever

It is extremely cool and good that media figures are calling for the death of protesters. When you consider the precedent set by the 6 (at least) organisers from the Ferguson riot being murdered by white supremacists, one of whom was literally lynched, while nobody in law enforcement was even slightly concerned about it and ruled them all as accidental/suicide.

How long before some jackbooted thug cop or Blair Cottrell type decides to take business into their own hands and go after XR organisers? Some of them are already getting death threats via Twitter/Facebook DMs from wingnuts.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 05:51

fauna: Dec 6, 2018; Caught between two worlds...

GoldStandardConure posted:

fauna if you get an account upgrade to get PMs or have an email or something I can tell you about some XR stuff that I think you'd be interested in

i communicate by goat

fauna fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Nov 1, 2019

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:06

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

GoldStandardConure posted:

hey fauna i was at a presentation by scott ludlam on the weekend that you would have been interested in: he touched on the language used by XR and how we have to be very careful with some of it, especially talk of a climate 'emergency' as there is nothing that authoritarians love more than an emergency to implement draconian laws and repeal human rights.

realistically they're gonna do it anyway. theyve never needed a problem to actually exist before forcing its solution on people, eg the constant increase in power security agencies have been getting under dutton, laws against "vegan terrorists" and boobytrapped protesters. its a shame you cant remember if ludlum had any suggested alternatives, holding your tongue in fear the liberals will use it as an excuse to do evil seems like it ends up with business as usual until they do what you were trying to avoid giving them cover to do anyway:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...012-p5302f.html

quote:

Environmental and planning rules could be circumvented to fast-track dams, bores and water pipelines under emergency drought-busting laws being considered by the Berejiklian government, as it joins with federal counterparts to inject $1 billion into getting the critical projects built.

Under the proposal, Water Minister Melinda Pavey would be able to direct Planning Department bureaucrats to speed up the construction of water infrastructure by up to two years by slashing requirements to conduct biodiversity surveys and leaving planning decisions to WaterNSW.
...
But Nature Conservation Council spokesman James Tremain said the Coalition "was warned years ago of the looming water crisis in the bush but failed to act".
�Well, now the chickens have come home to roost and Nationals ministers are running around shouting about new dams and throwing out proper planning processes," Mr Tremain said.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/13/nsw-to-get-a-new-dam-as-part-of-1bn-drought-emergency-boost

quote:

The federal and New South Wales governments are investing $1bn in water infrastructure for rural and regional communities impacted by the devastating drought in NSW.
�Our response to the ongoing drought impacting rural and regional communities is comprehensive and committed,� the prime minister, Scott Morrison, said in a statement on Sunday.
�It deals with immediate needs for financial assistance in and longer-term investments to build drought resilience for the future,� Morrison said.
...
However, the Nature Conservation Council warned the NSW government to retain thorough assessment of water infrastructure projects to avoid further ecological catastrophes, like the mass fish kills earlier this year.
�We need thorough assessment of water infrastructure projects now more than ever to ensure we don�t make matters worse,� the chief executive, Chris Gambian, said in a statement.
�The problems we are facing today are a direct result of this government refusing to listen to its own planning experts, who warned of this looming water crisis six years ago."
The council said it feared the measures would open the door to the state�s water minister sidelining the planning department and leaving decisions to WaterNSW.

�Bypassing proper environmental checks will compound the ecological and social disasters the NSW government�s has already helped to create,� Gambian said.
�This is going to be a devastating summer across NSW and no amount of political chest beating is going to make it any more manageable.
�We need to reduce our water use, and the best way to do that is by slashing the amount of water allocated to big irrigators and to stop undermining the Murray Daring Basin Plan.�
�Governments stopped building dams 30 years ago for a very good reason. Dams fail to provide water security for local communities, they degrade river systems and cause a host of environmental problems.
�And in the era of climate change and higher evaporation, new dams are unlikely to fill.�

its probably a winning play for the lnp. ignore the warnings for years, insult the people trying to help you as greenies who hate "real australians", until it becomes so in your face even nationals voters cant ignore it. then you make a big song and dance about all youre doing to help in this "emergency", put on a cowboy hat and hand out some giant cheques for poorly thought out solutions that end up making everything worse. blame the eventual problems that come to light on the same greenies that warned you about the issue in the first place and repeat forever. the base will love it.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:08

fauna: Dec 6, 2018; Caught between two worlds...

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

giant cheques

quote:

the base will love it.

this is the beginning and end of lnp policy

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:10

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

fauna posted:

do you have a twitter? twitter dms are my most reliable contact point at the moment, this is me

I did have a twitter but it got hijacked by a bot and I am too lazy to get it back.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:31

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

https://twitter.com/mcberkman/status/1183557935395299328

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:38

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

realistically they're gonna do it anyway. theyve never needed a problem to actually exist before forcing its solution on people, eg the constant increase in power security agencies have been getting under dutton, laws against "vegan terrorists" and boobytrapped protesters. its a shame you cant remember if ludlum had any suggested alternatives, holding your tongue in fear the liberals will use it as an excuse to do evil seems like it ends up with business as usual until they do what you were trying to avoid giving them cover to do anyway

It was a Greens event so he was mostly there to talk about Greens stuff rather than hang poo poo on XR (given that he has been doing a bunch of XR stuff recently), mostly talking about new messaging and ideas for the greens eg: fully automated luxury gay space communism

His message definately wasn't to hold your tongue. I also think he didn't want go into too much detail as he is writing a book at the moment which might covet a whole bunch of these ideas, and he didn't have a lot of time to talk & take questions.

He is still pro protest & civil disobedience for sure.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:40

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1183539500795883520?s=20

lmao that it's taken this loving long

# ? Oct 14, 2019 06:48

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Synthbuttrange posted:

https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1183539500795883520?s=20

lmao that it's taken this loving long

wtf boomers on twitter have been calling things woke since forever. this is who i picture every time somebody calls something woke

https://twitter.com/GrumpyOLSoldier/status/1163296401117179907

# ? Oct 14, 2019 07:27

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

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# ? Oct 14, 2019 07:36

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# ? Oct 14, 2019 07:43

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

wtf boomers on twitter have been calling things woke since forever. this is who i picture every time somebody calls something woke

https://twitter.com/GrumpyOLSoldier/status/1163296401117179907

who cares what this nerd says

# ? Oct 14, 2019 07:48

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

The Guardian Liveblog posted:

Rob Mitchell gets booted for asking Dan Tehan to table the document he was talking from, as there is no mention of education in the talking points.

Worth it.

# ? Oct 14, 2019 07:59

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

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- Arts degrees bad; Engineering good
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- Figure out how to do university without academics??? Make em casuals?!
- Better outcomes for our friends

# ? Oct 14, 2019 08:14

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

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# ? Oct 14, 2019 08:18

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