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Lone Goat posted:If they brought back Hali Ford and Sierra Dawn Thomas, Chelsea has a pretty decent shot Those two at least made the merge, though. There have only been a handful of players brought back who were originally pre-merge. I think Francesca, Wentworth, Colton, Michaela, Russell Swan? And most of them had a hook or story to bring them back. Chelsea doesn't really have anything other than 'surrounded by slightly inept players'.
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You can add Caleb from Kaoh Rong to that list as well, similar circumstances to Russell Swan. I don't know about the latter but Caleb was def somebody Jeff liked, as were Hali and Wentworth, so I think that plays a large role in the process. In any case, Molly seems like the more interesting player to bring back in terms of thus far S39 early boots. Maybe it was just the edit, but Chelsea didn't come across as particularly compelling. And speaking of interesting players, I'm actually coming around on Jamaal. He was a prick early on (still sort of is) but he at least has some self-awareness, and his charisma is kind of off the charts. I don't know how that will translate to in-game success though. It's going to be really hard for him to fly under the radar. Vernacular fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Yeah, Chelsea's just kind of a cool fan (judging by some of her responses): You didn’t get to find out about what the titular Island of the Idols really was until after the game. From a superfan’s perspective, what was your reaction? (Laughs.) I found out from Vince when I first got back to Ponderosa. I was like, “Are you [expletive] kidding me?! This is what our season is! I’m barely going to get any airtime, and now I’m really not going to get any airtime!” As a superfan, I was like, “drat, I wish I would have gotten to meet them!” (Laughs.) But from a player perspective, I thought it was cheesy! (Laughs.) So she's kinda neat. But I don't see her being high on the 'come back' list.
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IcePhoenix posted:I think he's actively trying to get people to not take the first offer so they can learn the lesson about negotiating but it's not going so well. The problem I'd have with this is that there's really no way for the player to know that they could negotiate a better offer, unless there is something to that effect and we're just not being told about it. It's like... if Jeff offers a reward at a challenge ("Worth playing for?")... beyond the very first season, no one has ever been like, "Nah, I'll pass, what else can you offer, Jeff?". How is someone supposed to know that they can reject Rob's offer and negotiate for something better? He improved the offer when Kellee hesitated, but it wasn't a negotiation as much as him just trying to get her to take it by improving his offer.
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Sand Monster posted:The problem I'd have with this is that there's really no way for the player to know that they could negotiate a better offer, unless there is something to that effect and we're just not being told about it. I hope next season when Jeff asks "worth playing for?" someone especially Rob or Sandra DOES come back at him. "What else ya got?"
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Sand Monster posted:The problem I'd have with this is that there's really no way for the player to know that they could negotiate a better offer, unless there is something to that effect and we're just not being told about it. They're not but you could also just be smarter and not take the ridiculously bad first offer.
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IcePhoenix posted:They're not but you could also just be smarter and not take the ridiculously bad first offer. My point is, how do they know that the deal would be improved if they say no? There's nothing to suggest that the offer can be negotiated. For all they know, if they reject the first offer, Rob and Sandra tell them, "fine, go back down to the water and get in the boat and head back to your camp". Faulting people for not negotiating when, again, we're shown nothing to suggest that negotiating is possible, is odd.
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Sand Monster posted:My point is, how do they know that the deal would be improved if they say no? There's nothing to suggest that the offer can be negotiated. For all they know, if they reject the first offer, Rob and Sandra tell them, "fine, go back down to the water and get in the boat and head back to your camp". Faulting people for not negotiating when, again, we're shown nothing to suggest that negotiating is possible, is odd. To be perfectly clear I am generally faulting them for taking the incredibly bad initial offer even under the assumption that there is no negotiation.
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This last offer was super dumb but I would absolutely have done the sneak into enemy camp thing just because that's loving rad
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I think calling it "negotiating" is the wrong word because it implies the player is doing things more proactively than what's really going on; it's more like Let's Make a Deal where they up the cash offer if you choose to take the door instead of the cash. No reason the player shouldn't say "no" if the odds aren't in their favor or the reward isn't worth the risk, and the host sweetening the deal after the player says "no" is pretty standard game show fare.
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Karishma is taking the first possible chance to flip. No idea why they think she's an easy boot later.
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Negotiating is somewhat unprecedented but so is being given a choice by a live person to do X for Y If you're in an unprecedented situation, you can't lean on the excuse that no one has reacted a certain way to that situation before
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I don't really remember Kellee negotiating, she just seemed to actually pause and think about it, so Rob made a better offer. Noura said "Yes" as soon as Rob offered anything, then she even said "Yes, whatever it is" after that.
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Wasn't one of the reasons they voted out Vince over the showmance dude because they wanted to keep strength around for the next challenge, something that was entirely unnecessary in this weeks challenge?
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TMMadman posted:Wasn't one of the reasons they voted out Vince over the showmance dude because they wanted to keep strength around for the next challenge, something that was entirely unnecessary in this weeks challenge? I think the main reason behind getting rid of Vince was it was an easy vote that alienated at most one other player ahead of a presumed swap. If the girls plus Vince took out a different guy there wouldn’t be any reason for the other guys to stay with them in a swap tribe. Granted, if that was their logic they should have hit Karishma this time, but  showmance
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Dugong posted:Regarding Season 40: Least exciting people always win the All-Star Seasons... except Jeremy, I guess. Spoiler spoiler, they're apparently going for the title "Winners at War"?
