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In actual news there's currently(? might have just finished) an England v Bulgaria football game happening which has been stopped twice for racism from the fans... and it says a lot that I had to check, but yes, it is from the Bulgarian fans, being racist towards British black players. E: 134 grams:  WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Oct 14, 2019 20:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QZgH1eP2o Edit sorry not to pes and what, just this thread in general Goddamn, you guys
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Oct 14, 2019 20:48
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WhatEvil posted:In actual news there's currently(? might have just finished) an England v Bulgaria football game happening which has been stopped twice for racism from the fans... and it says a lot that I had to check, but yes, it is from the Bulgarian fans, being racist towards British black players. Having worked in Romania and Bulgaria in the late 2000s, the racists there are at that 1950s level of racism. The one where they don’t hide it and are slightly confused when you don’t share their views.
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Pesmerga posted:Having worked in Romania and Bulgaria in the late 2000s, the racists there are at that 1950s level of racism. The one where they don’t hide it and are slightly confused when you don’t share their views. I worked with a bunch of Polish people at my last job in the UK and they're not quite at 1950s levels but there was definitely a higher level of racism and moreso in the older guys. I think it's an Eastern European thing. I think the youth there are probably still coming around though, for the most part. Speaking of the youth, this is good: https://twitter.com/SocialistChris/status/1183831741187932160?s=20 Check out how many younger people are registering to vote vs. the olds.
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Oct 14, 2019 20:51
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Oct 14, 2019 20:53
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You would expect that given that old people are probably already registered, but yes it's something to hope for.
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Oct 14, 2019 20:53
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WhatEvil posted:I worked with a bunch of Polish people at my last job in the UK and they're not quite at 1950s levels but there was definitely a higher level of racism and moreso in the older guys. I think it's an Eastern European thing. I think the youth there are probably still coming around though, for the most part. I mean to be fair the older you get the more likely you are to already be on the electoral roll but yeah it’s a nice reminder that demographics aren’t static.
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WhatEvil posted:I worked with a bunch of Polish people at my last job in the UK and they're not quite at 1950s levels but there was definitely a higher level of racism and moreso in the older guys. I think it's an Eastern European thing. I think the youth there are probably still coming around though, for the most part.
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Oct 14, 2019 20:55
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OwlFancier posted:You would expect that given that old people are probably already registered, but yes it's something to hope for. Well yes but the 25-34 age group and the 35-44s, you'd expect would mostly already be registered to vote too, but they're outnumbering the olds also. Last I read I think the Lab->Con majority vote crossover age was about 49? So in theory any imbalance towards more <49 y/o's newly registering than >49y/o's is good. Guavanaut posted:The ones that aren't becoming Nazis. Lol yes, that is literally what I was thinking of when I said "for the most part".
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Oct 14, 2019 20:56
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Aw  Fondly remembered voice from back in the day, when I was terrified of the sound of the Vogons blowing up Earth and ran out of the room and hid when that bit happened
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It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. Still just seems bizzare that people who within living memory have had their lives wrecked by ethnonationalism end up thinking "well obviously the problem was just that I wasn't the one in the guard towers"
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Oct 14, 2019 21:03
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OwlFancier posted:It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. So I wasn't actually taught at school (despite covering WW2 for like, 2 years) what the actual political background behind the Nazis coming to power and what fascism is and why it's bad and all that stuff. Pretty much just "Nazis bad, they did bad things and hated the Jews". Not like "Well the Jews were being used as scapegoats because fascism requires a domestic enemy and you should be wary of people telling you that you should hate an ethnic/religious group" etc. So that for example leaves people with an avenue to go down of "Well I don't hate Jews... I only hate Muslims, and they deserve it because they're filthy rats and they did 9/11 and they have Muslamic Rayguns" which still leaves the door open to doing the exact same poo poo the Nazis did (and of course they probably do actually also hate Jews). I'm not making excuses for Nazis here you understand, I just honestly think if kids were taught more about it all instead of just like, dates battles happened and poo poo like that then Nazism wouldn't be on the rise.
