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ilmucche posted:There's a few that hang on for second tier decks. 3 mana lili is still around, I've seen a few gideons, and sorin solemn visitor and the elspeths see some play in tokens. WOTC doesn't have a good record of successfully theorizing how impactful major shifts in design will be in any format, let alone Modern where there's lots of toys to play around with. Still, I'd rather they take chances and experiment like they did with the WAR planeswalkers every once in a while than not.
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I can't judge too much since I lean on tokens and our planeswalkers are poo poo, but I saw someone talking about buying the enchantments that give -1/-1 to all token creatures because of urza and that scares the poo poo out of me.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:03
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Modern pre WAR: big Karn, JTMS, LotV, big Teferi, Ugin, Tezzeret Agent, Gideon AoZ, Kaya, Chandra ToD, Jace VP, Saheeli Rai, Lili Last Hope, Nahiri. Modern WAR and later: Karn the Great, W6, 3feri, Narset, non-meme Ashiok, Oko, trigger Saheeli, Scions, Biggest Chandra
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Oct 18, 2019 23:22
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Basically to be Modern playable and a Planeswalker you either cost 3 (or "3") or you're really goddamn strong at 4 (or "4")
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Oct 18, 2019 23:30
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Biggest Chandra is the only exception to that. I guess it's uncounterable? Big Gid also used to see some play before getting pushed out by Big Tef.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:37
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6 mana Chandra is brutal in ponza lists because she came come out turn 4 with ramp and guarantee 1 damage a turn as a an 8 loyalty walker, then build from there.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:52
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Big OG Gideon and Elspeth, Sun's Champion were playable in UW Control before Jace and Teferi were printed. I still like having 1 Elspeth in the side. Koth was the only PW in Skred when that was still a deck.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:53
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GoutPatrol posted:Big OG Gideon and Elspeth, Sun's Champion were playable in UW Control before Jace and Teferi were printed. I still like having 1 Elspeth in the side. 4 mana Elspeth would be a house if she didn't wreck any intangible virtues that were on the field. 5 mana Elspeth is great against any deck that depends on life loss considering you gain a stupid amount of health and can generate 3 tokens worth 6 health every other turn.
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Oct 19, 2019 00:04
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Sleigh bells for the arena commercial slaps Telephone hanging up noises when no one has a phone like that anymore doesnt slap
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Oct 19, 2019 01:20
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Pretty obvious they're going for that 80s stranger things vibe.
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Oct 19, 2019 03:32
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Lost to a deck with 2x Revenge of Ravens and I'm pretty sure I don't want to draft this format anymore, at least for a few weeks. That was... very off-putting.
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Oct 19, 2019 03:58
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I don't mind Revenge of Ravens as much as every other match being the mill deck. The adventure mill spell should not cost U.
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Oct 19, 2019 04:02
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Mat Cauthon posted:I don't mind Revenge of Ravens as much as every other match being the mill deck. The adventure mill spell should not cost U. I've heard that's an Arena thing because the bots are so bad. Are you talking about Arena or real life? No one had the mill deck at my 25 player FNM. Incidental mill yeah, but nothing dedicated.
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Oct 19, 2019 04:18
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It's an Arena thing, the bots just pass all the key cards and make it easy to pick up the pieces. If you can get a Vantress Gargoyale or that Folio spell it's just nigh unbeatable.
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Oct 19, 2019 04:26
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You can do a UB mill deck in paper, blue and black both have high value control spells at common, but it's egregiously bad on Arena, because bots don't usually pick secret keepers, reave souls and reapers of midnight.
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Oct 19, 2019 04:38
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Mat Cauthon posted:I don't mind Revenge of Ravens as much as every other match being the mill deck. The adventure mill spell should not cost U. Sometimes you play against both though! I didn't play ranked limited for a few seasons and I made it up to Diamond in relatively few drafts by trying to jump into aggro when possible. B/R has been by far the best -- primarily due to its access to menace. The raise dead effect at 2 also helps, though it can be tricky to play since you kind of don't want to try to use it as a value card and get your poo poo milled again. I've generally been waiting to see 3 of merfolk before trying to find an opening for it. Access to a billion reave souls also helps if you adjust your normal sense of priority and more frequently target the 0/4 merfolk when they play it out. It sounds odd but since so many of these decks run Run Away Together with a low creature count I've stranded a good amount of them in hand. And if they play anything actually threatening you've probably already built a good enough board such that they can't attack. My best B/R decks that didn't have above average amount of useful rares have been built around the combo of knight and non-human synergies. I've found R/W to be second best, W/B third and Selesnya not too good at all. The go wide enablers are too clunky. No idea about R/G and I guess there is theoretically some sort of B/G aggro adventure deck out there but I've never seen it. I've still been losing to U/B with Ravens and mill though so, you know.
