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Opening arguments podcast has it right, the argument the administration is making is that “if it is known it cannot be a crime or punishable as one.” If you get caught in trial then it is a crime.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:"If we're so guilty, why would we have admitted to being guilty?" I honestly think this is their strategy. They legitimately think it will work and I'm horrified that it could
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Oct 17, 2019 18:36
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So when trump hosts the g7 hes going to invite Putin and spend the entire time talking about how Putin should be involved. Meanwhile Putin sits there like a smug bastard who loves that not only does he control the president of America, but that everyone knows but for some reason nothing is done about it.
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LegendaryFrog posted:So Pence's negotiation response was to say "stop the violence, and we agree to force the kurds out of the territory you were trying to capture?" not just that, the kurds need to leave all the weapons they'll need to resist the next turkish invasion behind
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Oct 17, 2019 18:37
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SKULL.GIF posted:Betraying an ally and then demanding that they withdraw and surrender to their enemies is poo poo that guarantees the total death of American foreign influence for the rest of this century. So there IS a silver lining... good
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its not a cover up if we admit it all. Oh my god, I think you stumbled across their masterstroke defense. All they remember from Nixon is 'Its not the crime, its the coverup.' So they're just not going to cover any of it up. Checkmate, libtards! Edit: goddamit beaten several times. InsertPotPun posted:They took the phrase "it wasn't the crime it was the cover-up" to it's logical extreme: as long as they don't cover up their crimes they'll be untouchable! It's like NOT whistling as you leave the scene of the crime, police caught on to that LONG ago! Oracle fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Neo Rasa posted:1) WHAT THE gently caress lol gently caress Ben Garrison Like what, like in showing more emotion than "grumpy Grandpa" and "attempt to look involved"?
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Bel Shazar posted:So there IS a silver lining... good Except we're just gonna get replaced by other lovely imperial nations
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I'm sure the founders a;always intended for there to be different rules for different presidents. Yeah they LAST guy couldn't commit crimes...
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cochise posted:I honestly think this is their strategy. They legitimately think it will work and I'm horrified that it could It's going to come down to how willing Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are to wield the power that they have and to get out in front of the American public and start driving a narrative. (It is certainly not a roll of the dice that I would willingly choose to make.....)
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'm as dems bad as anyone but is there power to wield? it's never happened before but can they lock people up using the sergeant at arms even if they wanted to? it's not like doj is going to do their job even if the dems raised holy hell i'm pretty sure at this point these people can just ignore subpoenas forever. we're pretty much in a de facto dictatorship now.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1184883525234941953 Edit - apparently theres confusion as to whether this is a 5 day ceasefire or begins 5 days from now.... Correction to the unofficial news circulating in Turkey: Erdogan -Pence agree to suspend the incursion **in** (not for) 120 hours
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Oct 17, 2019 18:40
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We will never see Mick Mulvaney again.Slashrat posted:So basically Pence has manage to convince Erdogan to give the kurds 120 hours to genocide themselves out of the region before he resumes doing it himself. Nice going, horsefucker. After putting them in an incredibly vulnerable position we just negotiated to Kill Them Faster. Good job cool dudes!
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Who says they are satisfied? uh you and the fact that you're telling anyone who is unsatisfied with the department that they're being totally unreasonable  "but they're trying" no they're not dude, this happened because they ignored all the recommendations the community made the last time something like this happened this isn't just one cop's fault, if he goes to jail that's the bare minimum, and I'm not going to be impressed until chief resigns over this at the very least VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Okay so they've now admitted to committing a textbook impeachable offence on live TV, guess Trump will be removed accordingly and we will have a new acting POTUS come Monday right
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Oracle posted:Oh my god, I think you stumbled across their masterstroke defense. All they remember from Nixon is 'Its not the crime, its the coverup.' So they're just not going to cover any of it up. Checkmate, libtards! well i also think trump and his morons left and do his crimes legit don't think its a crime.
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theflyingorc posted:Very few subpoenas have actually been ignored So what's been consequences for ignoring subpoenas so far?