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Oct 14, 2019 21:11
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Guavanaut posted:What would people from hypothetical ASEAN countries that prevent their citizens from exercising any right exclusive to a citizen in any other country with right to remain in the UK do in the event of mandatory voting? the status quo, really. There are many Australians with assorted dual nationalities, either by descent or registration. Voting is mandatory for Australian citizens, including dual nationals (which Australia does recognize; they just can't run for federal office or be Deputy Prime Minister). if the relevant governments find out, they will demand that the dual national pick one or lose the non-Australian citizenship. If they don't find out, then Australia generally doesn't feel obliged to help enforce the nationality laws of other countries anyway. In short, not very much different. The other country will generally know where you are (not least for tax purposes). It just doesn't know, or doesn't need to know, whether you are there as a permit holder or as a citizen. So whether it is mandatory doesn't change much.
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That sounds dangerously like a comprehensive political education and if you did that it would stop people voting tory.
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OwlFancier posted:It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. I also lived in Poland for a while. The general discourse there was ‘yeah the Germans were bad, but the Russians were the real villains. Strongly anti-communist, and in some cases, adopting Nazism as a rejection of that. Which is also related in part to the desire amongst some demographics for a strong nation, and we only got screwed because of betrayal discourse. It was either that or becoming rampant free-marketers, many of whom left the country.
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does Thom Yorke know something we don’t because I don’t think even Sturgeon is that optimistic for their chances at leaving UK
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Today was a dark day for the UK Monstermunch Thread.
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OwlFancier posted:It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. Remember that Eastern Europe was caught in a seriously vicious brawl between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. A lot of folks went Nazi because the Russians literally raped their way through their towns and the Germans were the guys trying to kill them.
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OwlFancier posted:It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. Check out the history of Hungary from literally the bit where Austria became Austria-Hungary. They were Nazi before Germany was. Poland has serious form too. All of this was long before WW2 btw, Eastern Europe did not go authoritian because of that, fascism came first.
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Oct 14, 2019 21:33
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Many of them did support the Nazis in the beginning. But soon it became apparent that the Nazis thought the fate of the Native Americans was a good start for the people of eastern Europe. So the Nazis managed to burn though all the good-will from driving out the Soviets and then some in less than a year.
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Just seen this on Twitter, quite interesting: https://twitter.com/darren_cullen/status/1183838807789129728?s=20 Didn't know that our railways were already government owned! (or at least partially, by foreign governments).
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golden bubble posted:Many of them did support the Nazis in the beginning. But soon it became apparent that the Nazis thought the fate of the Native Americans was a good start for the people of eastern Europe. So the Nazis managed to burn though all the good-will from driving out the Soviets and then some in less than a year. It was the other way around, wasn't it? The Soviets' worst war-crimes were on the advance to Berlin.
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i just skipped 200 posts how much was complaining about crisp chat or did something actually happen?
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Jose posted:i just skipped 200 posts how much was complaining about crisp chat or did something actually happen? Nah, Queen's Speech was pointless and house was just adjourned so no vote tonight
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Jose posted:i just skipped 200 posts how much was complaining about crisp chat or did something actually happen? All, nothing.
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WhatEvil posted:So I wasn't actually taught at school (despite covering WW2 for like, 2 years) what the actual political background behind the Nazis coming to power and what fascism is and why it's bad and all that stuff. Pretty much just "Nazis bad, they did bad things and hated the Jews". Not like "Well the Jews were being used as scapegoats because fascism requires a domestic enemy and you should be wary of people telling you that you should hate an ethnic/religious group" etc. Lots of stuff about supply lines and improvized weapons, but also What Nazis Were and Why People Collaborated, and while it basically boiled down to 'twats with a national superiority complex' and 'a mixture of people who found it easier to go with the flow and people who'd sell their own grandma for a better life' it was more interesting, or at least more human, than most of the hoo-ah are boys stuff of other WWII museums.
