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Cerebral Bore posted:CelestialScribe is some upper middle class rightwing-but-claims-to-be-leftwing Aussie dude whose posting career ITT can be summed up with the words "bad" and "faith", Oh I’m definitely upper middle class. Right wing is a new one, though. I guess I’m right wing compared to those who view Bernie Sanders as a compromise? I agree with every part of his platform. I just think he would be a bad president.
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CelestialScribe posted:Oh I’m definitely upper middle class. Dude when I accuse you of posting in bad faith you're not supposed to immediately prove me right lmao.
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Oct 16, 2019 09:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:Dude when I accuse you of posting in bad faith you're not supposed to immediately prove me right lmao. I mean if you would like to articulate one of my supposed right wing positions I’m all ears.
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Oct 16, 2019 09:21
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CelestialScribe posted:If Warren is really as bad as folks in this thread say she is, why would you ever want to endorse her after losing? Because he is nice. I am not. I wouldn't. He is. What is your point? CelestialScribe posted:So....politics is completely justified when it's to benefit a Republican getting elected... Yeah, I think it sucks that he will endorse her if she wins, because she isn't for Medicare for All and it isn't more palatable. Again, what is your point?
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Oct 16, 2019 09:32
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CelestialScribe posted:I mean if you would like to articulate one of my supposed right wing positions I’m all ears. Continually concern trolling left-wing issues like M4A, for starters.
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Majorian posted:Continually concern trolling left-wing issues like M4A, for starters. I think Medicare for All is good policy. My issue with this thread is that it seems to view anything less than that as completely evil, as opposed to a misguided attempt that still does some good.
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CelestialScribe posted:I think Medicare for All is good policy. My issue with this thread is that it seems to view anything less than that as completely evil, as opposed to a misguided attempt that still does some good. No, you’re concern trolling. We know this, because you’ve been doing it literally for years now.
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Majorian posted:No, you’re concern trolling. We know this, because you’ve been doing it literally for years now. Oh okay.
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CelestialScribe posted:I think Medicare for All is good policy. My issue with this thread is that it seems to view anything less than that as completely evil, as opposed to a misguided attempt that still does some good. It won't actually do any good because private insurance will undermine it and kill it.
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CelestialScribe posted:I mean if you would like to articulate one of my supposed right wing positions I’m all ears. Hi, you are a right wing weirdo. CelestialScribe posted:
CelestialScribe posted:I can't tell if this is a joke post or if you're serious, but no, it isn't all you need. If all you do is reimburse students for tuition you've done nothing to put pressure on prices. For the same reason universal health care systems provide reimbursement and also implement strict cost controls. (This is about public tuition, which is already price controlled, so dropping these concerns is right wing FUD garbage. Relatedly...) CelestialScribe posted:It is a very real concern that increasing the minimum wage too quickly in a low-wage environment will cause unemployment to rise. This is not a partisan attack, it's an economic reality. CelestialScribe posted:A marriage that ends is by definition a failure, given the intention of marriage is a lifetime relationship. Or just search your posts for "tax returns" to turn up a million hang wringing about Bernard Sanders for some reason. Can't imagine what about Bernie would make you be really concerned about his perfidious wealth?  bonus lol: CelestialScribe posted:Someone smart tell me whether I should be worried about North Korea readying nukes.
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Oct 16, 2019 10:13
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Breakfast All Day posted:Hi, you are a right wing weirdo.  But also lmao forever.
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#1. Haha yeah gently caress Russia. #2. I wasn't aware there were price controls on tuition? If so then...you completely agree with the point I'm making there? #3. Yeah? If you raise the minimum wage quickly in a low-wage environment, there is evidence to suggest it causes unemployment. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, it just means you need to policy to manage it. #4. Not sure what that view has anything to do with anything we're discussing here, but sure!
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It's been pretty clear for years that acquiring nuclear weapons is the sanest thing for North Korea and Iran to be doing.
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Libya was a huge wakup call for them. If Gaddafi had kept his nukes he might still have been alive and in power.
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“I support the invasion of Russia” is not just hind-brained stupidity, it’s a hind-brained stupidity with bona fides. Kind of impressive, really.
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Gresh posted:this is kamala to me, with amy i feel like she could snap and start throwing binders at any moment This is Warren everytime she talks. I'm serious when I say an important hurdle for every dem candidate is going to be having the right posture to deal with Trump's jock bully persona. Bernie has it, Yang has it, Warren and most of the others do not.
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"I'm not a rightwinger. Now let me explain to you why I support marching east to destroy the Slavic menace that is conspiring to destroy western civilization."
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The Glumslinger posted:I still think we should just give every president 2 Justices per term and switch the supreme Court to having justices on a case randomly picked like we do for federal appeals courts The second half of your sentence is Bernie's plan for the courts. Edit) I cant find the white paper for this. Can somebody help out with a link? IIRC it can be done through Federal statutes. Yadoppsi fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Eschenique posted:Libya was a huge wakup call for them. If Gaddafi had kept his nukes he might still have been alive and in power. He never had nukes, or anything close to it. When he finally turned over all his "weapons" to the brits, he had some barrels of mustard gas that probably were inert. Reagan and co spent so much time hyping him up in the 80s that people believed he was actually a threat, instead of just some random dude who, at the height of his power, lost a war against Chad.