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https://twitter.com/NicholasDanfort/status/1184886393602019330 SO yeah, Turkey gets 5 more days to grab everything they can, and then the remaining Kurds have privilege of merely being exiled from their homeland The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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theflyingorc posted:Very few subpoenas have actually been ignored they;re going to subpoena more powerful people as this goes on and those will be ignored. and like PJ said there haven't been consequences for them being ignored thus far. the fact they have to go to court over things that are inarguable (treasury HAS to give them trump's tax returns) does no bode well for the future.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:44
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I mean at this point, a lot of people are just frustrated at Democrats too for simply refusing to wield the power given to them, just like they've done in the past. What's even more frustrating is the fact that they pretend they're wielding it. What in the gently caress are you even talking about? This impeachment inquiry is moving at lightning speed compared to the past.
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A Good Point https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1184884810826878977?s=20
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well i also think trump and his morons left and do his crimes legit don't think its a crime. yeah I think part of the problem is that the Republican party has spent so long saying that Nixon got railroaded for something everyone does anyway, that eventually people dumb enough to believe the bullshit made it to the top of the party and they just think what they're doing is normal and isn't really a crime
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The Glumslinger posted:Except we're just gonna get replaced by other lovely imperial nations yea but those nations can, ultimately, be walked to by the imperialized so they're more likely to have some chill
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Oct 17, 2019 18:47
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Prester Jane posted:It's going to come down to how willing Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are to wield the power that they have and to get out in front of the American public and start driving a narrative.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:48
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The same as how Trump's 2016 run circled heavily around "her emails" and Bill's treatment of women while Trump degrades and molests women all the loving time and used an unsecured email system when he was in loving office. Republicans are cultists, that's all you need to know
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Oct 17, 2019 18:48
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lol the administration is waiving all the sanctions they just put on turkey as a result pence got absolutely taken to the loving cleaners
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Oct 17, 2019 18:49
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theflyingorc posted:Quick, name the speaker of the house and Senate Majority Leader during the Nixon impeachment. Carl Albert and Mike Mansfield. I did that without looking it up, honest to God--and your point is quite valid. Neither of these guys was heard from more than a few times over the course of a two-year investigation in any capacity. The power lay in the hands of the special prosecutor, Judge Sirica, and Sen. Ervin--they're the ones who really drove the pace. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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evilweasel posted:lol the administration is waiving all the sanctions they just put on turkey as a result Don't forget Pompeo!
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VitalSigns posted:yeah I think part of the problem is that the Republican party has spent so long saying that Nixon got railroaded for something everyone does anyway, that eventually people dumb enough to believe the bullshit made it to the top of the party and they just think what they're doing is normal and isn't really a crime the cancer that started with nixon(and goldwater) has fully eaten their brains.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:50
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theflyingorc posted:Very few subpoenas have actually been ignored the only testimony subpoena i can think of that got ignored, by a non-executive branch official, was rudy. he needs to be made an example of first, but there's now the problem of getting to him before SDNY does, and that he might plead the 5th however the executive branch has basically rebuffed all document requests that said mick just obviated the need for a lot of those.
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The Glumslinger posted:I unironically hope the other world leaders refuse to go I hope they do refuse. Either change the meeting place or refuse to go and blame it squarely on Trump trying to make a buck
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Oct 17, 2019 18:50
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1184880390932176898 "If there is no quid, you must ac-quit!"
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Prester Jane posted:So what's been consequences for ignoring subpoenas so far? The only subpoenas that have been ignored are subpoenas for documents, not subpoenas to appear and testify. If someone ignores one of those and nothing happens, then yeah, I'll jump on the nothing matters bandwagon.
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theflyingorc posted:Quick, name the speaker of the house and Senate Majority Leader during the Nixon impeachment. Leadership is not about being remembered for doing the right thing at the right moment, leadership is about stepping up and doing the right thing at the right moment. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are the ones who wield the power in the Democratic party right now, and how they choose to wield (or choose to not wield) that power will determine how this all plays out.
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I'm sure Trump could provide them with enough hot air.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:53
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tbf Schumer is completely powerless, a condition which suits him quite well
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lol they're gonna spin 'we got Turkey to agree to 'let' the kurds 'evacuate' their homelands and allow Turkey to fully take over Kurdish land' as a win and the media doesn't know enough about this region to call them on it.
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aspenneedsoxygen.com is free guys, quick let's get a Kickstarter up.
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evilweasel posted:that said mick just obviated the need for a lot of those. After what that dipshit just said at the podium, we don't really need anything more from the white house, other than a desire to be thorough with lots of nice neat paperwork. The house just needs to talk to a few more people willing to come forward, yell at each other on the floor for a while, and vote. They'll be finished in November.
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