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Guavanaut posted:I've mentioned it before itt, but the best resource I remember for that was a tiny museum in Normandy run by a former French resistance fighter and his family. Yeah I think I remember you saying. We could do with more of this everywhere. I've been to Bletchley park a few times as I lived ~5 miles away from it, and there's nothing like this at all. Masses and masses of stuff about the war, obviously, what it was like living during it, what happened, why codebreaking was important and all that stuff but nothing about "Oh and by the way this is why the nazis were a thing". In film and stuff too it's just "Hey the nazis were uniquely evil, nothing else to be learned really just don't be evil OK?".
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Sitting here feeling very grateful for my internationalist, citizen of nowhere IB diploma, which taught us trifling things like why the Nazis were bad and why the Cuban missile crisis happened.
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Jose posted:i just skipped 200 posts how much was complaining about crisp chat or did something actually happen? 
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WhatEvil posted:So I wasn't actually taught at school (despite covering WW2 for like, 2 years) what the actual political background behind the Nazis coming to power and what fascism is and why it's bad and all that stuff. Pretty much just "Nazis bad, they did bad things and hated the Jews". Not like "Well the Jews were being used as scapegoats because fascism requires a domestic enemy and you should be wary of people telling you that you should hate an ethnic/religious group" etc. We didn't cover much of WW2 at my high school, but spent a term analysing the lead up to it. It was really interesting for me at the time and gave me my first real insight into politics, or at least the causes and effect rather than living through it. I remember particularly my teacher discussing the weaknesses of the Weimar republic and how its collapse lead to fascism, as well as a lesson on hyperinflation. I felt I learned more about the causes of war than the war itself, (I can't think of much media that does look at the causes of war) though it was useful and more interesting.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Before you know it, you'll be prominent enough for the Mail to do a hit job on you! We’ve learned from the journey of others that have came before in that regard lmao OwlFancier posted:Arriva, Abello, and Scotrail are all Deutsche Bahn, that's what "a DB company" means. Nitpicking like gently caress but ScotRail itself is the franchise which is owned by Abellio.
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OwlFancier posted:It's still really weird to me that eastern europe would produce nazis but I guess if Israel can do it it shouldn't be that surprising. Israel is like the perfect cauldron to produce nazism, it's a religion but also sort of an ethnicity? made into a state that has the explicit backing of the US war machine, I'm constantly surprised that Israel isn't even worse than it is and the local form of Corbynistas/Bernie Bros/woke leftist types within Israel deserve more credit than they get in holding back the most evil flailings of that lovely country. But on eastern europe, Douglas Murray joins the likes of Andrew Adonis in that I disagree with them about 90% of their world-view but occasionally I'm listening to shitlib radio and they actually say the thing my brain is screaming for someone to loving say so as a result I have to listen to them and Murray is absolutely right, eastern europe got materially hosed by feudalism, nazism and communism and the most modern neoliberalism offered was 'hey do tough work in other countries for good pay, barely see your families, and also suffer some racism while you're doing that work'. Eastern european countries were never able to buy into the idea anglo/franco/germanic countries could of 'how bad can it really be dont worry trust your local blair', they have a stark history of yes it can be extremely loving bad, the apparently contradictory support for overarching stable economic power bloks and strong social, frankly psychosocial, conservatism makes perfect sense. That's very obviously not the same as nazism calm yourself. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Sanitary Naptime posted:We’ve learned from the journey of others that have came before in that regard lmao True, just don't know if they own anything else, I literally only see them when I go to scotland and I only go to scotland on the train.
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As far as I’m aware it’s just ScotRail that Abellio have a stake in, the majority of buses in Scotland are owned by First, Stagecoach and Arriva.
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communism bitch posted:Couple of threads back we were gassing about weapon nerds on youtube, and got to talking about Lindybeige. Today I've had some academic HEMA types re-cataloguing our armoury, and I got to talking about youtubers who specialise in this stuff. One of the guys who was with me runs a pretty large HEMA fencing school in London, and he told me that Lindybeige is a complete loving idiot, got kicked out of their school after one lesson for nearly killing someone by being a moron, hasn't got a single clue what he's talking about, and (according to somebody else he knew) is apparently a racist into the bargain. I know this is from pages back, but Lindybeige's website has pages of his dipshit Evo Psych nonsense, so him being a racist isn't surprising. I found him interesting for a bit but unsubbed when he did the video moaning about taking down statues.
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