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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:If it gets bad enough, I predict that they may make the calculation that getting rid of Trump might be easier for them in the long run than carrying his dead weight into an important election year. Don't know if we're quite at that point yet, but we may well be in a month or two. I don't think this is going to get any better for Trump - or for the GOP. Any GOP Senator that votes to impeach Trump will never win another primary again, ever. Trump is the most popular politician ever among Republicans. He's more popular than Reagan was among GOP voters. This would only intensify if Trump were convicted- reactionaries favorite pastime is inventing ways to portray themselves as victims. Having the most popular Republican politician ever (among GOP voters) impeached by GOP Senators is just never going to happen. The Senators aren't driving the GOP train- radicalized primary voters are, and have been since 2010. That isn't going to change in our lifetime. The brakes were cut almost a decade ago.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:while i agree. the senate for the most part has still be quiet and alot of them are pissed as gently caress about the kurds. The president made an apparent snap decision that has probably already killed thousands, which if he did it for any coherent reason at all was as another favor for Putin.
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Midgetskydiver posted:Any GOP Senator that votes to impeach Trump will never win another primary again, ever. This is why I having a burning hated of Republican voters.
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RandomBlue posted:This is why I having a burning hated of Republican voters. I guess the other calculus is that if the Republican loses his seat, he knows he'll be replaced by a mentally ill Nazi.
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Oct 16, 2019 05:44
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Midgetskydiver posted:Any GOP Senator that votes to impeach Trump will never win another primary again, ever. As long as the Democrats are dumb enough to run another awful candidate like Hilary Clinton, I think it's unlikely there will be another gop president for as long as everyone remembers Donald Trump.
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half cocaine posted:As long as the Democrats are dumb enough to run another awful candidate like Hilary Clinton, I think it's unlikely there will be another gop president for as long as everyone remembers Donald Trump. People thought the Republican party was dead after George W. Bush left office, too. Two years later they won back the House. Voters have short memories, and the GOP is very good at rebranding itself.
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Oct 16, 2019 05:54
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Gatts posted:Pretty sure Pelosi is paid opposition. She is a Reagan lover so she's probably down for White Supremacy and Conservatism. The whole "Blue Dogs" and "Compromise" and "Reaching across the aisle" stuff is a cover for being complicit and the same thing, this is how they rig the game. Probably why she's always on the emails the Republicans send out for their talking points. Way late to this, but: this is the dumbest thing I've read on these forums in years.
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DaveWoo posted:People thought the Republican party was dead after George W. Bush left office, too. Two years later they won back the House. Their voters only started dying in the last five years In fifteen, they'll have lost like a third
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DaveWoo posted:People thought the Republican party was dead after George W. Bush left office, too. Two years later they won back the House. I don't understand. Obama has two terms. The Democrats lost to Trump because they alienated their own voters. Mitt Romney had more votes than Trump. I don't think anyone forgot the bush years.
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theflyingorc posted:You are saying extremely stupid things FYI The concentration camp defender doesn't like my posts? Fffffffff
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The concentration camp defender doesn't like my posts? Fffffffff Yes, i also believe that tags given our in this thread are accurate, good job. Stop embarrassing yourself lol
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RandomBlue posted:This is why I having a burning hated of Republican voters. sorry it turns out that half-ish the country is actually poo poo bags and humanity is doomed
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The concentration camp defender doesn't like my posts? Fffffffff About you're posts... I have some, ah, bad news...
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skeleton warrior posted:Trump's polling dived into the shitter following the Access Hollywood tape release, but then moved back to its normal 40% after a week and GOPers managed to rationalize themselves into "well, he's a shitbag, but he's our side's shitbag" and most of the Mueller investigation fell into that pattern as well. This feels like it might be building, but it's felt like that before. I think it's notable, though, that as others have said, the only ones going out to defend Trump are the useful idiots like Gaetz and Jordan. I'd be more worried if Senate leadership was taking a more active role in rebutting the House's efforts at oversight. Midgetskydiver posted:Any GOP Senator that votes to impeach Trump will never win another primary again, ever. This is all true. I just wonder if Trump's chud base will help him too much if it's 25-30% of the electorate. I guess it helps the True Believers stay in line, but he's not winning any new converts and as fat as I know, support for impeachment among independents has been ticking up since the Ukraine scandal began. But since I know we live in hellworld, I'm not taking anything for granted after 2016. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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theflyingorc posted:Their voters only started dying in the last five years This is the hope of course, but the permanent GOP senate gerrymander is only going to get worse, combined with a GOP SCOTUS that will sign off on increasingly brazen voter suppression means the GOP will be on life support for a long time to come. Honestly with how this dem primary has gone, I see the Democratic Party splitting far sooner that the GOP.
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Gatts posted:Pretty sure Pelosi is paid opposition. She is a Reagan lover so she's probably down for White Supremacy and Conservatism. The whole "Blue Dogs" and "Compromise" and "Reaching across the aisle" stuff is a cover for being complicit and the same thing, this is how they rig the game. Probably why she's always on the emails the Republicans send out for their talking points. You know how the leader of the Republican party is the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, even though no one is paying him to be awful? That's not untrue for the Democrats.
