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quote:@Ghorron: you are involved now and you will got trouble in your life i promise you . 
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I am physically unable to read 'u' as anything but 'oo' and it makes this amazing
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Oct 16, 2019 12:58
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Mors Rattus posted:I am physically unable to read 'u' as anything but 'oo' and it makes this amazing let the internet help uwu
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Oct 16, 2019 15:59
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Another person taking offence to (in many cases extremely reasonable and politely expressed) criticism of their Kickstarter approach: Advanced Fantasy, an RPG whose designer really wants you to know that it's super difficult.
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Oct 16, 2019 17:10
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...PDF DRM in elfgames. I understand where that concern is coming from but also jesus how do you even enforce that. e: ah the DRM is on the mobi version except for the...legal bits where he says "you cannot alter these PDFs in any way". Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Oct 16, 2019 17:29
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Warthur posted:Another person taking offence to (in many cases extremely reasonable and politely expressed) criticism of their Kickstarter approach: Advanced Fantasy, an RPG whose designer really wants you to know that it's super difficult. Dude is selling a DRM-locked mobi rulebook with secured PDF sheets in TYOOL 2019.
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Oct 16, 2019 17:35
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Not to kick a creator while they're down, but I never even got to the whole PDF DRM thing. In a world where I could back a game with a name like Agon or Lancer or Glitch or loving Voidheart Symphony, why would I ever, ever back a game with a name like Advanced Fantasy?
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Oct 16, 2019 17:37
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A d100 modifier-centric fantasy game with races, trades, traits, and skills and where the unique features are "you get to pick all your stats after a single random roll" and "turn your failed rolls into successes"? Is there a term yet for a fantasy heartbreaker that's a composite of every distinctive fantasy heartbreaker ever conceived?
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Oct 16, 2019 17:48
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CitizenKeen posted:In a world where I could back a game with a name like Agon or Lancer or Glitch or loving Voidheart Symphony, why would I ever, ever back a game with a name like Advanced Fantasy? Despite popular belief, this is actually not a hobby built on imagination.
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Oct 16, 2019 17:50
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"Our game is totally new and fresh and cool and has a lot of unique things, as long as the only other game you know about is D&D." is pretty much the summary of the pitch. Like, getting to make the character you want instead of being at the whim of the dice is just.... pretty much every game that exists now. Even D&D lets you do that. Even 3.5 had point buy!
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Oct 16, 2019 17:53
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CitizenKeen posted:Not to kick a creator while they're down, but I never even got to the whole PDF DRM thing.
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Oct 16, 2019 17:56
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Touted "breakthrough" innovations in game design actually being dated from 1981 (RuneQuest, Rolemaster, etc.) is like the free center space on the Fantasy Heartbreakers bingo card.
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EthanSteele posted:"Our game is totally new and fresh and cool and has a lot of unique things, as long as the only other game you know about is D&D." is pretty much the summary of the pitch. Reminds me of the 7th Sea 2E kickstarter whose pitch was "you can make a real hero at character creation instead of a level 1 wimp!"
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Oct 16, 2019 17:57
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wizzardstaff posted:Reminds me of the 7th Sea 2E kickstarter whose pitch was "you can make a real hero at character creation instead of a level 1 wimp!" Or instead of 'wimp' you could insert 'a 7th Sea 1E character.'
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Oct 16, 2019 17:59
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FMguru posted:Touted "breakthrough" innovations in game design actually being dated from 1981 (RuneQuest, Rolemaster, etc.) is like the free center space on the Fantasy Heartbreakers bingo card. Your armor, shield, and weapons are going to have their own separate HP tracks, and in addition to that all of your statistics are going to be modified by the damage you take. All this in a system 'requiring a minimum of page-turning and reference look-up during play time'. Just imagine the level of bookkeeping involved.
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Oct 16, 2019 18:43
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CitizenKeen posted:Not to kick a creator while they're down, but I never even got to the whole PDF DRM thing. Looking at the blurbs for his totally professionally published works that he links in his KS profile (along with company sites that appear to not work), I would say that creativity is not the author's strong suit: https://www.amazon.com/Kevin-Paul-Tracy/e/B00FK5GMMU Edit: Oh man, I clicked the "read more" on the first one. I take it back, he's the most creative genius ever. "Greatest phone sex operator ever turns into a secret agent" is a genre that's going places. Desiden fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Oct 16, 2019 18:46
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But it's "complex and challenging"! ...Yeah, I think any game that tries to pitch that it's difficult to play as a selling point is probably best ignored.