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CelestialScribe posted:I think Medicare for All is good policy. My issue with this thread is that it seems to view anything less than that as completely evil, as opposed to a misguided attempt that still does some good. "I think it's a good thing and also dont actually support it"
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FizFashizzle posted:just some random dude who, at the height of his power, lost a war against Chad. No shame in that, so did Florida
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Oct 16, 2019 12:32
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CelestialScribe posted:I think Medicare for All is good policy. My issue with this thread is that it seems to view anything less than that as completely evil, as opposed to a misguided attempt that still does some good. Anything less is completely evil. With a few exceptions for "unacceptable".
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Unoriginal Name posted:"I think it's a good thing and also dont actually support it" "I refuse to acknowledge any policy proposal other than M4A could be a net positive over status quo because it's not acceptable to position M4A as the best of many options, but rather the only option"
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KingNastidon posted:"I refuse to acknowledge any policy proposal other than M4A could be a net positive over status quo because it's not acceptable to position M4A as the best of many options, but rather the only option" Because any alternative would be just as hard to pass as M4A so why bother spending the effort to pass a a lovely compromise when M4A exists and is incredibly popular?
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Oct 16, 2019 12:45
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kidkissinger posted:Because any alternative would be just as hard to pass as M4A so why bother spending the effort to pass a a lovely compromise when M4A exists and is incredibly popular? If m4a is so popular than why am I saying it isn't
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A public option and price controls could work just as well as M4A (the German system, for example). A public option could also be worthless and effectively banned by law from being any better than private insurance is today (the public option in the House version of Obamacare). Problem is, none of the candidates talking about a public option have given us any details about where it would fall in that spectrum, and it is not a good sign that they either don't understand the details or don't know what they want to accomplish or do know but don't want us to find out before they get elected. (Very odd that the posters who demand endless detail about minutiae like reimbursement rate formulas are seemingly uninterested in whether a "public option" would even be worthy of the name, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation (lol))
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kidkissinger posted:Because any alternative would be just as hard to pass as M4A so why bother spending the effort to pass a a lovely compromise when M4A exists and is incredibly popular? Because it's not a good faith argument to claim any possible alternative would not simply be inferior to M4A, but actually a net negative relative to status quo?
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Gloating Bernie stans seem to assume that an endorsement is necessarily exclusive? Some great tears to be had when AOC endorses Warren and Harris the next day
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VitalSigns posted:(Very odd that the posters who demand endless detail about minutiae like reimbursement rate formulas are seemingly uninterested in whether a "public option" would even be worthy of the name, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation (lol)) Because the existence of a public option wouldn't affect people that do not use that public option -- or at least some amount less than having their current insurance replaced completely. Hope that helps!
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KingNastidon posted:Because the existence of a public option wouldn't affect people that do not use that public option -- or at least some amount less than having their current insurance replaced completely. Hope that helps! This is, shockingly honest of you. Do you think this makes your position look good lmao
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https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1184437891197472769 Here's a video they produced for Ilhan Omar's endorsement. I'm so, so happy to see this.
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Oct 16, 2019 13:13
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KingNastidon posted:Because it's not a good faith argument to claim any possible alternative would not simply be inferior to M4A, but actually a net negative relative to status quo? Spending what little political capital we have to establish a system inferior to M4A would be an overall negative yeah.
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kidkissinger posted:Spending what little political capital we have to establish a system inferior to M4A would be an overall negative yeah. It's also not very ⭐🌟pragmatic💫💖, politically speaking. One of the things we learned from ACA is if you pass a healthcare reform bill, you own all the problems with the healthcare system. Everything bad that stuck around after we passed Obamacare became Obamacare's fault. And nobody gives a poo poo about "  that problem bankrupting you already existed and we made it 1.92% better, you're welcome. Vote for us again because we know how to fix that problem too we just decided not to last time for political reasons"
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VitalSigns posted:This is, shockingly honest of you. What position? I personally think M4A is the best policy. I don't think there's anyone here that thinks otherwise. With that being established, there are endless ways for M4A to be implemented and run. These details are helpful to discuss because anyone that's skeptical is likely so because they don't understand how it'd work in practice. In a simplistic example, someone's personal experience would be vastly different if the per capita spend was $1k or $10k or $20k. If you don't believe this is true then why are there gripes about changes to NHS if a single payer system still exists? Funding matters. Now apply that same thinking to a public option. People that do not believe they'll need to use that public option don't need to care about the details because the perception is that it won't affect their private insurance. Ideally this isn't true, because any effective public option would in fact affect them because it'd put cost pressure on providers (eg drug prices) and have carry-over effects on those still on private insurance. But explaining this to voters is a lot more complicated than saying "If you like your insurance you can keep it!"
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the people mad on twitter own. https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1184311433925971970
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Calibanibal posted:Gloating Bernie stans seem to assume that an endorsement is necessarily exclusive? Some great tears to be had when AOC endorses Warren and Harris the next day Yeah that's not very likely. They will endorse Warren if Sanders drops out but Harris is practically done at this point, she's #4 and dropping.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the people mad on twitter own. Lmao, what an idiot.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the people mad on twitter own. "I never wanted to hang with the cool kids anyway" 
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