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Oct 16, 2019 06:38
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Midgetskydiver posted:Any GOP Senator that votes to impeach Trump will never win another primary again, ever. You don’t have to win a primary if you retire. If these were normal folks I would point out that they get their congressional pension after six years but even still they can just retire to sit on boards, lobby or jerk off all day.
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Nonsense posted:Hopefully the Dems are withdrawing the inquiry....
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Crows Turn Off posted:Is that what's happening? No, it's not Impeachment is still happening, Dems just aren't letting Republicans make up rules to slow down proceedings
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I mean I was referencing the last 50 years mostly, but back in the 30s they called all that poo poo progressivism and you had other weirdos like kellogg getting in on it and it was a hella weird time. Still, the pure living fascist poo poo is pretty different from the distinctly anti-authority/anti-science anti-vax and antipharmaceutical contemporary movements, the related industries of which barely existed in the early 1900s. So Behind the Bastards has been explicitly going over this and turns out, not really. https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts/part-one-rudolf-steiner-the-racist-who-invented-organic-farming-and-waldorf-schools.htm It's a real wild ride, but basically proto-fascists/nazis are more or less responsible for the organic farming movement, and a surprisingly high amount of the roots of the modern anti-vax scene in particular is a combination of grifters (loving always comes back to grifters) and sanitized versions of early fascist literature (some of it literally being fascist propoganda with all the explicit racist poo poo removed) being picked up by idiots. There is definitely a strain of leftist derived anti-authority/anti-science, but a large segment of it has been co-opted or taken over by less than savory elements. It's one part grift (okay, two or three probably) and one part specific goal of undermining authority to supplant it. I mean, almost by definition actual anti-authority types aren't going to be building large scale operations, ya? Versus people who don't like the current authority, and but are fine with the concept and want to be the authority instead.
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Nonsense posted:Hopefully the Dems are withdrawing the inquiry so they can just go with full blown impeachment. Why would you hope that?
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I'm seeing papers writing that while they the house has started the impeachment process, a majority vote in the house is needed to create an impeachment committee, before the "impeachment is real". As far as I have been able to read, the single needed vote is the last majority vote to send the actual impeachment indictment to the Seneate for their vote of conviction. No extra legal power is gained to the process, nor the committee that is supposedly needed, by a vote, right?
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refleks posted:I'm seeing papers writing that while they the house has started the impeachment process, a majority vote in the house is needed to create an impeachment committee, before the "impeachment is real". Correct. Trump might as well be saying the democrats have to compete in a Double Dare tournament to start impeachment. Which that I actually would endorse.
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1glitch0 posted:Correct. Then I can also assume that the paper's distinction between "impeachment investigation" and "impeachment process" to be useless? If i translate the headline directly into english it reads "Democrats hesitant with official impeachment investigation of Trump", and points to the lack of vote, but thats bullshit, no?
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refleks posted:I'm seeing papers writing that while they the house has started the impeachment process, a majority vote in the house is needed to create an impeachment committee, before the "impeachment is real". It depends on what the courts say
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refleks posted:Then I can also assume that the paper's distinction between "impeachment investigation" and "impeachment process" to be useless? Correct, there's no distinction. It's bullshit. There's nothing saying a vote needs to be taken to begin an impeachment inquiry or investigation or process or whatever anyone want to call it. They just have to vote on impeachment at the end. Pelosi is smart to not do this dumb nothing vote because if she took it the Trump administration would then just make up a new hoop the democrats would have to jump through to make it legal and this would go on forever. That's their play.
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1184308485237948416 This is the rhythm of the night The night, oh yeah The rhythm of the night This is the rhythm of my life My life, oh yeah The rhythm of my life
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Dan Scavino is the director of social media? America has a a director of social media?
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hellotoothpaste posted:This is the rhythm of the night drat you
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Erd posted:Dan Scavino is the director of social media? America has a a director of social media? Dan Scavino is literally using the President’s account to retweet himself.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Nothing other than the SCOTUS can limit what they rule on
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Solkanar512 posted:You don’t have to win a primary if you retire. If these were normal folks I would point out that they get their congressional pension after six years but even still they can just retire to sit on boards, lobby or jerk off all day. Yeah, but the idea that congressional pensions are anything huge is just part of that "lazy government bloodsuckers" right-wing myth. After that six years you're retiring on a little fraction of your salary, just like most jobs that have pensions at all. The real answer is that most people who make it into congress either come from wealthy backgrounds, or they have the skills and connections to make plenty of money wherever they go. The worst possible case is that they only skated into office out of family connections, and even that means they're not hurting for money.
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The model Trump is citing: https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:And the House would be totally justified in ignoring them. The Supreme Court is not, and was never intended to be, the final arbiter of every last goings-on in government. They have no authority over House business, and it would be a probably unprecendented Constitutional crisis for them to assert that they did. so we're probably going to add that to the pile of crises in like six or so months then
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