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Oct 19, 2019 04:39
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I'm reasonably sure they pushed Revenge of Ravens to make the aggressive decks mainboard enchantment removal, but whoops, turns out if the aggressive decks have to mainboard enchantment removal they can't reliably hit the critical mass of fast clocks to kill the control decks. This would still be less problematic if its mana cost was appropriately restrictive, in a format all about color restrictions. Why it isn't 2BB or even 1BBB is beyond me. e: also wicked wolf is hilariously overperforming at the MC because nobody is playing black for epic downfall, which totally obliterates it and is great against a lot of other creatures in the format...except nissa lands, hydroid krases, voracious hydra, food elks, the entire knights deck...maybe epic downfall is bad actually e2: yet another conflating factor in green's dominance is that questing beast is one of the only creatures in standard that can profitably close out a game once the golos field player starts making zombies. the other is...hydroid krasis. ungulateman fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 05:25
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Sickening posted:Questing beast should just be able to destory a planeswalker when it deals damage. Easy, change the rules so Deathtouch applies to planeswalkers too.
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Oct 19, 2019 07:32
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And because the drafts are independent everyone can force mill and end up with a good deck. Forever Young is a very good card at the moment in arena, and it's in the best colour (it's good in mill too lol)
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TheDemon posted:Easy, change the rules so Deathtouch applies to planeswalkers too. agreed
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Oct 19, 2019 09:20
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Here is a mini article and 11 decks for the Eldraine event. I had the Izzet Pyromancer deck minus 2 royal scions. It's pretty sweet when all the pieces line up. Only played a few games though. B/G seems super strong if you've got the cards. https://mtgazone.com/eldraine-constructed-event-guide-and-decklists/
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Oct 19, 2019 09:39
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You can't force mill on Arena. You can force mono-blue but it will not necessarily be a good deck. Secretkeepers do not show up often enough. Either the bots have been adjusted or people are exaggerating, I've been drafting non-stop for days.
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Oct 19, 2019 10:26
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If hogaak is cast from the graveyard and countered does it go to the top of the graveyard or does it stay in the same place?
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Oct 19, 2019 12:32
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ilmucche posted:If hogaak is cast from the graveyard and countered does it go to the top of the graveyard or does it stay in the same place? It goes to the top of the graveyard. When you cast it it moves to the stack, then goes back to the graveyard when countered.
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Chadzok posted:You can't force mill on Arena. You can force mono-blue but it will not necessarily be a good deck. Secretkeepers do not show up often enough. Either the bots have been adjusted or people are exaggerating, I've been drafting non-stop for days. You only need like 2 secretkeepers plus card draw and loads of recursion/removal. It doesn't have to be mono blue, UB and UG both work well. Lucky Clover does make the deck a lot better though, without that I'd probably try and pick up some flyers in packs 2 and 3 for an alt win con.
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Brownhat posted:It goes to the top of the graveyard. When you cast it it moves to the stack, then goes back to the graveyard when countered. Yep. But if it were a card with an ability like "X: Put this into play from graveyard" then the card wouldn't go on the stack, and wouldn't move to the top. The "Cast" is the word doing the heavy lifting here.
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The mill deck was also better when everyone was drafting BG grindfest decks with multiple Revenge of Ravens, since they wouldn't be putting you under any sort of pressure and you could mill them out at your leisure (unless the hit Forever Young) Now there are a lot more aggressive decks out there so pure mill is a much dicier proposition.
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For me the moment I see them holding up constantly for the mill counterspell I just avoid playing cards and using a minimal clock to make them waste their turns When their main defence is 0 4 s you can often just throw out 1 threat a turn with mana. Up and wait as well, either they burn the counter or you make them waste all that mana by using that threat. It's boring as hell though tbf
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Oct 19, 2019 16:03
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Great feeling to think you're free to play revenge of ravens into their enchantment removal because you have drown in the loch only to have it countered by the cost reduced mana leak that I literally never see played until now: a deck that runs two of them.
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mystical dispute is an okay maindeck card that really shines when you run into an opposing mill deck, because it lets you protect your folio of fancies (or whatever other unbeatable bomb you have) from the opposing didn't say please.
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Oct 19, 2019 16:49
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Lmao Williams blasting arena and wotc
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born on a buy you posted:Lmao Williams blasting arena and wotc ???
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Oct 19, 2019 17:51
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https://twitter.com/dwpoker/status/1185377609552556033?s=20 Tl;dr: he got a game loss r1 for submitting is _preliminary non final deck list_ 15 minutes late. Then had a game restarted due to crash when opponent was dead on board next turn. Lost the restart because the draws were different.
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born on a buy you posted:https://twitter.com/dwpoker/status/1185377609552556033?s=20 15 minutes late 2 weeks in advance, so they could iron out any potential card interactions. WotC digital 
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David Williams deserves all the blame for the late submission, but having to restart games is terrible. This must be why WotC is showing the games on a delay to make sure they don't show any crashes on stream.
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Oct 19, 2019 18:19
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How are you going to do a digital tournament for cash when the possibility of computer error is there lol Surely if Wizards is running this thing they should be able to set up or restore custom board states in case this sort of thing happens, right?
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Oct 19, 2019 18:28
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C-Euro posted:How are you going to do a digital tournament for cash when the possibility of computer error is there lol lol
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Oct 19, 2019 18:30
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Williams is and always has been a bit of a diva. He taints the narrative with the whining about the decklist penalty, which is 100% on him.
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Oct 19, 2019 18:30
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That 'should" was a "must" until right before I posted that lol
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Toshimo posted:Williams is and always has been a bit of a diva. He taints the narrative with the whining about the decklist penalty, which is 100% on him. I just enjoy the idea that they need it two weeks in advance so they can make extra sure that particular card combinations don't blow up the client on camera. Off camera? Meh, who cares.
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