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Oct 16, 2019 23:47
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Nuns with Guns posted:Is there a term yet for a fantasy heartbreaker that's a composite of every distinctive fantasy heartbreaker ever conceived? "Advanced Fantasy"
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Oct 17, 2019 02:13
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Desiden posted:Looking at the blurbs for his totally professionally published works that he links in his KS profile (along with company sites that appear to not work), I would say that creativity is not the author's strong suit:  I really considered removing the borders but that would have impacted the artistic integrity
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Oct 17, 2019 08:00
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quote:Oh, I plan to cancel the Kickstarter, but not before everyone has had a chance to get their shots in. The Advanced Fantasy guy does not seem especially receptive to any sort of feedback.
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Oct 17, 2019 12:36
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quote:I have a broad community of creators, including game designers, and not just RPG games. Many of them were watching my Kickstarter to see how such things go. And almost every one of them agree, after seeing mine, that Kickstarter in NOT the way to go about generating buzz for a project. It has devolved, as I say, to little more than most social media sites - a home for trolls but very few nice people. "I have a broad community of creators, many of whom were watching to see how well this hammer could screw in these screws, and almost every one of them agree, after seeing me try, that a hammer is NOT the tool to use."
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Oct 17, 2019 12:45
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It's strange because he admits himself that he's trying to squeeze into a niche completely subsumed by D&D, and this is a passion project for him that he doesn't expect to profit off of. On a practical level people are going to want to see specific ways you're not D&D, especially if you're clearly making a rules-intensive game that you promise is challenging and complex. Sure, a lot of people just want to laugh at that, but actual interested parties already have several stacks of D&Dalikes and you're going to need to prove in clear ways why you deserve to stand out.
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Oct 17, 2019 12:47
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Classic "I'm not owned, I wanted this actually" behavior in response to criticism for something he legitimately missed noticing from being so close to production of his work for so long.
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Oct 17, 2019 12:53
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This isn't the first time I've seen a request for any sort of mechanical description taken as a demand for free poo poo. I'm curious where that sentiment comes from.
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Oct 17, 2019 12:55
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Nuns with Guns posted:It's strange because he admits himself that he's trying to squeeze into a niche completely subsumed by D&D, and this is a passion project for him that he doesn't expect to profit off of. On a practical level people are going to want to see specific ways you're not D&D, especially if you're clearly making a rules-intensive game that you promise is challenging and complex. Sure, a lot of people just want to laugh at that, but actual interested parties already have several stacks of D&Dalikes and you're going to need to prove in clear ways why you deserve to stand out. This reply of his is in response to a comment of mine where I actually tried to give him as good advice as I could because unlike Ed Trice I have no idea if this guy is a MAGA chud, just someone who radiates pure heartbreaker energy with a soupcon of Angry Facebook Boomer thrown into the mix, and I asked him straight-up what his "challenging and complex" fantasy RPG is going to bring to the table in a hobby where Burning Wheel, Glorantha, Ars Magica, Fragged Kingdom/Aeternum, Spellbound Kingdoms, or any number of other games which could be described as complex fantasy RPGs exist, despite his assertions that the hobby is all about simplifying and streamlining. His only response to that was to huffily say that he's "familiar with most of those" without going into any further detail. Like, it's not even about "hey give us something to laugh at," he's literally asking people to pay him ten grand for a game that seemingly only exists in his head. Nobody in 2019 is gonna throw money at a project like that no matter what it is.
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Oct 17, 2019 12:55
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Kai Tave posted:The Advanced Fantasy guy does not seem especially receptive to any sort of feedback.
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Oct 17, 2019 14:13
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Flail Snail posted:This isn't the first time I've seen a request for any sort of mechanical description taken as a demand for free poo poo. I'm curious where that sentiment comes from. People think that making a good game begins and ends with coming up with a new rule gimmick, and if they give that away what else do they have? Not production values, gm advice, and definitely not precise communication of those rules and how they work.
