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Sarsapariller posted:Star Citizen is 100% invisible in the wider world of video games at this point Yeah the sum total of people who regularly follow this mess, including the cultists and the hundred or so goons laughing at them is in the low five figures. It’s a subset of a small group of a niche far removed from mainstream gaming. Citizen “influencers” like Montoya with his sub 5000 view videos want to believe that SC is on the tips of gamer’s tongue as they wait for Chris to save the industry, but it’s been almost universally written off as a scam and then forgotten about. The 3.0 debacle killed off almost all of the mainstream interest.
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Doc M posted:I honestly don't know a lot about Star Citizen except that it's a vaporware clownshow, so I came here to figure out what was going on with the DF video. I thought DF was better than this. Yeah, I ended up unsubbing from their channel over this because I won't be able to take anything they say seriously now. Pretty incredible for a group of people who seem to pride themselves on doing deep analyses of games.
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Sabreseven posted:The whole vid is full of stupid stuff like this, it's almost as if they are trying to bedazzle with unimportant details so that no one notices that they talk very little of actual useful gameplay mechanics or the gameplay itself. That’s Star Citizen in a nutshell commando. Beyond some pretty graphics which are themselves becoming pretty dated now, there really is nothing but the corpse of a broken CryEngine mod and a bunch of half-baked ideas left to rot on the vine. It’s why everyone shilling it just goes on about the fidelity and/or some far off fever dream of what it might be someday with unlimited dev time and money. I don’t subject myself to it nearly as much as Sarsa, but I do give it a fair shake every free fly; and after 7 years and 300 million dollars it’s literally orders of magnitude behind indie games being worked on by a half a dozen people in a garage. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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i'm being bullied on resetera for implying that star citizen isn't perfect this is not ok, gamers
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Bubbacub posted:It's weird how certain buzzwords just go out of vogue. I haven't heard them say "refactor" or "subsumption" in a while. Wait until you hear "refaption".
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Oct 17, 2019 21:02
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Colostomy Bag posted:Judas. A paint ship jpeg concept. I think the spot price for 30 ounces of silver is currently around $526, so CIG would likely sell it for $529 plus tax (warbond, fresh cash only). 
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Oct 17, 2019 21:11
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There's all kinds of crazy under that vid
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Oct 17, 2019 21:13
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Regrettable posted:Yeah, I ended up unsubbing from their channel over this because I won't be able to take anything they say seriously now. Pretty incredible for a group of people who seem to pride themselves on doing deep analyses of games. Pixelate posted:There's all kinds of crazy under that vid
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Oct 17, 2019 21:16
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Inacio posted:i'm being bullied on resetera for implying that star citizen isn't perfect That’s weird the last thread I checked in on there was overwhelmingly negative.
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MarcusSA posted:That’s weird the last thread I checked in on there was overwhelmingly negative.      there's a few sensible posts though
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Oct 17, 2019 22:09
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I wonder what tech achievement he's talking about, though. Being so unoptimised that you can't play a fairly bog-standard game without the latest silicon kind of goes in the opposite direction…
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Tippis posted:I wonder what tech achievement he's talking about, though. Being so unoptimised that you can't play a fairly bog-standard game without the latest silicon kind of goes in the opposite direction… Hinting at never-done-before tech is standard Star Citizen operating procedure, and it starts right at the top. "Never done before" the citizens cry as Chris, Erin, Hobo and the rest show just enough petticoat to get the marks thinking there's something new and exciting about what they're seeing or are about to see. Say just enough to keep the idiots spending. You probably couldn't use the misleading marketing stuff to make a case stand up in a court of law, I mean who hasn't heard of bullshots in the games industry amirite... but still, it's patently fraud, using tried and tested techniques to lead the saps to assume that there's more to it technology-wise than there is, or ever can be in what is effectively a Crysis mod.
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Tippis posted:I wonder what tech achievement he's talking about, though. Being so unoptimised that you can't play a fairly bog-standard game without the latest silicon kind of goes in the opposite direction… I think he's talking about the part of the video where he shoots a ship, and the texture for the shield appears to be about 16x16 pixels. SC is getting so old that it honestly looks average to subpar in a lot of areas.
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I log in every 3 months and have never seen any of these issues!
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Oct 17, 2019 23:20
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confirmed Hater and Non-Believer. next
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Calling it "Next Gen" in your shill video and getting the Cult fired up over how some failed Crysis mod from 2011 is the future of games is pretty hilarious. We're about to enter the third console generation since SC began, and there are games on consoles today (especially on the PS4 pro and Xbox One X) that look better. SC doesn't even support HDR or Ray Tracing and a huge amount of its assets stick out like poor pixelated thumbs in 4K. There's nothing about it that is graphically impressive in late 2019. I mean it looks better than most MMO's, but since it isn't even a functioning MMO and most of the rest of that benighted genre are horrible cash grabs made in Chinese sweatshops or are half-defunct crowdfunded pipe-dreams, that isn't saying much. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Terminally Bored posted:Eurogamer/Digital Foundry is advertising SC now: "And since it's in alpha, getting quarterly releases you can expect to see some bugs"... Oh, gently caress off with the tired shill defense. Yeah, it's amazing, this 7 years pre-alpha is getting regular "updates" but gets nowhere near being finished, but it's all fine, see, because of all the following technical achievements: - erhm - ah...
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Sabreseven posted:"If you look down the barrel, you can actually see the bullet being chambered"
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Terminally Bored posted:Eurogamer/Digital Foundry is advertising SC now: gently caress this video is just so much tremendous bullshit that its aggravating. It might as well be a video that CInotG put out.