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curiousCat posted:She literally said "I'm not here for a showmance" though Yeah, and all the other players saw her say that on TV and voted her out anyway. What the gently caress, right? Elphiem posted:The editors are really trying to pull the rug out from under the audience this season, all the strategizing they show at camp gets reversed at the vote, they shows us everyone disagreeing with Aaron and Missy's plan, and then out of the blue everyone is suddenly on board with it at the vote. Jeez, they've never done this in editing before. Why did they start doing it this season? The nerve.
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I guess it's been like this for a while but it seems like "GOTTA BREAK UP THE POWER COUPLE IN THE FIRST FOUR EPISODES" is really the cliche marker of bad early play.
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I think its like the perfect combination of "easy target" you can sell to the rest of the tribe and "I'm a smart player who knows the game" for the individual to convince themselves they're making a key move and playing well.
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Rick posted:I guess it's been like this for a while but it seems like "GOTTA BREAK UP THE POWER COUPLE IN THE FIRST FOUR EPISODES" is really the cliche marker of bad early play. For some reason this season has been this way. Everyone is like we gotta play like it's the final 7 even though it's day 3.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:For some reason this season has been this way. Every season. At least the past dozen.
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In defense of making big moves early, in the last 4 seasons the winner has been untouchable because of idols and immunity from like Final 7 on, so if you're settling in with a longterm alliance you better be pretty confident you can either out-idol/challenge them or can handily win a jury vote against them. In that respect, I don't really mind Missy aiming for a smaller goatier alliance than the bigger normal people alliance. I *do* still think it's weird Elaine/Elizabeth refused Dean but caved for Chelsea.
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A goat is only good if they're your goat. Karishma is going to flee the flock as soon as the gate's open.
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Yeah, protecting a goat this early makes sense if like you have a real connection there and have been cultivating the relationship. But that doesn't seem like something Missy has done with Karishma. Karishma basically knows her alliance hates her and sees her as expendable. Unless the show's just been editing out a lot of "...except Missy, I trust her" comments then Missy just seems cocky and reckless to assume the goat can be her goat this early.
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Especially after Missy went out of her way to give Karishma a little "not so fast, you aren't off the hook yet" talking-to at TC. What even the hell was that? I guess just catering to her tribemates (Tom, namely) who wanted her punished somehow?
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It throws off Dean and Chelsea.
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Was it really necessary/worth further ostracizing a sensitive ally-by-default? The whole practice of treating Karishma like a lame duck alliance member is foolish no matter how you spin it. Bring her on board or don’t, don’t half-measure it.
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STAC Goat posted:I don't think that's really the issue here, though. Its not that people are surprised by how the vote went, its that Missy's strategy went from "vote out Brett to get back my sorority sister" to "vote out my sorority sister" all because for some reason she decided the easy vote she betrayed last vote was a valuable goat. It was also weird how she went out of her way to poo poo all over her second vote at tribal Edit whoops there’s another page here AdmiralViscen fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Vernacular posted:Was it really necessary/worth further ostracizing a sensitive ally-by-default? For now this is just fanfiction but it could very well be the case that Missy's anti-Karishma rant at TC was pre-planned with Karishma. Karishma didn't really seem to react all that negatively to it (although she also did seem to genuinely think she was going home, so who knows).
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I think Missy's 'you play to win the game' comment might have helped explain the move. At the end of the day Karishma just doesn't seem to have the fight in her that she'd need to actually win the game. It might make sense to take out someone who could possibly win over you later rather than the goat that will never win over you
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I kind of took Missy's scolding of Karishma as just yet another case of how much that tribe really, really hates Karishma and can't stop themselves from treating her with contempt. She got a little happy and confident and basically just took the usual Jeff "scrambling has to be good for you, right?" prompting so they had to knock her back down. I'm really curious to see how new tribemates react to Karishma because like, I can see how she's annoying but that tribe REALLY dislikes her and I want to see if that's more them or her.
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I don't think they've shown us anything even approaching behavior deserving the treatment she is apparently getting There have been violently obnoxious shitheels on other seasons that were treated with basic dignity (arguably this season too)
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I'm hoping for one of those situations where the tribes swap and all of Karishma's tribemates are like "she's the worst, we hate her" and all the new tribe mates are all "I don't get, she's a little much but seems perfectly nice" and then Karishma excitedly votes out one of her old tribemates with her new friends. All while Rob and Sandra sit on the side making wisecracks. "Maybe they shoulda been nicer to her." "Hmm hmm. That's what you get for being an rear end." STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 20:09
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Sandra’s one liner about Blindsides was funnier than it had any right to be.
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Got around to catching up on this. The first thing that jumped out at me about the first IoI challenge was that it could have gone either way. She loses to Rob? The lesson is ‘don’t take risks.’ She wins? The lesson is ‘take risks.’
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I'm sure this will bring some joy to the folks in the thread. 
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Is the funny that he’s pinching pennies?
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Zesty posted:Is the funny that he’s pinching pennies? I read it that he's trying to be a loving scalper
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Huh. I guess. It wouldn’t even occur to me to do something like that with toys. Ripping off parents trying to do something for their kid. Fair enough. We already knew he was a shitheel so it tracks. He’s a landlord too.
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