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Oct 17, 2019 14:39
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Kai Tave posted:Like, it's not even about "hey give us something to laugh at," he's literally asking people to pay him ten grand for a game that seemingly only exists in his head. Nobody in 2019 is gonna throw money at a project like that no matter what it is. His 'Avatar card' doesn't even make any sense for the minimal '1987 called and wants its systems back' description of how the game works.  It just makes no sense, on so many levels.
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Oct 17, 2019 14:50
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What gets me is how adamant he is about giving away anything about the game. He "answered" some questions in the KS video, but it's all so vague as to be meaningless. He mentions there's a default setting, but all he says about it is that it has 13 gods and that the PC races are the normal high fantasy spread plus goblins. He even says flat-out that he wasn't planning on making any money. Really this feels like someone who's dealing with people who aren't his rl friends seeing his work for the first time and doesn't know how to deal with it.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:30
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The very first thing any game like this has to answer is “why should I pay you for this instead of playing Ars Magica, which I already own?” I mean you can pick your own game to be in that question but it should be Ars Magica.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:42
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dwarf74 posted:"Actually I didn't even want my kickstarter to fund" Um, clearly the plan was to build hype by not providing any information about the product.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:42
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Mors Rattus posted:The very first thing any game like this has to answer is “why should I pay you for this instead of playing Ars Magica, which I already own?” Ars Magica is always the wisest course.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:50
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dwarf74 posted:"Actually I didn't even want my kickstarter to fund" "You fools were all just part of my experiment game of 12D Kickstarter chess.'
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Oct 17, 2019 15:57
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Kai Tave posted:Like, it's not even about "hey give us something to laugh at," he's literally asking people to pay him ten grand for a game that seemingly only exists in his head. Nobody in 2019 is gonna throw money at a project like that no matter what it is. Right, like, I'm open to more well-done fantasy RPGs with higher-complexity rules, but nothing about the barren descriptions he's given about his game makes it sound like anything besides another chum bucket of dry house rules. If you need to launch a kickstarter to figure out the public response for vague promises of yet another guy's 30 year old take on D&D is "Meh." then maybe that should be your sign that you need to pull back and explore a lot more about game design.
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Oct 17, 2019 16:38
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DalaranJ posted:Um, clearly the plan was to build hype by not providing any information about the product. It's true, nothing gets me more hyped for a new game than seeing no one willing to back it on kickstarter. Kai Tave posted:This reply of his is in response to a comment of mine where I actually tried to give him as good advice as I could because unlike Ed Trice I have no idea if this guy is a MAGA chud, just someone who radiates pure heartbreaker energy with a soupcon of Angry Facebook Boomer thrown into the mix, and I asked him straight-up what his "challenging and complex" fantasy RPG is going to bring to the table in a hobby where Burning Wheel, Glorantha, Ars Magica, Fragged Kingdom/Aeternum, Spellbound Kingdoms, or any number of other games which could be described as complex fantasy RPGs exist, despite his assertions that the hobby is all about simplifying and streamlining. His only response to that was to huffily say that he's "familiar with most of those" without going into any further detail. Not sure if he's MAGA either, but with his book series on a totally awesome sex line operator turned spy, I'd guess he's at minimum a creeper. And give even odds that the character is based on some real phone sex operator he's in love with.
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Oct 17, 2019 17:17
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Desiden posted:Not sure if he's MAGA either, but with his book series on a totally awesome sex line operator turned spy, I'd guess he's at minimum a creeper. And give even odds that the character is based on some real phone sex operator he's in love with. Looked up one of the novel synopsis and I am just rolling. The Lucifer Strain posted:When a young graduate student is betrayed by a most trusted professor and mentor, injected against her will with the most insidious genetically engineered virus ever created, she calls on Lainie Parker for help. Once again, Lainie plunges into danger, this time in a race against time, dodging overzealous Federal agents, evading a fanatical cell of Canadian terrorists, and fleeing ahead of a deadly wheelchair-bound assassin, not only to save her friend’s life, but to find a way to prevent the spread of a programmed plague that, if released, will erupt into the world’s first pan-global genocide. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Oct 17, 2019 18:01
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Honestly, that sounds like a Markov bot read only David Foster Wallace and the ghost-written Tom Clancy novels.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:07
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Canadian terrorists? He's writing a story with the FLQ?
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Oct 18, 2019 03:01
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He was clearly writing about the Canadian Ninja Syndicate.
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