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Inacio posted:confirmed Hater and Non-Believer. next I'd be surprised if he doesn't just copy paste that same generic text without bothering to read any of that.
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AbstractNapper posted:I'd be surprised if he doesn't just copy paste that same generic text without bothering to read any of that. with how much they say he probably should. then again Citizens aren't known for making good use of their time or resources
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Pretty clear that it's just a mega shill who happens to work at Digital Foundry. Unfortunately channels like that desperately need new content to keep engagement up so I'm assuming editorial oversight is pretty minimal. It's a shame as they are normally fairly objective and care about performance above all, which makes it extra weird they went full-on THIS IS AMAZING in the video.
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colonelwest posted:Calling it "Next Gen" in your shill video and getting the Cult fired up over how some failed Crysis mod from 2011 is the future of games is pretty hilarious. And in the grand scheme of things, graphical fidelity is way, way down on the list of things that provide immersion, enjoyment and the elusive ‘fun’ component. Some of my most enjoyable experiences have been in games that look like dogshit, or are turn based, or exclusively use NATO symbology. Some of my most ‘meh’ experiences are the call of duty’s; i buy them because occasionally a mildly interactive MICHEAL BAY cotton candy experience is what I crave for around a dollar per hour. They’re my gaming cheeseburger. I’ve personally found that really good folio and music make a game fair more than the visuals; Bastion owned for the narrator. I gush like a schoolgirl on the subtleties of Elite Dangerous’ SFX and there are some legit timeless tunes out there. But gameplay is king. Always will be, and there’s literally nothing about SC that makes me want to fire it up. I just can’t fathom gamers in 2019 paying upfront for things that have no fixed capability, in a game with no fixed systems, for hundreds of dollars that *can actually be bought in game*. Even as pay to win, if you take Ci!G at their word, the average backer is paying for a fleeting advantage during the twilight of immersion MMOs. I can’t wait to kickstart the expose. Edit: idea: see if i can get Sandi for my RomConCom treatment of the story. Zach Galafanakis for Chris.
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colonelwest posted:Calling it "Next Gen" in your shill video and getting the Cult fired up over how some failed Crysis mod from 2011 is the future of games is pretty hilarious. It's "Next Gen" labeled because the next generation of humans will still be waiting for it to get into an actual Alpha state and not 'pre-alpha'.  Tbh it is actually a next gen game, but only if you compare it to games that released in 2007/8, I know the citizenery would jump all over me on that statement, but rip away the graphics and special effects and it would be an unbearable slog into the very depths of the worst kind of terrible design.IronicDongz posted:escape from tarkov has (beyond)that degree of gun simulation, but that's a game that is specifically going for milsim gun nut stuff instead of being a spaceship game that also happens to have a billion other features in it The funny thing is, SC as it stands currently doesn't really have that many features, certainly no where near as many as they want. The features it does have, are dull, tedious, buggy, ill conceived, poorly implimented, and on occasion, completely at odds with the general design idea, like cave mining by hand (in an apparent huge game where you can do anything, yes I'll pick lovely crystals and turds up with my fingers lol) is dull micromanagment of an unnecessary grind, it's 900 years into the future, where are the mining drones to do the nasty hand work, if they can fit a mining laser to a ship then they should be able to fit one to an RC hoverthingy.  Hehe went off on a bit of a feature rant there
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I'm the people who are shocked that Digital Foundry which focuses on technical details and dreams about the future of gaming had a terrible take on Star Citizen.
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Hav posted:And in the grand scheme of things, graphical fidelity is way, way down on the list of things that provide immersion, enjoyment and the elusive ‘fun’ component. Some of my most enjoyable experiences have been in games that look like dogshit, or are turn based, or exclusively use NATO symbology. Some of my most ‘meh’ experiences are the call of duty’s; i buy them because occasionally a mildly interactive MICHEAL BAY cotton candy experience is what I crave for around a dollar per hour. They’re my gaming cheeseburger. Think about how many people aren't like you, and base their judgement of quality purely on looks. In dating, in movies, and yes, in some games too. There are definitely SC backers that truly believe SC is great 100% because it looks good and don't care about anything else.
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https://twitter.com/ItsHoje/status/1184959428539273216
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Things can only be bad when they directly affect me. Everything else is always good.
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Terminally Bored posted:Eurogamer/Digital Foundry is advertising SC now: Digital Foundry shits all over games for dropping a few frames here and there, but here they're happy to kiss SC's rear end and go so far as to say "its perfectly fine that the game requires an NVME SSD to run at higher than 5 fps!" what the gently caress
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Looks like the marketing engine is firing up bigtime. SOMETHING BIG IS COMING.
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Zaphod42 posted:Digital Foundry shits all over games for dropping a few frames here and there, but here they're happy to kiss SC's rear end and go so far as to say "its perfectly fine that the game requires an NVME SSD to run at higher than 5 fps!" Well, in their defense, though they don't really bench PC games cause different setups provide different results, and there's no proper baseline to test with. Normally they do deep dives into how games on different consoles stack up against each other and maybe vs ultra graphics on the PC.
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I don't get all the hate DF is getting, its just more  for me.
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no_recall posted:Well, in their defense, though they don't really bench PC games cause different setups provide different results, and there's no proper baseline to test with. Normally they do deep dives into how games on different consoles stack up against each other and maybe vs ultra graphics on the PC. Uh, benchmarks with frametime analysis is one of the main things they do in their videos.
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Like, they specifically do it in a lot of the videos where they're showing how the visuals stack up on different consoles and their PC ports. e: Here's one from a week ago where they test Epic vs. Steam versions of Arkham Knight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia0s959QMew Regrettable fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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