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PantsOptional posted:Once you strip away the clever-seeming dialogue style, the actual writing of the show seems questionable, and thus the politics espoused in the show as well. The episode that nearly gave Dave a coronary involved a trade bill amendment that had strong bipartisan support but was, according to the show, going to be completely killed over an amendment against child slavery. yea under all the flowery bullshit the actual political elements of the show are dogshit. It's constantly based around the fantastical 'you know it's a compromise if everyone's unhappy' nonsense, so the actual legislation that gets passed is often insane budget balances by way of social safety net cuts or gun control by way of actually not doing gun control at all or whatever. You can't even have your protagonists win in anything but symbolic things. It becomes extremely distasteful in the wake of most of us losing our Obama nostalgia when we see that the actual governance he did exactly like that was poo poo that I'm sure fake president Martin Sheen would love like 'ok we'll do healthcare reform...but no public option' or him literally offering up gutting social security as a 'grand bargain' that only got avoided when the republicans couldn't even give him that terrible win. Like, we had the Sorkin president and it turns out he did near nothing but let the republicans eat his lunch and call him a commie terrorist lover for not putting the right garnish on it. West Wing was always a fantasy but it's become pretty unpleasent to watch in modern contexts
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West Wing was Clintonian "end of history" fanfic playing out as the GOP Executive branch in the real world took us to war with Iraq and framed questioning the motivation for essentially delivering a trillion dollars directly to Halliburton as "unpatriotic"
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I somehow missed that Dave is doing a West Wing podcast?! What is it called?
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^ The West Wing Thing. There was a savage article politically reviewing The West Wing that pointed out that Sheen's presidency didn't actually accomplish anything. He gave up a chance to own the Supreme Court. There were no apparent foreign policy victories. The only landmark piece of legislation is a vague "Homeless" bill, and the conceit of the show is that they have a supermajority and an insane voter mandate (with some ridiculous electoral college map). The point was that even in what's essentially neoliberal/centrist/"debate me" porn they didn't actually achieve anything. Even in dream fiction they're worthless, oppressed failures. Probably some corollary to the religious right and their oppression porn genre of films.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:^ The West Wing Thing. oh god I forgot that the show literally involves president sheen winning a Reagan-esque massive electoral mandate with massive coattails yet still not doing poo poo. That 'they can't even win in their fantasies' thing is so true though. I remember early in the Trump presidency there was some Clinton toadie who made some dumb 'meanwhile in the reality where Clinton won she's signing a bipartisan compromise on immigration' post and it was just so sad. Even in a literal alternate reality they can't just win outright because their ideal form is everyone sitting down and shaking hands, if one person is unhappy everything has to stop. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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My biggest exposure to the West Wing is from the episode of Citation Needed and the description of the episode that had Modern Day McGovern as the dangerous left-wing voice trying to drag the Democrats away from bipartisanship was loving insane
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AceOfFlames posted:I never watched the West Wing but am I correct in assuming that people hate it now because they blame the show for making politicians think they can simply debate everything calmly like civilized people instead of screaming at each other and that no longer applies? You know the Crooked Media guys? They've openly stated that their desire to get into politics, and the way they comported themselves in the Obama administration, was inspired by the West Wing. So read into that what you will.
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If your political pie-in-the-sky fantasies don't involve sending all of your political opponents to the gulag what are you even doing in politics.
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Dimebags Brain posted:If your political pie-in-the-sky fantasies don't involve sending all of your political opponents to the gulag what are you even doing in politics. doing a better job at hiding it than you
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Just listened to the latest episode about Abalonia. As someone who grew up in Hesperia, bless Dave Anthony for dunking on my lovely hometown. Why would anyone willingly die there?
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Oh dear. Just noticed the title of the latest Dollop. I have heard of this event (though haven't seen the movies made about it). I'm guessing there's going to be a huge extended period where they rightly point out that if that happened today, the students would keep going once the "twist" was revealed, still think it was awesome and kick the teacher to the curb. Edit: huh, there wasn't. I still think that would totally happen though. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 09:53
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Oh poo poo the Third Wave? I can't wait for this one.
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Veskit posted:What in the gently caress was that An education success story
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All I had ever seen was the German movie Die Wielle (or whatever it's called). I didn't realize it was a thing that happened in California. So far I'm up to Day 3 and it's crazy so far.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:An education success story When he dropped the mic I was loving stunned
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SalTheBard posted:All I had ever seen was the German movie Die Wielle (or whatever it's called). I didn't realize it was a thing that happened in California. So far I'm up to Day 3 and it's crazy so far. it's based on a book that's a staple of middle school reading lists (the book is a novelization of a made for TV movie about the event). surprised a bunch of people haven't heard of it.
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We read the color game but that was a watered down version of apartheid
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's based on a book that's a staple of middle school reading lists (the book is a novelization of a made for TV movie about the event). surprised a bunch of people haven't heard of it. Oh ok. Interesting. I was looking at the Wikipedia article and there is a doc called Learning Day that has interviews with students and the teacher that I might try to find and watch. I think poo poo like this and the Stanford Prison Experiment to be so interesting.
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I remember learning about this in high school, but holy poo poo nobody ever mentioned that it all happened in a week
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That was some White Ribbon poo poo holy guacamole.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's based on a book that's a staple of middle school reading lists (the book is a novelization of a made for TV movie about the event). surprised a bunch of people haven't heard of it. When he mentioned that its required reading in many states, I was wondering what states because I had never heard of this until now.
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seiferguy posted:When he mentioned that its required reading in many states, I was wondering what states because I had never heard of this until now. Same here.
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The TV movie is what they made us watch while they deliberated over how to tell us that the World Trade Center towers were destroyed. I thought the movie was cheesy, but I also didn't know it was based on an actual event. Less than a week to turn kids into rabid fascists. Cool.
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I just switched from iPhone to Google Pixel. Anyone know how I can get the Patreon-only episodes in my Google Podcasts app? edit: Welp, answered my own question. In case anyone else is curious, Google Podcasts doesn't support private RSS feeds so you need to download a third-party podcast player. Binowru fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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seiferguy posted:When he mentioned that its required reading in many states, I was wondering what states because I had never heard of this until now. i don't think it was required reading here but it was always on that list where you could pick for summer reading or certain tracks in school did it.
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The Wave episode was good and important. I saw the movie several times in my youth (I live in Israel where it's shown to school children every year around Holocaust Remembrance Day) and it always hit really hard.
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https://twitter.com/thedollop/status/1183527228178497537?s=21 THE KING FINALLY RETURNS
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Oh cool I haven’t had my brains thoroughly melted in the past 24 hours.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/thedollop/status/1183527228178497537?s=21 oh god how long is it?
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I'm listening now and it's amazing and awful. Patton really adds to it with stories of old Hollywood, and there's some stuff even he didn't know. "I'm going down the poo poo flume again!"
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Is his early life better or worse than Errol Flynn?
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RandomPauI posted:Is his early life better or worse than Errol Flynn? Funny you should mention that, guess who shows up to give ol' Ronnie some advice?
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Funny you should mention that, guess who shows up to give ol' Ronnie some advice? 
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TheHomerTax posted:
So Reagan is literally just Trump brain worms included.
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Weird how the most popular republican presidents are coastal elite sex weirdos. I though republicans didn't like those people.
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They use projection to signal they are ready for mating with fellow subhumans.
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RandomPauI posted:Is his early life better or worse than Errol Flynn? Well, Reagan doesn't seem to have engaged in any slavery and only raped a couple people. So I guess on a personal level better, though he certainly did a fuckload more damage to the world.
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